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What happened to the Gnostics?

 
El D
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09/08/2009 05:11 PM
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What happened to the Gnostics?
I've been reading a lot lately about the 'two Gods of creation' theory...that the God of the Old Testament was infact a retelling of the original creation story featuring two Gods (Summerian Enlil and Enki), one who had a penchant for destroy mankind and other bent on enlightening us.

Etc, etc, etc. move forward and we've got Jesus. Sybolized by the same things that ancient people used to sybolize the 'good' God of creation (Enki).

Although the Gnostics did not necessarily believe that there were 2 Gods in creation, AFAIK they were the only Christian group who believed that Jesus did not represent the God Jehovah.

Regardless of the Enki, Enlil thing, my question is how did this group of early Christians managed to completely die out with such a unique set of beliefs? It's not like they were rare...history shows that they were quite a lot of Gnostics, and we find their writings frequently.
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09/08/2009 05:32 PM
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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
Simon Magus and the Gnostic Samaritans became the Catholic universal religion of the Roman Empire. Christianity as found in scripture was elsewhere.

Enlil was a demon they prayed too.

The scripture of Genesis is dated by events told within the text, confirmed by science. Genesis is the oldest.
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They got squashed by the Christians who fear all others who do not believe in the thoughts dictated to they by a few. Of course, this is broadly applied to all who follow fundamentalist dogma regardless of their religious inclination.
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Christ and the Gnostics.

Adapted from "The Tenth Insight" by James Redfield

. . . I watched as one person came into the Earth dimension remembering all of His birth vision.

He knew He was here to bring a new awareness into the world, a new culture based on Love not on emotion. His message was this: The One God is a Holy Spirit, a Divine Energy, Whose existence could be felt and proven experientially. Coming into spiritual awareness means more than rituals and sacrifices and public prayer. It involves a repentance of a deeper kind; a repentance that is an inner psychological shift based on the suspension of the ego's ('Self's') addictions ('Self'-ish wants), and a transcendent "letting go", which would ensure the true fruits of the Spiritual Life.

As this message began to spread, I watched as one of the most influential of all empires, the Roman, embraced and then transformed Christ's Teaching into a new religion, spreading their inaccurate interpretation of His Message throughout much of Europe.

At this point I saw again the appeals of the Gnostics, urging the church to focus more fully on the inner, transformative experience, using Christ's life as an example (Imam) of what each of us should strive to achieve (John 14:6*). I saw the church lapse into the Fear, its leaders sensing a loss of control, building false-doctrine around the powerful hierarchy of the churchmen, who falsely made themselves out to be the mediators or dispensers of the spirit to the populace. Eventually all texts related to Gnosticism were deemed by the clergymen to be blasphemous and excluded from the Bible...

The Gnostics were early followers of "The Way" (Christ) who believed that followers of The One God should not merely revere Christ, but strive to emulate him, in every thought, word and deed. They sought to describe this emulation in philosophical terms, as a method of practice. As the early Roman church formulated its canons, the Gnostics were eventually considered willful heretics, opposed to turning their lives over to God as a matter of faith. To become a true believer, the early church leaders claimed, one had to forego understanding and analysis and be content to live life through divine revelation, adhering to God's Will moment by moment. The churchmen did this in order to sustain their control over the people. They wished to keep His True Teachings and overall plan from the public, so people would be deceived into thinking that they had to go to the churchmen to find God, rather than learning to look within and find the Divine within themselves as Christ's Message to the world had been.

Accusing the church hierarchy of tyranny, the Gnostics argued that their understandings and methods were intended to actually facilitate this act of "letting go to God's Will" that the church was requiring, rather than giving mere lip-service to the idea, as the churchmen were doing.

In the end the Gnostics lost, and were banished from all church functions and texts, their beliefs disappearing underground among the various secret sects and orders. Yet the dilemma was clear. As long as the church held out the vision of a transformative spiritual connection with the Divine, yet persecuted anyone who talked openly about the specifics of the experience - how one might actually attain such an awareness, what it felt like - then the "Kingdom Within" would remain merely an intellectualized concept within church doctrine, rather than reality within each person, and The Truth would be crushed anytime it surfaced. . .

* John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.

