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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
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This is my predicament too.

What am I without my perceptions? If Chaol is so aware that he is creating his perceptions, then doesn't he have some kind of awareness as to what his beingness is as well? Or, is he only aware of how he creates them and that's it.

And, why did he say there would be a split where each would go its own way in infinity. If this is true, who decides this? To me, Chaol is stating there is some kind of power beyond him or else he is capable of making that split happen.


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Sorry, wasn't logged in. That's ^^^^^^^^^^^ my post.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
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Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
 Quoting: Unit3


Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 12/04/2012 09:39 PM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
 Quoting: Unit3


Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf
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You freaked me out when you changed it again, LOL! And, I was scrolling down and you were looking right at me, hehe! I'd say either photo is fine.

I've thought about this being generated here and now. Maybe this is the only perspective I have and included my birth, going to grade school, high school, etc:, death of relatives, presidential elections and Ad infinitum, right now and seeming to be in the past.

But, there are still many things in my perspective which I would not choose to have in it and have felt many things have happened outside of my control.
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That was awesome Jesse. Reminds me of chaos genie story.
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
 Quoting: Unit3


Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




You freaked me out when you changed it again, LOL! And, I was scrolling down and you were looking right at me, hehe! I'd say either photo is fine.

I've thought about this being generated here and now. Maybe this is the only perspective I have and included my birth, going to grade school, high school, etc:, death of relatives, presidential elections and Ad infinitum, right now and seeming to be in the past.

But, there are still many things in my perspective which I would not choose to have in it and have felt many things have happened outside of my control.
 Quoting: Unit3


Yea (sorry) lol
5a

I think "choice" is another one of those funny words. You choose, but not from the infinite possibilities out there. You "choose" from the decision set dictated by the current interaction within the logic of the now. Ya know? That which takes the least energy and all that.

What if the "matrix" had it right? What if you had everything you could possibly want, exactly the way you want it and completely throw any kind of logic out the window? What if you disbelieve the illusion completely? That'd render it irrelevant to you. Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective.

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.

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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.
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Chaol has said that he prefers to avoid this topic. Apparently it makes him uncomfortable. Im too lazy to scan for quotes... Lol.

But kind-of disbelief is still kind-of belief, so its all good.
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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.
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Chaol has said that he prefers to avoid this topic. Apparently it makes him uncomfortable. Im too lazy to scan for quotes... Lol.

But kind-of disbelief is still kind-of belief, so its all good.
hf
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Interesting. Well, when Chaol gets back, it's going to be great to see what he says about our discussions, that's for sure.

After all, isn't he creating 2 different worlds merging in his perspective? heh!
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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!

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A must read:

[link to www.erowid.org]


from the book:
The Doors of Perception
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A must read:

[link to www.erowid.org]


from the book:
The Doors of Perception
by Aldous Huxley
1963
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I didn't read the whole aticle, but looked through it enough to realize today, I'm finding this kind of thinking everywhere and in accordance with mine.

I posted about it here today:
Thread: Ponderings about waking up and relations...

but didn't go into the rest of my thinking. I don't think that is really the place to get the ball rolling on the biofeedback software I am looking for. It's just a place to plant a seed as far as I can tell.

Anyway, the machine that has caught my eye is iNDIGO. Their blurb:

"The most advanced and comprehensive energetic medicine device on the market today, the INDIGO, is an auto-focusing biofeedback device used by qualified practitioners to evaluate underlying stressors in the body. The INDIGO asseses the levels of stress held in the body by measuring the frequency signature of the cells. This revolutionary modality is based on quantum physics, which recognizes the vibratory nature of the universe. We are essentially made up of no more than information-loaded particles or waves! Using a cybernetic, auto-focusing, feedback loop, (much like an auto-focusing camera lens) the INDIGO reads, corrects and harmonizes aberrant frequencies in the body/mind."

The man behind it is Dr. Bill Nelson and I know he has many associates helping with the programming. Here's an faq which I think is revealing as to what the machine is programmed for.....even though they advertise it for better health.

[link to thequantumalliance.zendesk.com (secure)]

I'm thinking Dr. Nelson might be induced to include opening doors to perception for specialized software. This might be especially true if I use a GENIUS, heh!


Edit: I remember reading about some guys that tried peyote that had aged for something like 7 years. They reported they were all quiet for about an hour or so after taking it and just sat, quietly contemplating their minds opening up. When it was all over, each felt he had new understandings and it opened their minds. (I know this article is talking about using a chemcial instead of the peyote but it's still physical.)

