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Debunking the lies of the bible???

 
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as one that can see , Hardtruth is not trying to slander anyone, he just knows things that you have blockage to!
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What does he know?
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An unsettled conscience is a gift of God. 

...The ability to have an unsettled conscience is a gift of God to help you succeed in this mortal life. It results principally from the influence of the Light of Christ on your mind and heart. The Light of Christ is that divine power or influence that emanates from God through Jesus Christ. It gives light and life to all things. It prompts all rational individuals throughout the earth to distinguish truth from error, right from wrong. It activates your conscience. 

Its influence can be weakened through transgression and addiction and restored through proper repentance. The Light of Christ is not a person. It is a power and influence that comes from God and when followed can lead a person to qualify for the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Ghost. 

It is well to remember that even with peace of conscience you can have temporary periods when your peace of mind is interrupted by external concerns. Your understanding of the causes can relieve much of the pressure they generate. As your personal life conforms to the teachings of the Lord, you can seek His help in resolving the troubling issues. Thus your faith in the Lord and in His teachings will yield peace of mind. Your efforts will be stepping-stones to greater personal growth as Spirit-guided solutions are found. In addition, as they are resolved such challenges can often bring blessings to others when their needs have caused the disturbed feelings in your mind. ... 

Peace of Conscience and Peace of Mind
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as one that can see , Hardtruth is not trying to slander anyone, he just knows things that you have blockage to!


What does he know?
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thats for you to find out!!!!hint--dont pick the low hanging fruit!
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If a Buddhist prays about Fasting?

 
... I am interested in where you are NOW, If Christ is Not real, then making a quick prayer to a non-entity hurts no one  right.  Since you have never done this, but you have entertained plenty of other ideas, I am curious why the fear, or hate, or hesitation to take a chance. 

Are you afraid that it is a one way trip, it is not, we were allowed to leave the garden of Eden, why would he hold us  against our will now?  Are you afraid that you will loose something now?  He only wants the best for us, children don't want to give up the bottle, but do you not now like solid food?


With all due respect, I have been in your shoes, and I do seek truths, and I have even experienced your filling of the holy spirit!!

We all have that spirit that was given by the creator of all, so the term being filled with the holy spirit is erroneous, as it was more of an awakening, and this isn't conditional only to christians being my point!!

It is available to all who truly seek it, ask and it will be given, it is doctrines that divide, and the belief in a christ or not shall not sway the awakening one iota if one truly seeks it!!

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"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. -James 1:5-8

This New Testament passage testifies that if anyone lacks wisdom they can ask God and He will answer. Notice it says "anyone". It doesn’t single out believers, saints, Christians, Catholics, Protestants or Latter Day Saints. God is the source of all truth. If anyone asks God a question, He will confirm whether or not it is true by revelation, inspiration or scripture study. 

If a Buddhist prays to know whether fasting is a true principle, God isn’t going to deny it just because it’s a Buddhist asking. If anyone prays to Heavenly Father to know if Jesus is His Son and our Saviour, God will answer that it is true. If a Christian prays to know if reincarnation is true, God will confirm that it is not. 

There is a stipulation, though. God will only answer if the question is asked in faith – Nothing Wavering. If you don’t believe He’ll answer, or you’ve already made up your mind, then you won’t recognize it. "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." Predetermined answers can spiritually blind us.

The verse also speaks of a "double minded man" being unstable. When we appeal to God but are fixed on a specific answer but a different answer comes, we either won’t recognize it or won't accept it. We have to be humble to receive His counsel, and trust His judgment. ... - [link to www.moroni10.com]

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Possible that mother earth is a mirror to help us connect with God.

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as one that can see , Hardtruth is not trying to slander anyone, he just knows things that you have blockage to!


What does he know?
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The only wisdom that is hidden from people is the wisdom of God, and even that is not truly hidden.

Unsaved, lost, what ever you call them, or yourself, you are under control of your sinful nature, and as such you see things wrong.

You have a rebellious nature and will not admit that you are wrong. But once you understand this, you can build from there.

Everyone knows that you can't help an alcoholic until they admit they have a problem, same for a drug addict.


Sin is no different, if you think you are not a sinner, and don't need God how can you help this person.


That is the first step, Admit you have a problem.

What do you think is the next step?

