Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Hello!

I don't actually think there's something wrong with being attached to material things. I see it as pretty much the same thing as anything non-physical. To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

The physical isn't really "physical" at all, is it? Perhaps one reality is as valid as another.

Of course, at this point the cliche would be that positive and negative are a matter of perspective. Whatever works for oneself, I suppose.

All possibilities (should) exist.



The bankers are very much in control of the banking situation. Even much moreso than before.

All is not what it seems on the surface. "Follow the money," it is said.



Time will tell.

I'm still not sure why modern science assumes that the truth can be discovered. Something does not have to be true in order to be useful.

Notice what is "good" and "bad" for your body changes constantly?

There is a lot of information and "news" that does not approach truth at all. It's often political and profit-motivated.

Perhaps a focus on practical, useful matters rather than truth-seeking would be more fruitful.



I perceive one consciousness only. However, one consciousness can include many sub-consciousnesses much like the relationship you have with your own body.



This question seems to presume that emotions exist apart from the perspective.

In an emotional way, a representation comes about from simply interacting with your emotions.

If you wish to form an 'angry' representation then just interact with anger, for example. (But the representation is not angry itself, of course.)



Yes. But you've also said that science is "...the best method we have at the moment for discovering truth", so I suppose there are pros and cons.



I don't believe I am able to be more practical than I have already.

But surely you jest about the narcissism. Perhaps you're talking about the "Why Should I Listen to a High-School Dropout?" section of the website. I encourage you to re-read it again. You may find it more balanced upon second glance. But shall we examine the post to which I am responding in the same light? I wouldn't want to. I'd rather talk about ideas.

I am more limited in the way of practicality and humility to some, perhaps. Hopefully I have been fair and thoughtful of others in my posts. But I try to be aware of my limitations. Hopefully although that one section may not help you, the other sections may.

Thank you kindly.

Some old notes I found:
A bit of gobbledygook and sporadic, but noteworthy

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From quantum physics we get that a symbol is nothing intrinsic in and of itself.

A symbol is a possibility being interacted with. Which makes possibility a symbol without interaction. As soon as you interact with possibility it becomes a symbol. (See double slit experiment, and Dean Radin experiment on wave function collapse using imagination)

If interaction is Possibility with structure, then interaction without possibility is structure.

A new symbol imbued with intention contains within it, as possibility, the very thing you desire.

Because the symbol is a possibility for structure it brings new possibility for it to become more relative in your reality NOW. Everything exists NOW so we aren’t moving towards anything; We are just perceiving how it is already here now.

Creating a symbol is a way of defining your less-relative perspective (your "goal") and letting it interact with your more- relative ("current") perspective.

“Meditation is the use of symbols, not abstractions. A symbol is something alive. It is a hyphen between one reality and another.”


We perceive in patterns and all patterns are compressible into an algorithm, and once you have obtained the algorithm there is no need for further data transmission. The more predictable a signal is, the less information it conveys. Conversely, the more information a sequence contains, the less predictable it is, the more random it is.

Restated: Information is Uncertainty. Information is Entropy.

If one acts randomly and is able to handle more uncertainty then one becomes open to new information.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."


If one is random/inspired/creative/imaginative than that information is where we find the synchronicities needed to bring into our perspective that which we wish to perceive more of. You are interfacing more with perspective and perspective begins to incorporate your intentions.


So a symbol imbued with new meaning creates new information, it creates more possibility for your desired structure to become more relative NOW.

Symbols and time help us create logical narratives to new experiences becoming more relative. It has to do with the manipulation of information, the amount of entropy… the amount of surprise involved in receiving and transmitting a message is crucial. You unwrap the Present.


Logic is really an interaction without possibility. (Math works the same whether written on a chalk board, or a marker on a paper plate)

Figure out the logic of yourself and perception to unlock possibility.

Logic does not matter, only intention, logic is a means of focusing, it is pattern recognition. Logic structures perspective.

But interaction is the key! Interact with your symbol through your logic. Basically, in order to change reality you simply interact with new representations (symbols).

Representations surround you. Everything you see is a representation of something else.

"So you think you can tell heaven from hell, blue skies from pain, can you tell a green field, from a cold steel rail, a smile from veil, do you think you can tell?"

So, you could say that by doing something different with a representation you are changing the relationship and, thus, the resultant perspective.

