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Converging U.S. Navy aircraft carrier groups in Middle East

 
Wul
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03/12/2005 02:08 PM
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The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is on the move in Atlantic Ocean and is possibly headed towards the Mediterranean Sea. The convergence of three carrier groups in the corridor of the Middle East will send very strong message to the Syrians and Iranians. There are indications that soon US is moving two more aircraft carrier battle groups to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. This will spell a formidable strike force for Iran and Syria who are in defiance on issues of Lebanon and Nuclear weapons development.

Outbound from Singapore, the USS Carl Vinson is currently crossing the Indian Ocean headed towards Middle-East. This will be the first time since February 2004 that US will have three major carrier groups stationed on and around Middle East.

Each of these carrier groups carry nearly 85 aircrafts and is capable of deliver precision-guided munitions. In addition there are anti-submarine aircrafts, airborne-early-warning and rotary-wing aircrafts. Because in the air refueling capabilities these aircrafts can operate from a long distance. The carrier groups are independent and can operate indefinitely.

U.S. military air bases in Turkey, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia and the three carrier groups will create a formidable force far superior to any military in the region.

In addition more than 100,000 battle hardened force in Iraq will be another major force in case US has to use force against Iran and Syria.

It seems American are preparing to deal with Syria and Iran in the next several months. The first priority right now is diplomacy in association with the Europeans and the rest of the world. But the leadership in Teheran and Damascus are taking notice of the power build up in the region.

There are seeds of democracy in Lebanon, Iran and Syria. The whole regions is getting a quick lesson on the benefits of democracy.

[link to www.indiadaily.com]
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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sunburn....
Wul  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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So much for a diplomatic solution!

Israel shouts and the USA obediently replies?
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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O.K time to punch in the Lat and Lon positions
because I-RAN is going down,I wound´nt want to
be a worker in those nuke plant because there
about to meet Allah.
Wul  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Yes just like the US has sorted Iraq?

Anarchy and more anarchy......
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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i wish they would just get on with it, put up or shut up, i cant wait to see the sad faces and sad excuses when half you fockers get drafted, muhahahaaaa
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Can you say "Resistance is futile, you all will be asimulated into the colective".

KD
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Zetas right again! Oops wrong thread..


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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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too Stoopid to believe... bu$h morons will be the death of amerika yet. the ´sunburn´ and ´onyx´ missles are WAAY above anything we´ve faced yet.
I feel sorry for the kids about to get their nuts
shot off.
worshipworshipbushfingsheepsheepdynamite
Shadow  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Iran´s reactor is for energy, nobody has any reason to believe otherwise, just a lot of blather about ´might one day´ and ´could soon´ and ´we better make sure they never´. It´s all crap. Iran has as much right to build nuclear reactors as anybody.

Any military sites are deeply buried and US/Israel don´t know where they all are, thanks to Israel bombing of Osiraq in 1981.
malu  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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like i have said before,, if we go through with this ,, we are going to lose a lot of sailors
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Right on, Shadow!

Iran should have nuclear spent fuel rods all to themselves! Iran should put those in their modified missiles and launch ´em to nuke all of Israel and US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan!

I´m sure the mullahs are looking forward to show off their nuclear dicks.

Yeah, Iran should nuke the world in the name of Islam and kill all the infidels, including all of us!

Hey, Shadow, will you wave that Iran´s flag while their modified nuclear-armed missiles are flying in the skies in this decade?!

[/sarcasm off]
malu  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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AC get a grip man! Iran is a soverign nation, it is none of our f*cking buisness! Arrogance just plain smells
Shadow  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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1565, you say what the war-supporters were saying to war-opponents before (disarmed) Iraq was attacked. Or have you forgotten?
When Iran is reduced to a DU wasteland and no nukes, or intention to have, are produced will you support attacking the next targeted country with a straight face too?

edit: And if it´s all about the nukes, why isn´t US targeting North Korea?
z  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Is the Kitty Hawk the third Carrier?