For an alcoholic the answer is simple stop drinking, same for a drug addict, stop taking drugs, simple right.

Same for sinners stop sinning.

As you can see it is not that simple. We need help. God sent Jesus. What is your decision.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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as one that can see , Hardtruth is not trying to slander anyone, he just knows things that you have blockage to!


What does he know?

thats for you to find out!!!!hint--dont pick the low hanging fruit!
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Yeah...good luck with that. I may not know everything, or even close to half of everything, but I have learned (and very well) that there is no truth in secrecy...only deception. So, what does he know, or what do you know for that matter?


Have you read that "Insider Thread" one too many times?

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as one that can see , Hardtruth is not trying to slander anyone, he just knows things that you have blockage to!


What does he know?
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Here's One. note

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I see.

It's very interesting to me that they think this alien thing is somehow less absurd than believing in one creator. And then they are all secretive about it, like it's some sort of knowledge that only they are allowed to know. And if you don't find it yourself, you are less than them.

I tell you, alien believers, you are being deceived. Your pride is so encompassing of you, that "The Liar" has free reign in you.

You are all so restrained in saying what you supposedly believe. Doesn't that send up a red flag in your minds? And further, why are so many of you always browsing threads about Christianity? For something you claim to despise so much, you sure spend a bunch of your time on these threads...it's like you delight in jumping on the people bashing bandwagons...especially Christians. Let me tell you, that's a spirit that's delighting in these things...not you. But you are letting that spirit use you. And it's not a good spirit, and certainly not the Holy Spirit of YHWH.

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I see.

It's very interesting to me that they think this alien thing is somehow less absurd than believing in one creator. And then they are all secretive about it, like it's some sort of knowledge that only they are allowed to know. And if you don't find it yourself, you are less than them.

I tell you, alien believers, you are being deceived. Your pride is so encompassing of you, that "The Liar" has free reign in you.

You are all so restrained in saying what you supposedly believe. Doesn't that send up a red flag in your minds? And further, why are so many of you always browsing threads about Christianity? For something you claim to despise so much, you sure spend a bunch of your time on these threads...it's like you delight in jumping on the people bashing bandwagons...especially Christians. Let me tell you, that's a spirit that's delighting in these things...not you. But you are letting that spirit use you. And it's not a good spirit, and certainly not the Holy Spirit of YHWH.
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lol...

Even your own bible declares there was more than one of the Eloheem that created humankind, the US in Genesis, but the church you so support keeps all that secret!!

When you crawl out of the kiddie sandbox and realize that Earth's Eloheem are not the creators of all things, you'll be well on the road to true wisdom, until then, it's the dark ages for you grasshopper!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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I see.

It's very interesting to me that they think this alien thing is somehow less absurd than believing in one creator. And then they are all secretive about it, like it's some sort of knowledge that only they are allowed to know. And if you don't find it yourself, you are less than them.

I tell you, alien believers, you are being deceived. Your pride is so encompassing of you, that "The Liar" has free reign in you.

You are all so restrained in saying what you supposedly believe. Doesn't that send up a red flag in your minds? And further, why are so many of you always browsing threads about Christianity? For something you claim to despise so much, you sure spend a bunch of your time on these threads...it's like you delight in jumping on the people bashing bandwagons...especially Christians. Let me tell you, that's a spirit that's delighting in these things...not you. But you are letting that spirit use you. And it's not a good spirit, and certainly not the Holy Spirit of YHWH.



lol...

Even your own bible declares there was more than one of the Eloheem that created humankind, the US in Genesis, but the church you so support keeps all that secret!!

When you crawl out of the kiddie sandbox and realize that Earth's Eloheem are not the creators of all things, you'll be well on the road to true wisdom, until then, it's the dark ages for you grasshopper!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


I support no church.

Please HT, tell me what you believe. I seriously want to know. Why the secrets? I am open about my beliefs. How can I trust someone who has secrets? Tell me man. I'm open and listening. Tell me how to get out of the "Dark Ages." I want to know.
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I see.

It's very interesting to me that they think this alien thing is somehow less absurd than believing in one creator. And then they are all secretive about it, like it's some sort of knowledge that only they are allowed to know. And if you don't find it yourself, you are less than them.

I tell you, alien believers, you are being deceived. Your pride is so encompassing of you, that "The Liar" has free reign in you.