The more you can map (the more relationships surrounding your goal) the more relative it will be to your current reality (i.e. faster manifestation)


Nothing is independent of perspective. So the logic of perspective is merely that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive.


We are shifting through realties as they become relative to our experience. We perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive. This means that your next perspective will be the one that is most related to your last perspective, giving you a sense of time and space.

As we focus on our symbol, the least energy process is to have realty incorporate the aspects of that symbol more and more spiraling and expanding faster until focus is changed. That is why single-minded focus is so powerful. That is why our symbols are complicated and unique, it focuses our perspective much more and makes perceiving aspects of our desire much more relative.

If it were beyond your immediate perception you would not be able to conceive of it. It is in your perspective, perhaps not as relative as you'd like it to be but there nonetheless. So we work to make it more relative.

When you interact with X, you make it more relative to yourself. That’s the Bottom Line.

--So, very basically and practically-speaking:

1) Find something that represents what it is you want to experience
2) interact with it
3) find something that better represents it
4) repeat

Chaoq's last post, so he must be busy working on representing this experience in my perspective.

Anyway Yesterday went over some old way-back machine stuff, felt mt GENIUS map needed to be more psychical than I have been doing.

"Thoughts take on physical form as the thought is expressed more physically, changing your perception of it. Bring the thought into your physical experience and you will experience it physically."


"Without the symbols interacting with your environment they cannot be integrated with your environment. If the new symbols don't interact then your reality stays the same."


"Your current reality is made up of those things which takes the least amount of energy for you to perceive. You can change your perspective by manipulating those relationships, making something that was previously unrelated as related to your reality as you want it to be."

"New symbols you create must develop relationships with the symbols already in your perspective."



"By adding structure to your representation you attract potential energy and enable the right kind of interactions, from which new representations are born which bring you even closer to (or completely fulfill) your desire."

"Basically, in order to change the reality you simply interact with new representations (symbols)."

[Instructing your subconscious with the proper intent. ]

So THE GENIUS creates a driving pressure:

To realize intent physicalized symbol interacting with environment creates a high energy state -> This alters the relationships, making one's perception of the experience of their goal the path with the least amount of energy for you to perceive = more relative



I'll keep y'all updated, feel like I AM close.

Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.

Fooled by Perception

It is natural to think that our perceptions are the ultimate reality because they are immediate to our experience. But do we know of anything outside of our own perceptions?

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Things, from the very large to the very small, do not actually exist until they are observed.

The house next door does not exist until it is perceived. The palm of your hand does not exist until you perceive it.

Amazing, isn't it?

But these things are not physical things and therefore don't need to take on physical properties. It's okay that your friends don't exist until you perceive them because they exist entirely in your perception. Perception is simply what we experience when two or more things relate. We perceive this "geometry" of relationships and it is really all we ever knew.

We forget how we have come to perceive anything. We mistake a representation of a thing with the actual thing and forget that we did just that. We have become so familiar with this 'geometry' that it seems like reality.

Imagine a baby, learning a language for the first time. The words make no sense at first. It's just noise. But after the baby begins to relate the words with other words, concepts, actions, expressions, etc., it all makes sense. Finally, the words they hear are rich and become so ingrained in their experience that they could not imagine a world without them.

And so it is the same with these geometrical relationships.

Something can either be true, or it can be perceived. It cannot be both. We can be aware of something but not be aware of the truth of what it is. When the totality of something cannot be grasped in our perception, it appears infinite (such is your reality, seemingly infinite in every direction).

Hi again Choal,

You also said you might be able to show some photos of your world, i would like to see that is possible.

thank you

Hello!

"Death" is a drastic change of perspective. Nothing ever truly dies, as perspectives don't die.

When you "die" you just change perspective. Or, rather, "float" from one relative perspective to the next. You're doing it at each moment. But sometimes these shifts line up with other shifts and then it seems like the spirit is gone from the body.

If you mean me, I'm not sure. There's no one set experience of "death" so there's no one answer.

About wormholes or spatial folds, I know next to no thing. Such things aren't necessary to travel to other places. But when things haven't been invented "yet" then all manner of fantastical solutions are invented. Any point in your perspective can be highly relative to an other point seemingly far away.

What do you mean by extraterrestrial beings? Are clouds such beings? How about certain kinds of light? Air pressure? Other phenomenon? All these things are ignored while the search for extra-terrestrial life continues. It's all right under our noses. We're probably looking more for ourselves rather than beings from other worlds. This world is far, far from ready for such revelations. Better to discover the 99% of life on Earth that has not yet been.