[link to www.angelfire.com]

It left Hong Kong on the 1st of March. Two weeks steaming is ample time to put it in the Persian Gulf before the 17th of this month. (Thursday).

Have mercy upon us, Oh Lord.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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So, maybe, just maybe, Iran may have obtained one or two Nukes.

Do you realy think they have a deadwish?

Do you really think they will threaten the USA that has thousands of Nukes (bought as a deterent for trillions of dollars, remember?) and the means to Deliver them?
Do you really think they will threaten Israel that has hundreds of Nukes and the means to Deliver them?

If they have nuclear weapons they will declare this, like N-Korea did, to make sure that no one will be over-confident and attack them like Iraq.

The fact is, the US taxpayers are swindled out of trillions of dollars for nukes and israel, and now will be swindled out of their sons and daughters!!!

The spin-machine is in high gear and Scott Ritter will prolly be right!

War in June...bring it on...yeah... :(
satanic communist atheist  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Russians work at the Busheir nuclear plant. Russians will demand war if their people are killed. I hope u warasses are happy with the consequences.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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talk about shutting off the oil from the gulf!!!
can you 80-100 dollar a barrel.

Bushwacker is just plain off the rails. total nitwit, doesn´t know if he was pecked, punched, bored or shot out by the lone ranger.
Trac  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Sure, Iran and Syria are sovereign nations that enjoy exporting terror to other countries.

Iran is going to collapse in a few years like all dictatorships do eventually. Having a democratically elected Shiite govt. on it´s border in Iraq will speed that along. No reason to attack Iran.

Syria, on the other hand, is playing with fire. While the fascist Baathist govt. in Damascus is keeping the insurgency alive in Iraq, it´s trying to suppress Lebanon´s evolution into a democratic state.

Soon, violence is going to erupt in Lebanon as the Syrian SS troops get in over their heads. At that point, we need to destroy Syria´s military and SS assets and let the Syrian people take the country over.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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even praying doesn´t help anymore...
america is off the leash again, hope
one day the dog get poisened
Wul  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Trac
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3/12/2005
7:01 pm EST

Absolutely correct!


Except....



Replace Syria with USA


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fnord  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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If killing innocent civilians for political purposes is the definition of terrorism, then the United States is the biggest exporter of terrorism in the world. A hundred thousand civilians dead in Iraq, which has never threatend the US.

The War on Terror is a hoax, a cover story for continuous attacks to loot the rest of the world´s resources. The cover story is anchored by the attacks on 9/11, which were carried out by Washington insiders for that purpose.

Terrorism has never been a threat to our freedom. But corporate gangster fascism has been and continues to be a major threat to the freedom, health, and well-being of every American.
jenzie  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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big game of chess goin´ on!

move yer pieces to the right position .....
to strike!
or defend!!
or just to annoy!!!
Wul  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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The whole problem with US misconceptions of the meaning of war comes down to there not being a "modern" war on US soil.

The US driven by Israel is on the verge of what the Europeans and Asians had to deal with in the many wars that the US either caused or supported.

In other words it will take a nuclear war for them to realise the error of their ways?
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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To Shadow:
>>you say what the war-supporters were saying to war-opponents before (disarmed) Iraq was attacked. Or have you forgotten?<<

My love, who helped built Iraq a nuclear reactor? Also who helped Israel with nuclear weapons? The answer is the same in those two questions. headbang

>>When Iran is reduced to a DU wasteland and no nukes, or intention to have, are produced<<

A Democratic Underground wasteland with no nukes? Cool! About time those DU inmates get a country of its own!
headbang

>>will you support attacking the next targeted country with a straight face too?

edit: And if it´s all about the nukes, why isn´t US targeting North Korea?<<

Believe me, that´s still the plan. All we have to do is to wait for China to make a big move on Taiwan, something North Korea would like to take advantage of.
woohoo
Wul  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Its simple stupid, reduce Iran to DU waste and guess what?