You are all so restrained in saying what you supposedly believe. Doesn't that send up a red flag in your minds? And further, why are so many of you always browsing threads about Christianity? For something you claim to despise so much, you sure spend a bunch of your time on these threads...it's like you delight in jumping on the people bashing bandwagons...especially Christians. Let me tell you, that's a spirit that's delighting in these things...not you. But you are letting that spirit use you. And it's not a good spirit, and certainly not the Holy Spirit of YHWH.



lol...

Even your own bible declares there was more than one of the Eloheem that created humankind, the US in Genesis, but the church you so support keeps all that secret!!

When you crawl out of the kiddie sandbox and realize that Earth's Eloheem are not the creators of all things, you'll be well on the road to true wisdom, until then, it's the dark ages for you grasshopper!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


I support no church.

Please HT, tell me what you believe. I seriously want to know. Why the secrets? I am open about my beliefs. How can I trust someone who has secrets? Tell me man. I'm open and listening. Tell me how to get out of the "Dark Ages." I want to know.
 Quoting: TurnOffYourTV


I have no secrets!!

The story I have to tell is at most ill received, and not without good reasons, but it takes an open mind, one willing to discard the shackles of indoctrination, to see with new and proper sight!!

Once again I have no secrets, I don't know where you get that!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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I see.

It's very interesting to me that they think this alien thing is somehow less absurd than believing in one creator. And then they are all secretive about it, like it's some sort of knowledge that only they are allowed to know. And if you don't find it yourself, you are less than them.

I tell you, alien believers, you are being deceived. Your pride is so encompassing of you, that "The Liar" has free reign in you.

You are all so restrained in saying what you supposedly believe. Doesn't that send up a red flag in your minds? And further, why are so many of you always browsing threads about Christianity? For something you claim to despise so much, you sure spend a bunch of your time on these threads...it's like you delight in jumping on the people bashing bandwagons...especially Christians. Let me tell you, that's a spirit that's delighting in these things...not you. But you are letting that spirit use you. And it's not a good spirit, and certainly not the Holy Spirit of YHWH.



lol...

Even your own bible declares there was more than one of the Eloheem that created humankind, the US in Genesis, but the church you so support keeps all that secret!!

When you crawl out of the kiddie sandbox and realize that Earth's Eloheem are not the creators of all things, you'll be well on the road to true wisdom, until then, it's the dark ages for you grasshopper!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


I support no church.

Please HT, tell me what you believe. I seriously want to know. Why the secrets? I am open about my beliefs. How can I trust someone who has secrets? Tell me man. I'm open and listening. Tell me how to get out of the "Dark Ages." I want to know.


I have no secrets!!

The story I have to tell is at most ill received, and not without good reasons, but it takes an open mind, one willing to discard the shackles of indoctrination, to see with new and proper sight!!

Once again I have no secrets, I don't know where you get that!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



Nobody's mind is without shackles. But I consider myself to have few. My mind is open...Tell me your story, or enough of it that I can search on my own. It might be ill received, but please don't paint me with that brush, that's my decision to receive it or not...not yours. I am, in earnest, asking you to point me to to what will lead me out of the dark ages. I am willing, shackles are the very thing I'm trying to rid myself of. If your story is the truth, should it not matter how it is received? Do you not want to share the truth? Is that not why you are here on GLP and on these "Religious Threads," to learn or lead others to the truth... Plant a seed man, how do you know it will not help me. I am asking you to teach me.

I am serious. Will you or not?

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I have no secrets!!

The story I have to tell is at most ill received, and not without good reasons, but it takes an open mind, one willing to discard the shackles of indoctrination, to see with new and proper sight!!

Once again I have no secrets, I don't know where you get that!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!



Nobody's mind is without shackles. But I consider myself to have few. My mind is open...Tell me your story, or enough of it that I can search on my own. It might be ill received, but please don't paint me with that brush, that's my decision to receive it or not...not yours. I am, in earnest, asking you to point me to to what will lead me out of the dark ages. I am willing, shackles are the very thing I'm trying to rid myself of. If your story is the truth, should it not matter how it is received? Do you not want to share the truth? Plant a seed man, how do you know it will not help me. I am asking you to teach me.

I am serious. Will you or not?
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Very well, a brief synopsis in hopes to get you on your way!!

