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Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)

 
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Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
Putting aside the all-but-irredeemable basket-cases BofA and Citigroup, there’s only one major bank which has yet to repay its TARP money: Wells Fargo. How come? Wells has a reputation as being the best and most solid bank in America, a favorite of Warren Buffett, and a bank which managed to sidestep most of the worst excesses of the credit boom.

The answer, I think, is that Wells (WFC) was ultimately undone by exactly the same thing which doomed BofA (BAC): a panicked and unwise acquisition. In this case, of Wachovia. Because the demise of Wachovia was structured with a different acquirer (Citigroup) already in place, Wells had to essentially outbid Citi (C) for Wachovia, and is now suffering from the winner’s curse.

The other problem with the Wachovia acquisition is that Wells Fargo is now far too big — it has an astonishing $711 billion in US deposits, 11% of the total US deposit base — and as a result it will be under intense regulatory scrutiny for the foreseeable future.

Only one of America’s four megabanks seems particularly healthy: JP Morgan (JPM). Wells Fargo, which should by rights be the big boring safe one, is instead struggling with all the extra leverage it brought upon itself with the Wachovia acquisition; its sheer enormity also leaves it vulnerable to calls from people like myself who think that all banks of its size should be broken up into less systemically-dangerous chunks. One can’t help but think that with hindsight, Wells might rather have simply left Wachovia to Vikram Pandit’s tender mercies.

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Re: Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., the nation’s largest home lender, may be reaching a peak for losses tied to troubled loans, President and Chief Executive Officer John Stumpf said.

“There are some indications that we’re seeing a top in some of our problem loan areas,” Stumpf said in an interview from Wells Fargo’s San Francisco headquarters broadcast today on Bloomberg Television. In some businesses, the bank is seeing “very high levels of loss, but they look like they’re flattening out.”

Assets no longer collecting interest climbed 45 percent to $18.3 billion as of June 30 from the first quarter, the lender said on July 22. Charge-offs widened to 2.11 percent of loans in the second quarter from 1.54 percent in the first quarter.

Stumpf has told investors that he must increase profit before taxes and provisions at a pace to offset credit losses. The more he can do that, the quicker Wells Fargo can build the capital it needs to repay $25 billion in government funding under last year’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.

Loss rates on auto loans are stabilizing, Stumpf said, and “some buckets” of home-equity lines of credit “seem to be maybe not getting worse than they were before.”

Stumpf also said he expects the gains Wells Fargo made in mortgage servicing to accelerate. While revenue in the bank’s mortgage business was about 60 percent origination and 40 percent servicing in the second quarter, that is moving closer to a 50-50 split.

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Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., the nation’s largest home lender, may be reaching a peak for losses tied to troubled loans, President and Chief Executive Officer John Stumpf said.

“There are some indications that we’re seeing a top in some of our problem loan areas,” Stumpf said in an interview from Wells Fargo’s San Francisco headquarters broadcast today on Bloomberg Television. In some businesses, the bank is seeing “very high levels of loss, but they look like they’re flattening out.”

Assets no longer collecting interest climbed 45 percent to $18.3 billion as of June 30 from the first quarter, the lender said on July 22. Charge-offs widened to 2.11 percent of loans in the second quarter from 1.54 percent in the first quarter.

Stumpf has told investors that he must increase profit before taxes and provisions at a pace to offset credit losses. The more he can do that, the quicker Wells Fargo can build the capital it needs to repay $25 billion in government funding under last year’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.

Loss rates on auto loans are stabilizing, Stumpf said, and “some buckets” of home-equity lines of credit “seem to be maybe not getting worse than they were before.”

Stumpf also said he expects the gains Wells Fargo made in mortgage servicing to accelerate. While revenue in the bank’s mortgage business was about 60 percent origination and 40 percent servicing in the second quarter, that is moving closer to a 50-50 split.

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No way the bad loans have peaked yet. They aren't even counting Wachovia's bad loans yet. And expanding their mortgages? No way because Wachovia is closing several mortgage servicing centers. I wonder how WFC is going to like all those Golden West mortgages Wachovia got stuck with. Good find OP Wells could really be in trouble soon.
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Re: Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
They have $25 billion either in the stock market or at the FED at leverage OR at the FED in the stock market at leverage, whAT's wrong? If the market goes short and they can't... because TRAP would mean they would be found out... well well welll!
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Wachovia's loan loses are a lot worse than 2.1% What is Wells going to do when they have to start adding that to the portfolio?

I've heard that Wachovia's bad mortgages are nearly 9% Where there is smoke there is fire?

It'll be interesting to see what develops here.
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Wachovia like many banks is not lending period to prime customers. One of my customers was just turned down after being approved. He is solid and does not have money problems.

They told him wait till next Spring.
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Wachovia like many banks is not lending period to prime customers. One of my customers was just turned down after being approved. He is solid and does not have money problems.

They told him wait till next Spring.
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Next spring? 1rof1 I know for a long time that they weren't even doing any personal loans at all.
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I feel for WFC. One time I outbid somebody for something on Ebay. I got it and it really sucked and I was like what the hell did I do that for?
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Re: Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
bump

Becoming very relevant this story is!
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Re: Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
only thing you need to know is the Fed will NOT allow them to fail as theyre "to big to fail"


theyll fling fiats at Wells until theyre stuffed to the gills....courtesy of you the taxpayer


now move along....nothing to see here
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Re: Wells Fargo Is Regretting It's Wachovia Acquisition (Could there be trouble brewing at WFC?)
only thing you need to know is the Fed will NOT allow them to fail as theyre "to big to fail"


theyll fling fiats at Wells until theyre stuffed to the gills....courtesy of you the taxpayer


now move along....nothing to see here
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I dunno...Bear Sterns was too big also. If we keep printing money, we'll run out of friends. China is already buying up IMFs.





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