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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
they were destroyed by the Council of Nicea and the Catholic church and when subsequent groups tried to reestablish those beliefs ie the Knights Templar and the Cathars they destroyed them as well.
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the modern day Gnostics are the so hated Freemasons, THAT'S their big secret and what people don't understand, the Freemasons have been the opposition to the Catholic church for centuries and their secret teachings everyone is so suspicious of is simply the maintaining of the Gnostic and Hermetic teachings.
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the modern day Gnostics are the so hated Freemasons, THAT'S their big secret and what people don't understand, the Freemasons have been the opposition to the Catholic church for centuries and their secret teachings everyone is so suspicious of is simply the maintaining of the Gnostic and Hermetic teachings.
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The heirarchy at the Vatican, the Jesuits ect, also have these Gnostic beliefs, if any. They created the Templars (before the jesuits) and the other Orders. They are all babylonian. Their supposed opposition is for the lower dupes, like Catholicism is. They work together against biblical Christianity.

You can bet the pope is a hermetic gnostic more than any other. The Templars are a Catholic Order who recruit from non Catholics.

The knights want a Papal apology nearly 700 years after they were disbanded and hounded into exile
By Ruth Gledhill
November 29, 2004

“The Knights Templar officially ceased to exist in the early 1300s, but the order continued underground. It was a huge organisation and the vast majority of Templars survived the persecution, including most of their leaders, along with much of their treasure and, most importantly, their original values and traditions.”
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
Templars absolved by Pope
October 16, 2007
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[link to www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk]
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09/09/2009 01:03 AM
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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
Knowledge (gnosis) of the divine?

Evil!
Heretics!
Pagan!
Burn them!

LOL

I wonder how many Cathars the so-called "christians" would kill today if their minister (sheep-herder) told them to.
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I thought they became farmers and changed their name to Ag-nostics
In ten years we'll look back on this moment, laugh nervously, and quickly change the subject.
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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
Simon Magus and the Gnostic Samaritans became the Catholic universal religion of the Roman Empire. Christianity as found in scripture was elsewhere.

Enlil was a demon they prayed too.

The scripture of Genesis is dated by events told within the text, confirmed by science. Genesis is the oldest.
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Book of Enoch is way older, Enoch was Noah's great grand father, His book was given to Noah and they survived the flood on account of the Book, because its the Covenant of the Ark.

hf
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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
Gnostics still pass along Knowings from Mouth to Ear
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[link to www.gnostictemplars.org]
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We are everywhere
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I thought they became farmers and changed their name to Ag-nostics
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Good one!
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Re: What happened to the Gnostics?
Although the Gnostics did not necessarily believe that there were 2 Gods in creation, AFAIK they were the only Christian group who believed that Jesus did not represent the God Jehovah.


 Quoting: El D 747284



GREAT POST ! I love this stuff, and studied it heavily in College.


Gnostics did not believe in the Stitchin translation of Sumerian myths...I guess it could be combined with Stitchin but it doesnt really fit.

The main belief of the Gnostics was a complex concept of Aeons. Which is a Greek idea, and in simplest terms could be thought of as Angels. Aeons came in male/female pairs, and the main heresy of their belief is that the God of Abraham was an incomplete Aeon, who was missing his partner and thus created man to fulfill an empty desire. Accordingly, Jesus came to bring us to the true Father who was above this Demiurge.

Either way, Gnostics cannot be lumped into one group, there were various different groups.

One group literally still survives in Iraq, and have been persecuted since the fall of Saddam - google the Mandaeans. Instead of Jesus they follow John the Baptist.

Another person to look up is Marcion, he actually put together the first canon and was later excommunicated as a heretic, because he fully denied that Jesus was speaking about the God of the OT when referring to the Father. Google Marcion. At the same time is responsible for the basic structure of the NT and is directly responsible for putting the Letters of Paul alongside the Gospels.

Many ideas of the Gnostics, such as the opening of John which speaks of Jesus was the Word (translated from Aeon) - and many of Paul's writings which speak of concepts such as the mysteries of God, the mysteries of the Light, becoming one with the light, are all Gnostic in origin (meaning they are far from Judaic thought of the time - and closer to the fusing of Egyptian and Greek ideas). So much of their legacy survives in our modern Canon - the more you study Judaism the more you see how different the concepts Christianity introduced were.


Just a couple of thoughts. Peace.





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