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Message Subject Clear concrete proof that 'GOD' of Bible/Koran/Talmud is false.
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God has revealed himself numerous times ... sun 

MC there is no "restored church" -- read John 17 
 Quoting: rb 764291

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There is perhaps no more frequently misquoted verse in all the Bible than John 1:18.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

Many will cite this scripture as proof that Joseph Smith, the Prophet of the Restoration could not have seen God, as Mormons believe. I've had this scripture pointed out to me by sincere folks who had no clue that the Bible contains myriad examples of mortals seeing God. They usually get this scripture from their minister who was taught it in his seminary training.

Taking a look at the Bible as a whole, you'll see that God has revealed himself numerous times to mortals. It's also clear that God's intent is that the humble, meek and pure will see his face, not only in the next life, but in this one as well.

Genesis 32: 30 I have seen God face to face.
Exodus 3: 6 Moses...was afraid to look upon God
Exodus 19: 11 Lord will come down in the sight of all the people.
Exodus 19: 21 charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze.
Exodus 24: 11 ...nobles of the children of Israel...saw God.
Exodus 33: 11 Lord spake unto Moses face to face.
Numbers 12: 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth.
Deuteronomy 34: 10 Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.
Judges 13: 22 We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
1 Kings 11: 9 Lord...had appeared unto him twice.
Isaiah 6: 5 mine eyes have seen...the Lord.
Matthew 11: 27 Father...to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
John 14: 18 not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14: 21 I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Acts 7: 56 I see...the Son of man standing on the right hand.
Hebrews 12: 14 holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
1 John 3: 2 we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Revelation 1: 17 when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
Revelation 22: 4 they shall see his face.

I might have listed even more, but these are very clear and require no interpretation of events. These references testify that, if a person is filled with the Holy Ghost, the Lord can appear before him and manifest himself in person. Without the influence and power of the Holy Ghost, one could not abide the Divine glory. This is the key. The oft-misquoted scripture above is clarified by John himself in chapter 6 of his Gospel, where it is written:

"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." (John 6:46)

Thus, the overall message of this list of scriptures is that a person can see God if he is "of God" and thus has the gift of the Holy Ghost to quicken him in the Divine presence. Joseph Smith is a witness that can be added to those above who has seen God. After seeing Jesus Christ in the Kirtland, Ohio temple on April 3, 1836, he testified:

"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father. 

The promise to those who accept Jesus Christ is that he will send us the Holy Ghost, known as The Comforter. If we remain faithful, it is his desire to manifest himself unto each of us personally. John 14: 21, 23 says:

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him...

If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

It doesn't say that if we believe in Jesus, we'll see him when we die. It says that if we have and keep the commandments in faith, he will manifest himself unto us. If we will love him and keep his words, the Father and Jesus will come to us and make their abode with us. This doesn't mean dying and going to heaven. Like Moses, who sought to bring Israel into God's presence, the Good Shepherd seeks to bring us into the presence of his Father.

Those who seek to teach that no man has seen or can see God defy the promises of Jesus Christ himself and seek to turn believers away from that which God desires to give. I urge the reader to search the scriptures above and to seek the God of the Bible, who truly is a God of revelation. - [link to www.examiner.com]

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