First you must accept and realize that this universe is very ancient, it has always been here, and it is crawling with countless intelligent life forms, of which the Eloheem are part of!!

Earth itself had life long before the Adams and Eves, even your own scriptures paints a limited view of this reality!!

Jeremiah's vision
Jer.4 :

23: I beheld the earth, and, lo, it became without form, and the heavens, and they had no light.
24: I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25: I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26: I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down...(Jer.4:23-26)

In the original Hebrew we have a revealing statement that confirms this as well!!

And the earth became formless and void." The Hebrew word translated "was formless" in English versions of the Bible is "tohu-va-bohu" a verb which means, "to lay waste, or totally destroyed". (Genesis 1:2)

Immanuel Velikovsky's one time suppressed material, discloses the fact that at one time civilizations remember a time the Earth had no moon, before the Eloheem set the lesser light in the sky!!

Earth Without the Moon: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

The Sumerian creation stories confirm this as well in the following:

"The reptiles verily descend. The Earth is resplendent as a well-watered garden, and at that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared. Daylight did not shine. Moonlight had not emerged.

The Eloheem were attempting to rebuild Earth from a previous cataclysm that destroyed most of the life on this planet!!

The Eloheem were about 600 in number in the final stages, and 1/3 rebelled in the end, 200 of them, over humankind!!

Your own scriptures confirm that the Eloheem needed help:

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (Gen 2:5)

There was no man to till the ground, and other ancient texts confirm the purpose and the need of humankind to service, or slave for the god(s), plural!!

"The reptiles verily descend. The Earth is resplendent as a well-watered garden, and at that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared. Daylight did not shine. Moonlight had not emerged." (See link)

"I shall establish a savage. Man will be his name. Verily, savage-man I shall create. He will be charged with the service of the Gods, that they might be at ease." (Sumerian Creation Epic)

Let us make him who shall nourish and sustain us. What shall we do to be invoked, to be remembered in earth? We have tried with our first creatures, but we could not make them venerate us. So then, let us try to make obedient, respectful beings, who shall nourish and sustain us. (The Maya Popul Vuh)

We, modern day man were created as a slave race!!


Shall I continue, or am I wasting my time?

___________

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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.

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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.
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Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?
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Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?


Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.
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I do not deny that Jesus would talk to anybody who wants to truly seek him. But there were also times he did not answer. And, there were times he left places because the people would not hear him. I am sure you are aware of that.

So, I think if a person decides not to give a public platform to a person to promote their strange gods, this decision does not equate to that person being contrary to Christ, nor does it necessarily equate to disrespect.

Can you agree with that?
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.
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Earth's Ancient Wars!!

These Eloheem fought amongst themselves for supremacy and YHVH/Jehovah won!!

Earth had an Atomic war!!

Nuclear Reactors Nearly Two Billion Years Old!!
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Ancient Atomic Warfare.. Craters Created by Explosions Across The Globe Have Been Mapped Out!!
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Who was this Jehovah?

"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods

Strongs Hebrew lexicon # 430; Elohim literally means gods, or even more accurately, mighty ones!!

The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones (mighty ones) which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible

The christian god was only one of the mighty ones!!

NOT the TRUE CREATOR of all!!

Jehovah/YHVH Was Only One Of The Mighty Ones, Not The TRUE CREATOR!!
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The History of Jehovah: Secret Identity of Israel's Yahweh Revealed!!
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Who is Satan based upon?

One of the Eloheem known by many names!

Christians, Meet Your Lucifer!!!
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The Prince of Tyre, Son of Satan, The King of Tyre!!!
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Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!
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The Biblical King-Of-Tyre = Quin-o-taur/Poseidon
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There were many Eloheem, 600 in number!!

Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?


Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.


I do not deny that Jesus would talk to anybody who wants to truly seek him. But there were also times he did not answer. And, there were times he left places because the people would not hear him. I am sure you are aware of that.

So, I think if a person decides not to give a public platform to a person to promote their strange gods, this decision does not equate to that person being contrary to Christ, nor does it necessarily equate to disrespect.

Can you agree with that?
 Quoting: ornithos


Yes, I can agree with that. And you are right. I'm just trying to hear HT out. I can't agree or disagree with his beliefs if I don't even know what they are. I was just asking everyone to give Him a chance to speak freely. Because I am genuinely interested in his perception of the truth.

