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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Seth, The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 312

"Now. To arrive at any real understanding of human personality several prerequisites must be met."

"For one thing, you are not dealing with one linear self. The self is indeed multidimensional, and the driving force behind the self does not reside in the ego or in what you refer to as the subconscious."

"Any such divisions are of course arbitrary to begin with. Practically speaking a self can be defined as an energy gestalt whose perceptions are organized under the auspices of apparent identity. The more of reality that is perceived the large the dimensions of the self, or identity."

"Now I mean this literally. Reality is on the one hand the product of perception. On the other hand that which is, is always present as the basis for any perception. That which is perceives itself, you see. The unitary self is basically an illusion and yet individuality is no illusion."

"Diversity is a necessity even for that which is. To some extent, that which is must always be lost within itself. Lost in a multiplicity of numberless selves. The selves are self-directing units, however. As you know there are no limitations to any identity. The limitations are illusions. And yet the extent to which the illusions are shattered represents on your level the sparks of the expanding consciousness."

"Until this is realized your psychology will raise more questions than it answers. The basis for all experience is depth perception and value fulfillment. The self organizes data basically in a manner that psychology has not found. The organization of such data is not simply the result of preadulthood tendencies, inclinations or experience. Such tendencies are highly colored by previous existences, by past lives and this prehistory, existing as the electromagnetic property of the whole self, is the blueprint which is followed by the structure of the chromosomes."
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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
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This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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Chaol wrote about this:

9/19/2012
Whatever you miss you will experience at an other time.

Whatever you don't choose will choose you later, in some way.
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a poster tells about the new pope.....2/17/13



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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
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This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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Chaol wrote about this:

9/19/2012
Whatever you miss you will experience at an other time.

Whatever you don't choose will choose you later, in some way.
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 159)
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THANK YOU! Found this in the same post:


"That is the only battle that will ever be, and is not really a battle at all.

If you don't wish to see everything else as you you have all of eternity to redecide.

1, 5, a thousand, or a billion years... it does not really matter.

Eventually you will know that you can only perceive of what is you.

And that is the only purpose of anything that exists. To point the finger back at you long enough for you to see it."




I'm glad to finally see Chaol's perception on things.....
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I'm glad you went to the link and read the rest of that post. It is all very educational!

I am reading some old print-outs this morning, and came across some further points that seem to respond to questions you've asked lately, U3.

The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 175)

______________________

And here is the post for the Expanded Perception Exercise. Good stuff!

Though we are only at the beginning of what you may call the 2nd level of Ecsys, what we can do is apply what we have learned in new ways.

I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.
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Seth, The Early Sessions - Book 8 - Session 337


"There are deeply hidden areas of human behavior far below the surface of actions, and these cause actions. They are psychic exchanges.

Before the beginning of any war, subconsciously each individual knows not only that a war will occur, but its precise outcome.


Battles like other physical acts exist first in the mental realm.

When this realm is peaceful there are no wars.

All of your physical activities, from the political to the economic and to the most insignificant individual concerns have their origin in mental existence, and their outcome is known.

To create a harmonious inner existence is a positive act with far-reaching effects, and not an act of isolation.

To desire peace strongly is to help achieve it.

To accept war helps prolong its physical existence. These are not idle words nor are they meant symbolically.

Wars are not only disruptive within your system, but cause some severe repercussions for individuals who die while in battle. The seemingly small episode of last evening presented in miniature the basic attitudes that are behind aggressive acts.

There is a short-circuiting process in which even good intentions are distorted and turned to other purposes.

That which is feared is feared so strongly and concentrated upon so intensely that it is attracted rather than repelled.

The approach should not be fear of war but love of peace;
not fear of poor health but concentration upon the enjoyment of good health; not fear of poverty but concentration upon the unlimited supplies on your earth.

Desire attracts but fear also attracts. Severe fear is highly dangerous in this respect and in this context."



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I'm glad you went to the link and read the rest of that post. It is all very educational!

I am reading some old print-outs this morning, and came across some further points that seem to respond to questions you've asked lately, U3.

The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 175)

______________________

And here is the post for the Expanded Perception Exercise. Good stuff!

Though we are only at the beginning of what you may call the 2nd level of Ecsys, what we can do is apply what we have learned in new ways.

I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.
 Quoting: Chaol

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 175)
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Ha! Both those links you posted are on page 175.....I posted a link to page 175 on my blog because there is great material there.

I'm glad to follow your train of thought. You've helped me many times! hf

I'll read your links after lunch.

I have noticed that I have a hole in my thinking on perceptions.....so I'll be studying the basics again until I get this. I jumped in with both feet and overlooked something. Heh!

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What you are looking for friend is a bridge, more like a rainbow bridge.
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Secrets of the Rainbow Serpent Flute Goddess

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any idea when is Chaol coming back?

thanks
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any idea when is Chaol coming back?

thanks
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Did he ever leave?
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His last login was 2/11/13.

I understood him to say he will be gone longer this time. I don't think he really indicated when to expect him back, though.