"Planets" only matter when you come from planets. But visitors from other worlds similar to Earth don't really make it here that often, save for those from Earth and its relative worlds. The vast majority of "extra terrestrial beings" that visit are from Earth, technically-speaking. There are many, many Earths.

Some Earths are quite relative. You could be from an other yourself and not know it. Some Earths are not so relative to this one. All are linked.

Hope this helps a bit

i dont get it what do you mean consciousness does not exist? if consciousness didnt exist in your world then how did you become conscious all of a sudden?? thats the only thing about it that sounds like bs to me.. but i am aware there are plenty of alternate universes for i have died and came into a differant alternate a few times within this incarnation but always came to the next nearest reality to the one i was in before so it was practically the same place only slightly varied.. explain to me how you have no consciousness?

Hi.

This is because you cannot perceive anything directly.

You can only be aware of the relationships, like comparing one thing to another.

When you're perceiving the Sun, for example, you're actually perceiving yourself, not how the Sun actually is. (This isn't new age talk. It's scientific 'fact')

And so it's the same when you're perceiving anything else.

The awareness is an illusion. We can't really be aware of something.

It's a lot deeper than this, but that's the general idea.

What a bunch of BS...what an absolute BS every single thing you wrote here....cut out this solipsistic bs.

...consciousness is the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings, the awareness or perception of something by a person........so you perceiving 'one consciousness' is subjective and wrong

"..since you interact with many...billions... consciousnesses of others.."

...cut out this solipsistic bs...these absurd solipsistic statements...these false solipsistic lies

I mean, c'mon people, why are you not confronting this guy with real logic... and everyone here is passive and not a SINGLE person question and debunking...any of...his absurd statements?

when you perceive the sun you don't actually perceive another you, you ACTUALLY perceive the SUN. outside of you.

I know where this shill is coming from! Exactly promoting and spamming these false solipsistic lies everywhere on the internet, also on facebook, skeptic forums and philosophyforums.

Scientific Fact? OHHH BOY, and not a single person here questions this??? No, when you perceive the sun you don't actually perceive another you, you ACTUALLY perceive the SUN. outside of you. get over it SHILL.

What makes me mad is that everyone here is passive and not a SINGLE person question any of these absurd solipsistic statements of this person, and some other sockpupppets here.

Hi. On the internet,

(Not proofread.)

I check this thread from time to time to see how well it's doing. Unfortunately, it appears that Chaol led a lot of us to a dead end. The EC system, or even the basic number system as explained on pg 1, is fascinating but only if it were truly applicable. I will always remember the 4 elements, but when I try to do anything with them, it seems to just be an abstraction of thought, like any philosopher ever theorized. For example,

Let's say I want to clean my room. In my experience, this is about all that the system Chaol proposed for us is useful for. I simply pontificate on "defining the different aspects" of my bedroom. (Bear with me here) I say, ok, all the elements are in my room. I try to think in numbers, to calculate faster, except I'm not calculating, I'm philosophizing or pre-meditating my next course of action. So, let's say I want to increase the energy and interaction when people come over. To do this, I would assume that energy and interaction already exist, and for my purposes want to increase it. As Chaol clearly stated on the first page, you must look at all the numbers, and how they relate. 2 & 3 interact with 1 and 4, respectively, more than not.
To translate this, in order to increase energy and interaction as I intend to for my social life, I logically will need to understand structure and reprsentation (as "potential energy is more structured than it is not," I would add, "representations interact more than they do not". So what do I do? Increase structure. Increase representation. Therefore the energy and interaction taking place in my room when I have some friends over, will be dominated by the structure and what representations I chose to focus on.

If I haven't lost you yet, I know this sounds puzzling. But at the very least, Chaol gave thousands of people inspiration that life can be somewhat interesting. Obviously, it has limited applicability as a mental technology, but, not only does it sure the hell give meditation more value, his system also seems to have real world application in science or physics. In fact, I question whether Chaol is a physicist because the four elements make it sound as if so. In any case, I give him 50/50 credibility, because he seems to have just left us here, dead end, with no hope of returning to touch upon the OP. I wouldn't chock it up for anything more than mental health science, for now...

Hi. On the internet,

(Not proofread.)