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Thank you HT for your time and honesty. I will dig in to this later. That's a lot of stuff. But I surely will.

Peace.
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?


Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.


I do not deny that Jesus would talk to anybody who wants to truly seek him. But there were also times he did not answer. And, there were times he left places because the people would not hear him. I am sure you are aware of that.

So, I think if a person decides not to give a public platform to a person to promote their strange gods, this decision does not equate to that person being contrary to Christ, nor does it necessarily equate to disrespect.

Can you agree with that?


Yes, I can agree with that. And you are right. I'm just trying to hear HT out. I can't agree or disagree with his beliefs if I don't even know what they are. I was just asking everyone to give Him a chance to speak freely. Because I am genuinely interested in his perception of the truth.
 Quoting: TurnOffYourTV


In turn, I fully acknowledge that it is not my place to advise you on your decision to explore that information. I know nothing about your specific calling, nor your personal relationship with Christ Jesus, and what he leads you to do.

I did not start talking to you to prove anything.

Just hoped that we could find understanding between two brethren, and agree in Christ. I think we have accomplished that here.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with, from what I can see from your posts, someone who appears to be a quite genuine person in their devotion to Christ Jesus.

Thanks.
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?


Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.


I do not deny that Jesus would talk to anybody who wants to truly seek him. But there were also times he did not answer. And, there were times he left places because the people would not hear him. I am sure you are aware of that.

So, I think if a person decides not to give a public platform to a person to promote their strange gods, this decision does not equate to that person being contrary to Christ, nor does it necessarily equate to disrespect.

Can you agree with that?


Yes, I can agree with that. And you are right. I'm just trying to hear HT out. I can't agree or disagree with his beliefs if I don't even know what they are. I was just asking everyone to give Him a chance to speak freely. Because I am genuinely interested in his perception of the truth.


In turn, I fully acknowledge that it is not my place to advise you on your decision to explore that information. I know nothing about your specific calling, nor your personal relationship with Christ Jesus, and what he leads you to do.

I did not start talking to you to prove anything.

Just hoped that we could find understanding between two brethren, and agree in Christ. I think we have accomplished that here.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with, from what I can see from your posts, someone who appears to be a quite genuine person in their devotion to Christ Jesus.

Thanks.
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Likewise.

And the reason I was asking people to lay off of HT is because it's not like he came here to spread this info, rather, I asked him to share it.

I assure you, I am devoted to the Holy Spirit. I just find it very hard to communicate with HT, and wanted to know who he is, and what his beliefs are.

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In turn, I fully acknowledge that it is not my place to advise you on your decision to explore that information. I know nothing about your specific calling, nor your personal relationship with Christ Jesus, and what he leads you to do.

I did not start talking to you to prove anything.

Just hoped that we could find understanding between two brethren, and agree in Christ. I think we have accomplished that here.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with, from what I can see from your posts, someone who appears to be a quite genuine person in their devotion to Christ Jesus.

Thanks.


Likewise.

And the reason I was asking people to lay off of HT is because it's not like he came here to spread this info, rather, I asked him to share it.

I assure you, I am devoted to the Holy Spirit. I just find it very hard to communicate with HT, and wanted to know who is, and what his beliefs are.
 Quoting: TurnOffYourTV



TV...

I appreciate that you are willing to chat about things in a laid back and welcoming spirit.

I say that because: Unfortuantely, there exists a tendency to become so into doctrine, or to misuse doctrine, that the person of Jesus gets lost. In scripture battles, doctrine wars, and the like I often see that those endless arguments go so far off the true purpose of the Gospel, that it becomes pointless.

In fact I have been, still am, and will be guilty of this tendency. My hope is that as I grow in Christ I continue to do that less and less.

I said that to say: I sense that you have not lost your love and enthusiasm for the person of Jesus. It is refreshing to see that balance. I hope our conversation has helped both of us to reflect on that very important understanding.
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Yes, please continue...I might need a bit to digest all of this, but I assure you, I will.

And please, I am asking all Christians to act as Christ and give HT some respect. I really want to know where he is...and what he knows.


Please don't take this the wrong way because I don't mean it spitefully.

Do you think Christ sat down in the company of people that believed in strange gods for the purpose of those people having opportunity to explain all about their strange gods? Or did he sit down in their company for another reason?