Israel will be in the same boat (ss DU)
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Wul, blaming both World Wars on the U.S. This is what we´re up against in Europe. Denial. Europe is like a petri dish for evil. After two world wars, we finally had to go into Serbia in the 1990´s and cauterize that wound before we found ourselves having to invade Europe for a third time to cut off yet another gangreene limb like Germany. The people of the middle East live under brutal dictatorships, that we in the West have supported for two hundred years, that´s why they want us dead. So it´s time to clean up our rotten mess over there and give their countries back to them, the people.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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heard this shit before,nothing but make believe bullshit.bsflag
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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But, AC 1746, "India Daily" says so! (Snigger, snigger...)
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Every minute of every day, Iranian AWACS aircraft record the precise movements and updated positions of every American vessel in the Persian Gulf. In turn, this precision data is fed to a string of fighter bases positioned north to south in western Iran, where local operations continually program new target coordinates into an array of sea-skimming missile guidance systems.
Try not to be misled by "sophisticated American defensive systems´, because no such systems exist that are even remotely capable of countering a massed attack by sea-skimming Exocet and C 801/802 missiles. The Persian Gulf is only 100 miles wide on average, and each missile travels just below the speed of sound at an altitude of only six feet. Iran has all of the high ground, and American AWACS aircraft will be unable to detect the Mirages and Migs until after they burst out of the deep mountain valleys and over the Gulf proper at sea level, travelling at 0.96 Mach. All aircraft will already be on precise track for their American targets, as tersely advised in advance by the Iranian AWACS.
You do the math. Because the Persian Gulf is relatively shallow on the western side, large ships are generally restricted to deeper water in the center, meaning that the John F. Kennedy is never more than 50 miles away from the Iranian coastline, and considerably closer when transiting the Strait of Hormuz. Let us call the range fifty miles, because it will make no difference at all to the sea-skimmers. Let us call the speed of the attack aircraft and the Exocet missiles the same, at 700 miles per hour. From the earliest point at which the attack aircraft can be spotted exiting the Iranian valleys, maximum flight time for either aircraft or missile to the John F. Kennedy is a scant 4.28 minutes.
Still time for American fighters to intercept the Iraqi attack aircraft, you think? No, not a chance, not even a slight one. Because the block 2 Exocet and C 801 both have ranges in excess of fifty miles, all attack aircraft will launch within one minute of breaking cover, then roll back for base at 0.96 Mach while still in sovereign Iranian airspace. The launched Exocets and C 801s, probably numbering between thirty and fifty in the first attack wave, will continue on track at exactly the same speed, just 6 feet above the sea, completely invisible to the radar on the AWACS aircraft and to the radars of the U.S. fleet.
The accuracy and lethality of these relatively small sea-skimming missiles should not be underestimated. On Tuesday May 4, 1982, two Argentine attack planes launched a pair of Exocets at the British Fleet from a range of approximately 30 miles, with one of them locking onto the British destroyer HMS Sheffield. Travelling just below the speed of sound at an altitude between six and eight feet, the Exocet hit Sheffield amidships just above the waterline, its 350# directed-energy warhead penetrating deep inside the electronic fire control room. HMS Sheffield caught fire and sank, with the loss of 21 lives.
Five years later on May 17, 1987, a single Iraqi Mirage locked onto the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf. Though by this time the frigate was fitted with "sophisticated anti-Exocet defenses", its radar completely failed to see the incoming Exocet, which hit the bridge structure, causing massive damage and killing 37 American sailors. In keeping with the best civilian Pentagon procedures, USS Stark´s skipper, Captain Glenn Brindel, was relieved of his command, comprehensively scapegoated, and then forced to retire.
Try to remember that in each case, a single Exocet hit amidships [i.e. a direct hit], and caused awesome damage out of all proportion to the size and cost of the missile itself. Exocet is a truly terrifying weapon against which there is still no effective defense, and a minimum of 50% will strike their targets if an attack is launched on an American carrier group in the Persian Gulf. Though a handful might accidentally strike screening destroyers and frigates, a conservative estimate indicates that a minimum of ten Exocets would hit the carrier. Survival under these circumstances would be extremely difficult.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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they have Exocets and a LOT worse...
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