Here's what Chaol says about using substances:
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 18)

Poster says: "we use something called psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe cubensis is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience."


Chaol replies: "Sounds interesting, but neuronics is entirely within your mind.

If you use a physical means to influence something that is inherently non-physical the experience will be entirely different.

You will, in effect, not experience the non-physical but the properties of "psilocybe cubensis" itself. Your experience is a property of what you are using to experience it.

You are not, therefore, influencing your neurons. Your neurons are becoming psilocybe cubensis. If you are comfortable with this then by all means..."


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Look what I found:

THE TESLA SHIELD™

Powerful And Advanced Transformational Technology For Mind Body And Soul.


[link to www.lifetechnology.org]


Edit: Just found they have an Eye of Horus Tesla Shield

"THE TESLA SHIELD™ EYE OF HORUS VERSION 1.0 @ $1999.95. Incorporates Upgraded Internal Componentry PLUS Hyperspace Radionics Function PLUS 12 Specially Selected Precious Gemstones Chosen For Their Therapeutic And Metaphysical Properties: Diamond, Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, Amethyst, Lapis lazuli, Garnet, Turquoise, Quartz, Opal, Aquamarine, Topaz."

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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!
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Don't resist what is experienced.

Your symbol is exactly where it needs to be to make the next logical step with the Genius.
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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!
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Don't resist what is experienced.

Your symbol is exactly where it needs to be to make the next logical step with the Genius.
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OK, it makes sense not to resist what was experienced. By putting the symbol back on the patio, I was trying to resist. I think I should make a new symbol in a new space for that Genius. That would be the expanded Genius.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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In a dream last night, for the first time ever, I caught myself considering what I was going to play with in my daytime perceptions.

There were a series of pictures the size of postage stamps or thumbnails, each of them detailed with colorful activities layered one on top of the other, so that there was a depth to the picture. I understood that none of them would become fully alive until I chose one to experiment with.

Each stamp evoked an essence. A value.

I woke up just enough inside the dream to listen in on the discussion I was having with myself over one possibility called "joy". I was actually talking myself out of it! How could I question the experiencing of joy?

There were many others too, like an entire scenario involving the value, "duty", or the value "full comprehension", all represented within a picture the size of a postage stamp.

I fell back asleep, so I don't know what I chose. Time will tell, I guess.
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In a dream last night, for the first time ever, I caught myself considering what I was going to play with in my daytime perceptions.

There were a series of pictures the size of postage stamps or thumbnails, each of them detailed with colorful activities layered one on top of the other, so that there was a depth to the picture. I understood that none of them would become fully alive until I chose one to experiment with.

Each stamp evoked an essence. A value.

I woke up just enough inside the dream to listen in on the discussion I was having with myself over one possibility called "joy". I was actually talking myself out of it! How could I question the experiencing of joy?

There were many others too, like an entire scenario involving the value, "duty", or the value "full comprehension", all represented within a picture the size of a postage stamp.

I fell back asleep, so I don't know what I chose. Time will tell, I guess.
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Very interesting. The pictures layered one on top of the other really catches my attention. That's how I see life/perceptions are...an infinity of layers, nestled within one another.

Yes, can't imagine talking self out of joy. But hey, maybe sleep self talked you into it, heh! Thanks for sharing this.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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Makes me think of or own layers of illusion, how they fill our perspective.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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I would like to mention that I am seeing strobing effects much more often. I don't know if my eyes are screwed up or if I am simply more aware of this notion of light pulses, but I am, without a doubt, seeing them a lot, both with eyes open and with eyes shut.

One other thing I would like to mention, because sometimes it is brought up much later on and I go, "oh yeah! I saw that!", is these flashes of light that I see continuously in a blue, cloudless sky.

Do you know how sometimes, while you scan the sky with your eyes, that you'll see something from the periphery of your vision and when you go back to look at it more closely, it is a jet way up high, or a bird, or a loose balloon or something?

For the past five months or so, I am seeing these flashes of light in the sky, but when I go back to look at them, they fade into nothing there. I thought I was just "seeing things", as if my vision was messed up, like floaters in my eyes or something. But, these flashes of light are so real and I see them so often, that I want to report that I am definitely seeing something. They are like bursts of bright white light or sometimes golden light, and they have the shapes of spheres.
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Yes, can't imagine talking self out of joy.
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In trying to recall what my argument was, it seems that a scenario involving "joy" in waking life, would also include a degeneration into "not-joy". One goes with the other.

There was also a sensation that "joy" could be had at any time, but that I wanted to work on something with which I was less experienced. Challenges, I suppose.





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