I know that what you are requesting here is for 'Christians' to not attack this poster.

Do you think you would have to instruct a genuine follower of Christ on how to behave as Christ?

Who are you really speaking to when you ask for respect for this poster?


Well, I do think Christ would sit and listen to anybody...and I believe he did. I am not instructing anybody, just asking. I know a lot of self proclaimed Christians that would in fact act disrespectful to HT.


I do not deny that Jesus would talk to anybody who wants to truly seek him. But there were also times he did not answer. And, there were times he left places because the people would not hear him. I am sure you are aware of that.

So, I think if a person decides not to give a public platform to a person to promote their strange gods, this decision does not equate to that person being contrary to Christ, nor does it necessarily equate to disrespect.

Can you agree with that?


Yes, I can agree with that. And you are right. I'm just trying to hear HT out. I can't agree or disagree with his beliefs if I don't even know what they are. I was just asking everyone to give Him a chance to speak freely. Because I am genuinely interested in his perception of the truth.


In turn, I fully acknowledge that it is not my place to advise you on your decision to explore that information. I know nothing about your specific calling, nor your personal relationship with Christ Jesus, and what he leads you to do.

I did not start talking to you to prove anything.

Just hoped that we could find understanding between two brethren, and agree in Christ. I think we have accomplished that here.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with, from what I can see from your posts, someone who appears to be a quite genuine person in their devotion to Christ Jesus.

Thanks.
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You may have acknowledge it for the sake of peace, but you sure didn't hesitate to inject your strong arm views in an attempt to control his free will of reading whatever material he so desires!!

You know what you can do with your holier than thou thought process!!

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YOM & The Length of Creation?

Very well, a brief synopsis in hopes to get you on your way!!

First you must accept and realize that this universe is very ancient, it has always been here, and it is crawling with countless intelligent life forms, of which the Eloheem are part of!!

Earth itself had life long before the Adams and Eves, even your own scriptures paints a limited view of this reality!!

Jeremiah's vision
Jer.4 :

23: I beheld the earth, and, lo, it became without form, and the heavens, and they had no light. 
24: I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 
25: I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 
26: I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down...(Jer.4:23-26) 

In the original Hebrew we have a revealing statement that confirms this as well!!

And the earth became formless and void." The Hebrew word translated "was formless" in English versions of the Bible is "tohu-va-bohu" a verb which means, "to lay waste, or totally destroyed". (Genesis 1:2)
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First some background info:

The Symbolism of the Hebrew Language
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Some individuals interpret scriptures to say that the Creation was done in six 24-hour days. Does Abraham’s usage of “time” lead us to understand that the Creation was not confined to six 24-hour days as we know them?

Some readers of the Bible believe the Creation of the earth took six 24-hour days. Others refer to Peter’s statement “that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Pet. 3:8) as evidence that the Creation may have taken 6,000 years.

Latter-day Saints have additional information that allows a third view—that each “day” of the Creation was of unspecified duration and that the Creation of the earth took place during an unknown length of time. Abraham stresses that day is synonymous with time. For example, Abraham 4:8 summarizes the second creative period by stating that “this was the second time that they called night and day.” This usage is consistent with ancient Hebrew. 

The Hebrew word YOM, often translated day, can also mean “time” or “period.” In other words, the term translated day in Genesis could be appropriately read as “period.”

Also, the term day is used in scripture to indicate a period of time in which the labor of God is to be performed. Day in this sense is usually contrasted with night or darkness, wherein labor is ceased. For example, the Savior said, “I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work” (John 9:4; see also John 11:9–10). 

The Book of Mormon also contains this ancient usage. In Alma 34:32–33, Amulek warns: “The day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. …

“I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.”

These scriptures suggest that the word day is used to describe periods of varying lengths. Elder Bruce R. McConkie explained, “There is no revealed recitation specifying that each of the ‘six days’ involved in the Creation was of the same duration”.

The accounts of the Creation were clearly given to us for reasons other than determining the “how” and the “how long” of creation. A more rewarding approach is to read these accounts to discover what they tell us concerning God’s work and glory. - [link to www.lds.org]

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Thank you for all your contributions of this conversation dispute the mix up. I realize now the terms "Rock the foundation is not terms I should use... Ever. We are not here to disprove your faith, but simply share ours with those willing to listen.

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