I miss him!
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XWon.....I found something for you (from the old website...thanks OTR):



[link to web.archive.org]



"Should You Get Stuck

There are methods we can use to evolve a model or parts of a model. This is most useful if we are 'stuck' trying to think of what to do next. Following is such a method. It is not necessary to follow the same path as laid out below. You can "jump in" anywhere you are having difficulty.





If you have 1 element only, use #...
As Used in Example: X
Ion to evolve the structure and measurement...
2 — Axon to change Ion

rules and guidelines evolved via Internet
3 — Chaon to repel Ion

hold weekly web conference regarding X
5 — Elementon to solidify Ion

create a web app based on rules and guidelines, and for metrics
Axon to evolve the potential energy...
3 — Chaon to express Axon

allow others to interact via web app
5 — Elementon to increase Axon

create dynamic avatars in web app for users which represent X
1 — Ion to focus Axon

create new rules for web app and users using app.
Chaon to evolve the interactions and associations...
5 — Elementon to capture Chaon

evolve representations to include personal media such as videos and photos
1 — Ion to attract Chaon

create rules and structure to limit network interaction in X community
2 — Axon to expand Chaon

Network effects could expand to any IP-enabled device such as mobile phone
Elementon to evolve the representation...
1 — Ion to clarify Elementon

develop rules and guidelines for X. How can it be measured?
2 — Axon to enable Elementon

provide PE to rules and guidelines. Put them on the Internet.
3 — Chaon to grow Elementon

allow others to add and respond to rules
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I guess I'll study this to see if it can give me clues as to what happened with my Genius. The Genius was working great....lots of coincidences......and bringing in the desire.......and then, all of a sudden, the exact opposite happened!!!!!

Now, I feel really cautious about using a Genius. I have another and don't know if I want to continue or not! The only thing I can say is it I know they work....I just don't really understand all the elements yet!
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soo...lemme get this straight, if i decided to stay in the perspective world of my dream, i would have to recognize it as not a dream, but as reality? while im in the dream. and my existance always has been and was whatever reality i'm in.....
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Hi.

Perhaps what you perceive is not based on a decision but on a process.

There is no 'staying'. You are always experiencing one continuous perspective.*

Both the waking and dream world are equally-valid realities, as are other worlds.

However, in this world you don't really know how to come to experience or perceive of anything, and so have no control over it.

Things just happen to you. And this makes it feel like you are separate from your perceptions (i.e., separate from the things you perceive).

*To answer your question, the physical world is actually part of the dream world. Both are realities, but the physical one is temporary and unstable. "Waking up to reality" entails knowing that you areyour perceptions and can experience any reality you wish if you understand how your reality comes to be. It means being aware of what reality actually is.
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Nice!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^
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<<<<The view is not negative. It's an observation on how money has been set up in this system.

Money is abstract. However, when we think of it as concrete then we have lost perspective. (In the classical sense, losing perspective would be called 'sin', but that's another story. It's not that being rich or loving money is bad or negative in the big scheme of things. But when we don't know that's it's a symbol we get confused.)>>>>


Perhaps this is what I was picking up on. I think you're saying money confuses and that's a problem.
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Yes, for example. Working for time (being paid for their time, as most people do) constrains their wealth and leaves people thinking that money is something real and solid.

Being paid in a more abstract way, not per hour or year (for example, like an author or license-owner) leaves one with a more accurate depiction of money-as-symbol.


Most are confused by the nature of money so money becomes a big issue.

<<<<Using money with Ecsys is not an issue. It's encouraged, as it's a useful symbol. It's used everywhere (high interaction).>>>>


So why not charge for your material or is that where it's leading up to? (I'm glad you don't, making it free means it's more accessible and credible, but that's just an opinion.)
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Ecsys and neuronics information will always be free. There is no reason to charge for this information. I think that being 'free' more people can have the opportunity to know about it and access it.

Any future physical book will be provided free or at-cost and also have a free downloadable counterpart.

We may also provide physical neuronic devices in the future, also for free.

It's already difficult material to understand. No need to make it less accessible by charging for it, I suppose.
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Like it!!!!!
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Chaol does God exist, by your new way of thinking?
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Hi.

Many of us have come to understand it as a process rather than a perception.

We believe that it cannot be perceived, and has no form. Thus, no name.

When something cannot be perceived exactly, the illusion appears infinite.

Some of us still believe in God (in the classical sense) because they're comfortable with attaching a certain kind of form to the idea. This makes it easier for them to think about and relate to.

Most of us believe in the 4 forces, which is the process of how everything seems to be. This is not "God" per se but simply the process of the illusion, or perception.

We have also attached forms to each of the 4 forces (not what you see on the website, however) in order to remember, relate to, and identify with them better.

Nothing truly exists because what is true is that which cannot be perceived and is beyond existence. Truth does not exist because existence is irrelevant to it.

Non-existence created an illusion so that it could relate to itself. From that came the illusion of existence and consciousness. From that relationship came a third, fourth, and so on.

Each illusion fluctuates in order to maintain balance. The balance is whatever expends the least amount of energy. It constantly gravitates to that point, if you will. This enables the illusion of movement, progress, whatever.

