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WHY DID CHRISTIANITY MAKE GRAVEN IMAGES OF JESUS WHEN IT WAS FORBIDDEN IN THE SCRIPTURES?

 
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WHY DID CHRISTIANITY MAKE GRAVEN IMAGES OF JESUS WHEN IT WAS FORBIDDEN IN THE SCRIPTURES?
There is no one section that clearly defines idolatry; rather there are a number of commandments on this subject spread through the books of the Hebrew Bible, some of which were written in different historical eras, in response to different issues. Taking these verses together, idolatry in the Hebrew Bible is defined as either:

the worship of idols (or images)
the worship of polytheistic gods by use of idols (or images)
the worship of animals or people
the use of idols in the worship of God.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

Why do people make graven images of Obama and other presidents?

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Christianity didn't.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Why do people make graven images of Obama and other presidents?

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There is no one section that clearly defines idolatry; rather there are a number of commandments on this subject spread through the books of the Hebrew Bible, some of which were written in different historical eras, in response to different issues. Taking these verses together, idolatry in the Hebrew Bible is defined as either:

the worship of idols (or images)
the worship of polytheistic gods by use of idols (or images)
the worship of animals or people
the use of idols in the worship of God.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

Why do people make graven images of Obama and other presidents?

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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?

And, well, call me crazy, but i find this pretty clear:
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
You remember this passage? Hint: It's in the ten commandments.

I'm sure you are just trying to be funny here.
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This is the man-contamination against communing with the Infinite the Christ came to destroy. It never even made it past Christ's murder before the idolatry started back up. The twisting and bolting on of man-visions and interpretations continue to erode the truth to this day.

The arrival of the Christ was so revolutionary... it was to end all religions on Earth and set up communing directly with the Creator through a Tool, a Door, a modulator / demodulator device with one "foot" in the realm of the finite domains and the other "foot" in the infinite domain.

Not even supposed to worship a book, the bible, or hold a building in high esteem (church building), or military ranking styled system of "religious people". One on one was the design and now look where it's all gone astray.

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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?
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No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things do I declare; before they spring forth I will tell you of them. Let them give Glory to the LORD and sing his praise."

His Messenger is here....

[link to academysounds.blogspot.com]

And, well, call me crazy, but i find this pretty clear:
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
You remember this passage? Hint: It's in the ten commandments.

I'm sure you are just trying to be funny here.
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Yes it is very clear. Did you misunderstand?

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This is the man-contamination against communing with the Infinite the Christ came to destroy. It never even made it past Christ's murder before the idolatry started back up. The twisting and bolting on of man-visions and interpretations continue to erode the truth to this day.

The arrival of the Christ was so revolutionary... it was to end all religions on Earth and set up communing directly with the Creator through a Tool, a Door, a modulator / demodulator device with one "foot" in the realm of the finite domains and the other "foot" in the infinite domain.

Not even supposed to worship a book, the bible, or hold a building in high esteem (church building), or military ranking styled system of "religious people". One on one was the design and now look where it's all gone astray.
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Very good.

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OFF TOPIC:

If only OP you were so meticulous in promoting the actual truth!
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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?


No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
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But do you understand, Lotus, that the 'graven images' reference also applies to such things as crop circles, Buddhism, palmistry, etc....all of which you espouse?

In fact...all of the New Age systems that you incorporate into your teaching.


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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?


No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


But do you understand, Lotus, that the 'graven images' reference also applies to such things as crop circles, Buddhism, palmistry, etc....all of which you espouse?

In fact...all of the New Age systems that you incorporate into your teaching.


?
 Quoting: Lens Flare



Not only that, Lens Flare, but Lotus claims to be the Messiah setting herself above the only begotten Son of God.

But what she's secretly trying to do is set herself up as a right-wing anti-Islamic leader in Britain by invoking biblical quotations of context to protray herself as a prophet.

She has an agenda here and it's not good.
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This is a clear indication of someone who didn't read the whole Bible. God commanded images to be made -- look to the cherubim on the Ark as one example. What was forbidden was the wrong kind of God; and it was for Israel because the incarnation had not taken place. In the incarnation, GOD MADE AN IMAGE - Jesus is the express image of the invisible God -- and as such, before the incarnation, the lack of images was to indicate the lack of the incarnation; after, images were made.
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its was only god you not could picture, there is a different...Jesus is not god, but son of.....


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OK, lets be clear, the Catholics worship graven images of Mary wich is idolitry. They also show Jesus on the cross in all their churches. Christians worship God, which Jesus is in the Trinity of God. Christians show crosses only, Jesus is risen to be at the right hand of the heavenly Father.
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This is a clear indication of someone who didn't read the whole Bible. God commanded images to be made -- look to the cherubim on the Ark as one example. What was forbidden was the wrong kind of God
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You are merely clouding the issue here.


"You shall not make for yourselves any graven images....to bow down and worship them.."



The angels covering the ark were simply representations of angels. They were not worshipped.

They were not real angels.


Had they been real angels, even then they would not have received worship.



"At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
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Psuedo-Christianity makes 'graven images' and 'images of anything' to represent the Most High GOD. So do the 'nations', or the different races of humanity. Any representation of the Most High GOD is forbidden in the 2nd commandment, but humans are 'rebellious', seeking to be 'Indpendent' of the Laws of the Most High GOD. Any representation of 'other gods' is forbidden as well. The Statue of Liberty is one. There are many others. The veneration of objects, such as the tablets on which the ten commandments were originally carved, is also idolatry. The worship of the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars is also forbidden, yet the Mormon church has these images plastered all over their tabernacles. There are many, many, other examples. The problem is humans worship the 'images' they create, rather than the Most High GOD, and then they force others to do the same, often using their 'rule of law' to compell the populace to conform. Those who don't are then looked upon as a threat to them, and their power over the people, which is what Jesus represented to the Jews, the Romans, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the lawyers, the judges, etc., etc.. Thats why they crucified him! Nothings change to this very day!
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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?


