Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Sure I feel real.

My real thoughts and emotions from my higher self (Love) is real but other then that I believe life is an illusion.

Spirituality is the process of proactively discovering your

personal connection with the Creator, from a path of inner seeking. It is a self assessment of your own thoughts,

attitudes, and beliefs, the ability to consciously close off some of those things you have previously accepted and open yourself to new spiritual concepts.

This is known as spiritual advancement.

When a person is willing to learn and apply the principles of divinity in their life, they have spirituality evolved. Divinity helps you outwardly perceive the love and compassion in others,

you recognise that each person is a spiritual being and understand that each person are at different levels of spiritual growth.

When you incorporate divinity as an integral part of yourself and begin to externalise this “Christ” energy, the very nature of your reality changes.

Anyone remember Chaol saying we'd probably not be using the internet by last december?

Thank you.

Aren't you aware you are real because of consciousness?

Chaol says consciousness does not exist. So, what are we? I can buy into a non-physical being, a spirit, dark matter...but all with consciousnesses.

Has he actually said he doesn't like his world as much as ours?

Agreed. However, Chaol says not to seek enlightenment. I gather he does not believe in Divinity.

Maybe the question is what is divinity?

Yes, he said this just before he left. A new poster asked him quite a few questions about his world. It's not too far back in this very thread.

Thanks, I'll look for it

Chaol doesn't refer to spirituality or divinity. He focuses on perspective, of course. And, as Unit points out, he says there is no consciousness, just perspective.

I found it and also rememberd another question I have. If Choal creates his perspective, why does he need a nexus point to travel back and forth between worlds? There is something I'm no understanding (or Chaol isn't) about our perception creating powers.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 218)

How is there perspective without consciousness?

Not exactly how I remembered it but, even so, I didn't expect to still be posting like this by now.

Thanks,, yes, he says he prefers living in this world.

And, re your above question.... maybe the nexus points simply allow him to make use of available extra energy.

It's a concept similar to (or the same as) Solipsism.
Here's a description: [link to www.iep.utm.edu]

I was referring to my username as a means of communication on this forum, which leads to the discovery of new values in my perspective.

There's a chunk of posts in this thread where Chaol describes the loneliness of existence, as you create everything you perceive. I think it was in June.

Basically, a prop and symbol are the same, just like an event and a relationship.

In truth, Chaol sometimes contradicts himself :)

Sorry....I missed this post until today.

Isn't the stillness of your cellular suicide a perspective you have created?

The guy just posted on his blog that he is a disgrace to the human race, so I don't think he is enjoying his simple life.

His dates have been off before. He will be back soon now and answer these questions, heh!!!!

Where does the extra energy come from if not his perspective? The way he talks about it, it seems it's something he has to take advantage of that is beyond his total control. Iow, he has to hitch a ride to speak to something that is happening beyond his control.

Right. I get all that. Everything we see,feel, hear......we create, including our body. My question is: who is creating the perspective? What are we? And how do we create perspective without consciousness?

Apparently it is not created, it is discovered through experience in the way most logical with the least number of interactions.

Discovered by whom, Jesse?

Discovered by the observer. You, that point of awareness.

From my understanding, unity with the observer is the enlightened state. However, it seems to me Chaol is saying not to chase enlightenment, but learn how we create our perspective. What's the difference or is it just language?

And, how does an observer explore perspectives without consciousness? The website says consciousness does not exist.

Thanks.

@Marshwiggle. In the example you gave of Chaol contradicting himself, he can't really say he is an alien because our worlds are merging.

He must also be very human looking if he can hang out in our world on the streets and not have black ops. show up, LOL!

So, I would say the term human is appropriate with the understanding that we are quickly moving away from physicality.

I don't think he's ever described himself as an alien lol!

What I meant was he says 'we are not human' then he says his girlfriend knows him to be human.
Confusing!

Why do you think this is true? If there is only one observer (perspective) you, then "unity with the observer" is all you ever experience.

Other "people" are (as I see it) representations (of yourself) that you experience in the "second person" or "third person". You directly experience and observe only in "first person".