So then we have what seems to be a never-ending universe of things, ideas, etc., from these constantly-changing relationships.
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Very interesting. I don't know why he says truth is beyond existence???
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For those of you interested in prophecy, try to pick up a copy of the Doomsday 1999 AD by Charles Berlitz.

The reason he wrote September 17, 2001 as the terminal date for the world is because the world started to change after "9/11"

It is the moment when your world and the dream world collided.

In 1981 he wrote:

"While remembering that this is an interpretive prophecy mainly after the fact, it is still intriguing to observe that certain modern events appear to have been indicated in advance... the gallery measurements apparently indicated critical events that corresponded to World War I, World War II, the Atomic Age, and crucial events of the 50s and 70s. But the measurements - and history itself - seem to break off in 2001."

What does this mean?

As Ecsys.org notes:

the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging. Lives will change dramatically, strange phenomena and events will become commonplace, dreams will be more real than ever before, psychic ability will increase and spread to the general population, and many people will be quite confused. The day will come when you must decide which world you want to be a part of. The dying, physical world or the real world?

It would have happened regardless of what happens on Sep. 11 2001.

2011 - 2013 is the zenith.

It is the point when the dream world emerges.

Plainly-speaking, it is that which has been prophesized for centuries, from the Bible to Nostradamus and others. Each interprets the events in their own way.

The dream world merging with the physical world could appear as a comet in the sky or whatever. These physical events have their root in the non-physical.

If someone in 1453 AD sees a vision of the two worlds merging, it could appear to them as a great comet crashing, the return of Judas, a great shift in the Earth, etc.

But, again, nothing physical is actually happening. The dream world is emerging more fully into your perspective.

You don't need Ecsys or the Bible or the gods of science or the Flying Spaghetti Monster to handle any of this. You will experience what you will experience and it really doesn't matter (no pun intended).

If you want to continue to experience the wonderful world of physicality then you will be able to do so. It will be kind of crazy (ok, a lot crazy) but it will also be fun in a way because you are exploring the nature of what it means to be physical.

If you want to experience OUR WORLD fully then you need to see your world for what it is. An illusion. How you do this is up to you.
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wow! didn't know Berlitz knew this!!!
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My second Genius has now crashed....I got the opposite results. :o(

It works...I just don't know how, yet.
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truth is beyond existence because how could something as great, powerful, magnificent, etc. as the truth possibly be contained in the few limited ways we perceive (through stimuli, and thought)

We will never perceive truth because it is beyond our comprehension/ability to perceive of it... instead we can see signposts or arrows that seem to point in the direction of truth, but perceiving is impossible just as it is impossible for your eyeball to look at your other eye ball without using a mirror.
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We are non-existent but dreaming?
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As I see it:


we are non-existent because there is really nothing

we are existent because only within nothing can everything be contained

We are always dreaming... from the point of view of your most relative self, the one that perceives and experiences.. it can know nothing outside of experience, there is no death for perspective.

You will always exist within Now as experiences happen, but you will never find what you seek...what we seek is Unity,completeness, wholeness, nothingness.... we can never achieve that, but we have infinity to bring ourselves closer and closer to it.

Welcome to the game, the only escape is surrender.
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We are non-existent but dreaming?
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We are non-existent but dreaming?
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These lines are my interpretation, from a
genuine mystical-experience.
Downloaded via heart in the Dog-Days 2011.

#1 We have Free Will. Its a given right of the cosmos
and has to be respected.
This is were we co-create our perspectives full of relationships, symbols and values.

No Time, no space, no location.

We are neither dead or alive. Like Schroedingers Cat.
The physical world is also a dream. We are becoming lucid.
The whole physicality is vibrating/flickering at high speed.
Like a 3D-Hologram movie, projected from another dimension.
We are flipping in and outside of existence so fast, we
do not notice it.
Our deepest perspectives & relationships matter.

We are constantly connected in vast mysterious ways.
I will not go deeper into that.

This movie and others are "hints" to the general public.


We can abuse ourself and others unconsciously.

What i still can not figure out is: How many realities are there ? Are there many representations of my body ?

This is all ego-clutter. Let go.
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We are non-existent but dreaming?
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Take a look at this book, [link to www.amazon.com] while you are waiting for Chaol to come back. Maybe it's about you, maybe about him.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
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I am Helas Brice from UK. I am 22 years old. My hobbies are reading and playing games. Mostly i love to play Cricket and like to read Fashion Magazines. Now a days i am doing my studies and also doing a part time job in London. I hope i will enjoy here with all of you.Thanks.
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Hello, Helas. So glad you can join us!

What subject are you studying in school? Design, perhaps?

I sew at home, but I love to [try to] copy the top designers. John Galliano is my favorite. He graduated from Central Saint Martins College of Arts and Design in London.

Do you live in London, or do you have to commute to get to your job?
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
I appreciate the thoughtful responses and links to my question in an earlier post. I read all of them and looked at the linked information. Thanks.

I'm just struggling with surrendering something.

Anyway, to answer the question concerning how many realities there are.....I doubt they can even be counted. My understanding is every decision we make creates one.





GLP