No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


But do you understand, Lotus, that the 'graven images' reference also applies to such things as crop circles, Buddhism, palmistry, etc....all of which you espouse?

In fact...all of the New Age systems that you incorporate into your teaching.
?


Not only that, Lens Flare, but Lotus claims to be the Messiah setting herself above the only begotten Son of God.

But what she's secretly trying to do is set herself up as a right-wing anti-Islamic leader in Britain by invoking biblical quotations of context to protray herself as a prophet.

She has an agenda here and it's not good.
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Well said..
..and I think she knows Catholicism is a Babylon/Cabalism/Judaic hybrid..from it's skullcaps and dagon hats to it's robed priests and goddess worship. (Hinduism and it's New Age trappings is the religion of Babylon carried to the east.) Graven images, as ugly as that is, is only a small part of the historical damage this false front religion has done through the centuries.
.This is all the about the Cabala..the doctrine of the Pharisees that made God Himself refer to them as "snakes and vipers."
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Not to mention the saints, the virgin Mary,, who Catholics actually pray to.
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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?


No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


But do you understand, Lotus, that the 'graven images' reference also applies to such things as crop circles, Buddhism, palmistry, etc....all of which you espouse?

In fact...all of the New Age systems that you incorporate into your teaching.
?


Not only that, Lens Flare, but Lotus claims to be the Messiah setting herself above the only begotten Son of God.

But what she's secretly trying to do is set herself up as a right-wing anti-Islamic leader in Britain by invoking biblical quotations of context to protray herself as a prophet.

She has an agenda here and it's not good.


Well said..
..and I think she knows Catholicism is a Babylon/Cabalism/Judaic hybrid..from it's skullcaps and dagon hats to it's robed priests and goddess worship. (Hinduism and it's New Age trappings is the religion of Babylon carried to the east.) Graven images, as ugly as that is, is only a small part of the historical damage this false front religion has done through the centuries.
.This is all the about the Cabala..the doctrine of the Pharisees that made God Himself refer to them as "snakes and vipers."
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I've never seen Lotus say anything bad about anyone. Can you say the same? Ooops you blew that one, didn't you?
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Not only that, Lens Flare, but Lotus claims to be the Messiah setting herself above the only begotten Son of God.
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No, Jesus is my brother.

But what she's secretly trying to do is set herself up as a right-wing anti-Islamic leader in Britain
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No


by invoking biblical quotations of context to protray herself as a prophet.
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No

She has an agenda here and it's not good.
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No

I only do the will of God.

This is the final countdown and you have 11 months left to get with the divine plan and God.

Can you take responsibility AC for NOT GOOD

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The making of graven images of Jesus goes hand in hand with the error of believing that a man born of a woman is actually God and a Savior of mankind. That is a false belief, and so is making images of that man-god to adore and worship him.
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"...GRAVEN IMAGES..." = spiritual rip-off.
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Christianity didn't.
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Well many in Christianity have crosses with Jesus hanging on them. This is certaily graven image.
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OFF TOPIC:

If only OP you were so meticulous in promoting the actual truth!
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There is a pecking order to the divine plan.

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OK, lets be clear, the Catholics worship graven images of Mary wich is idolitry. They also show Jesus on the cross in all their churches. Christians worship God, which Jesus is in the Trinity of God. Christians show crosses only, Jesus is risen to be at the right hand of the heavenly Father.
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That is where you are wrong the Catholics don't worship the virgin mary we acknowledge her for giving birth to JESUS CHRIST For she was deemed Blessed and HOLY as such the Angels praised her as well!

Luke 1:26-31 (King James Version)

26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Praise GOD almighty
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Wait a second.

So you claim Christians can idolize pictures of Jesus because non-Christians can idolize pictures of famous people?


No

The scripture is very clear...Isaiah 42

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


But do you understand, Lotus, that the 'graven images' reference also applies to such things as crop circles, Buddhism, palmistry, etc....all of which you espouse?

In fact...all of the New Age systems that you incorporate into your teaching.


?
 Quoting: Lens Flare


Crop Circles are created by God not man.

Yes graven images also apply to Buddhism etc.

As far as palmistry is concerned God told me about about my hand and the lines within it. I discovered afterwards that you will also find this written in the bible.

God gave people the covenant of Spiritual Independence on the 9th September 2007 to allow the Children of the World to be who they wish to be.

Yes, there are many surprises coming for new agers all in God's timing.

This is the Golden Age not the New Age.

Lotus

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The big difference between the Buddha is that he is just sitting there and when Christians pray before a crucifix or wear one they are actually worshipping suffering.

Jesus Christ said "When the crucifix is removed from earth so will the pain and suffering be removed from earth".

Images embed into human consciousness so be careful what you embed on your plate.

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Well me being Catholic (Soon) don't pray to a crucifix we also don't wear a crucifix The only reason that we have the crucifix is a constant reminder of what our saviour JESUS did for all humanity,giving his life for our sins is wonderful and I love him why not sit in on a catholic mass a few times and make sure of what you see before slamming anothers religion LOTUS
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why do we worship the american flag?





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