Consciousness in the way we define it, exists only in the way these bodies exist or the computers we are using to post to this site exist.

As I see it, consciousness is a buzzword used to define that set of relationships that define a self-correcting-feedback loop we see in ourselves and others. It's a software program, a user interface for the "observer". But since nothing Truly exists, we can pick any word or topic and say it doesn't exist and be right... I just don't think we really understand this concept of existence anyway.

If we don't really understand what it means to say something exists, we can hardly say something doesn't.

We can use other buzzwords like "nothing", "illusion" "simulation" or "dream" but... it's all the same. A rose by any other name and all that.

We know that we're experiencing "this", whatever "this" is. Now whether this is "real" or not is not relevant, it's real enough. I don't really see it being all that useful to see our experience as an illusion.

It seems to me that it's more useful to recognize that our experience within perspective is exactly what takes the least amount of energy (number of interactions) to experience with the logic (we perceive ourselves confined to) and the possibility space we have for it to play out.


Oh, and have you seen this one by Campbell?


Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 12/16/2012 06:40 PM

It makes sense that we only observe from the first person.
So do you feel I am a representation of you? (That would make you a representation of me so I don't see how this works.) Or is there one being seeing itself as many?

How can you say nothing truly exists? Do you feel you do not exist? How can there be an observer if nothing exists?

Do you feel Chaol has complete control of all of his perspectives?

Thanks for the conversation. I like exploring these thoughts. I'll watch the video, thanks!

I thought I'd better start over reading Chaol's posts and look what I just found:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Everything truly exists. Like I mention above, When something cannot be fully perceived, it appears infinite.

Our language also enables us to perceive these alternate realities, if we want. One alterate realm is this one.

You exist in multiple realms now, at every moment. You could traverse hundreds of thousands of different possibilities in one day without knowing it.

So most of those bold statements are my understanding (before I met Chaol) of myself as spirit.

Edit: Found a contradiction:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

I think Chaol believes in universal law.


And this poster asked Chaol how could there not be consciousness....Chaol asked him what consciousness is to him. Here are both their answers:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)



Last Edited by ERE3 on 12/16/2012 09:04 PM

I forgot about this:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

chaol says:


"It is interesting to me to see how it is assumed that cultures "obsessed" with entertainment and celebrity must be devolving.

We are learning how to use our minds more abstractly through fantasy. It doesn't matter what the fantasy is. What matters is that we are creating relationships that did not previously exist in our cognitive framework. Our fantasies are becoming richer. These kinds of mental exercises will lead most of us into a world based on mind rather than physicality.

Here's Chaol explaining consciousness:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)


"It was that consciousness is more about relationships between things than being fully aware of something.

One cannot be fully aware of anything. Consciousness is more of an illusion of the senses.

There is only "mind" and "senses" when one considers the influence of physically-based thinking.

It is not as easy to illustrate this when we're attached to the meaning of the words, having no others available.

It's all about perspective. Within perspective you could say there is consciousness, mind, senses, etc. But it is not the same as what we're used to."


Edit: Here we go:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 3)

"We create representations to 'define' our self all the time. It is this group of representations that create the world you see. (Ecsys defines consciousness as the relationship between representations.)"

And look at this:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 3)

"Can you explain the timing of your appearance in our world/ Why now and why on this forum (or have you appeared before)?

Does it have anything to do with the upcoming shift of this sphere to Fourth Density?
Quoting: Blake


Hello!

I'm a part of this world so thus interact accordingly, visiting websites, sipping drinks, and walking about.

I've not before been on this forum so am curious as to why my posting ID is lower than most others.

It is possible that other perspectives of mine have visited before. But I'm pretty sure I would know about it (kind of similar to knowing what your sister would do in a situation, except the sense is more vast)."

So this part about Chaol's other perspectives brings up a question.....we have more than one perspective!

Verrrry interesting. This doesn't sound like another self in another timeline.

Last Edited by ERE3 on 12/16/2012 10:28 PM