I check this thread from time to time to see how well it's doing. Unfortunately, it appears that Chaol led a lot of us to a dead end. The EC system, or even the basic number system as explained on pg 1, is fascinating but only if it were truly applicable. I will always remember the 4 elements, but when I try to do anything with them, it seems to just be an abstraction of thought, like any philosopher ever theorized. For example,

Let's say I want to clean my room. In my experience, this is about all that the system Chaol proposed for us is useful for. I simply pontificate on "defining the different aspects" of my bedroom. (Bear with me here) I say, ok, all the elements are in my room. I try to think in numbers, to calculate faster, except I'm not calculating, I'm philosophizing or pre-meditating my next course of action. So, let's say I want to increase the energy and interaction when people come over. To do this, I would assume that energy and interaction already exist, and for my purposes want to increase it. As Chaol clearly stated on the first page, you must look at all the numbers, and how they relate. 2 & 3 interact with 1 and 4, respectively, more than not.
To translate this, in order to increase energy and interaction as I intend to for my social life, I logically will need to understand structure and reprsentation (as "potential energy is more structured than it is not," I would add, "representations interact more than they do not". So what do I do? Increase structure. Increase representation. Therefore the energy and interaction taking place in my room when I have some friends over, will be dominated by the structure and what representations I chose to focus on.

If I haven't lost you yet, I know this sounds puzzling. But at the very least, Chaol gave thousands of people inspiration that life can be somewhat interesting. Obviously, it has limited applicability as a mental technology, but, not only does it sure the hell give meditation more value, his system also seems to have real world application in science or physics. In fact, I question whether Chaol is a physicist because the four elements make it sound as if so. In any case, I give him 50/50 credibility, because he seems to have just left us here, dead end, with no hope of returning to touch upon the OP. I wouldn't chock it up for anything more than mental health science, for now...

I know where this shill is coming from! Exactly promoting and spamming these false solipsistic lies everywhere on the internet, also on facebook, skeptic forums and philosophyforums.

Scientific Fact? OHHH BOY, and not a single person here questions this??? No, when you perceive the sun you don't actually perceive another you, you ACTUALLY perceive the SUN. outside of you. get over it SHILL.

What makes me mad is that everyone here is passive and not a SINGLE person question any of these absurd solipsistic statements of this person, and some other sockpupppets here.

Fooled by Perception

It is natural to think that our perceptions are the ultimate reality because they are immediate to our experience. But do we know of anything outside of our own perceptions?

[link to imgur.com (secure)]

Things, from the very large to the very small, do not actually exist until they are observed.

The house next door does not exist until it is perceived. The palm of your hand does not exist until you perceive it.

Amazing, isn't it?

But these things are not physical things and therefore don't need to take on physical properties. It's okay that your friends don't exist until you perceive them because they exist entirely in your perception. Perception is simply what we experience when two or more things relate. We perceive this "geometry" of relationships and it is really all we ever knew.

We forget how we have come to perceive anything. We mistake a representation of a thing with the actual thing and forget that we did just that. We have become so familiar with this 'geometry' that it seems like reality.

Imagine a baby, learning a language for the first time. The words make no sense at first. It's just noise. But after the baby begins to relate the words with other words, concepts, actions, expressions, etc., it all makes sense. Finally, the words they hear are rich and become so ingrained in their experience that they could not imagine a world without them.

And so it is the same with these geometrical relationships.

Something can either be true, or it can be perceived. It cannot be both. We can be aware of something but not be aware of the truth of what it is. When the totality of something cannot be grasped in our perception, it appears infinite (such is your reality, seemingly infinite in every direction).

Who are we? Who am I?

As your world and my world are "uniting" (for lack of a better expression) there will be more and more correlation between the two. (Along with countless other worlds, but that's an other story all together.) So, lately I've been a bit more active.

Some of us call it the Singularity, Great Shift, Rapture, and lots of other names that we make up when our mind wanders (or, shall I say, when ours minds seek to interpret one-another's thoughts).

Wait. I posted THIS^^ to the wrong thread! I meant to post it to the other thread.

I mistakenly posted the above^^.I intended to post it to a different thread.

Holy shabazz!

How did we miss this news development???

Grandson of Malcom X killed in Mexico
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Truth stranger than fiction.

Normalized, isn't it?

Welcome to the Dream World.

Next step is to find out where you actually are.

But first. The 'final boss'

Truth stranger than fiction.

Normalized, isn't it?

Welcome to the Dream World.

Next step is to find out where you actually are.

But first. The 'final boss'