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The Convergence of 2012 Part 1

 
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The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
by Mary Miller, Koinonia Institute

As 2009 is rapidly passing, I have been approached by many friends asking, “What do you think of all of this 2012 non-sense?” I had to admit I hadn’t given it much thought except for the attention to the Mayan Long Calendar I had studied years ago (many years ago) in college.

Needless to say, soon after these conversations, everything that crossed my desk had “2012” somewhere in the title or the summary. I started to research what is behind this 2012 phenomenon, which is building steam even as this article is being written.

What began as a study of the year 2012 quickly turned into a study of cycles. What many have come to believe throughout the generations as the apocalyptic end of our age as defined in the Mayan culture and calendars is actually a stunning convergence of cycles.

Cycles impact our everyday life. Many of which are so in-grained in our daily routines we do not even think about them. The definitions of these cycles and the impact of their convergence on the times in which we live are the focus of this series.

Definition

Most of us have been taught to think linearly, as in the use of historical time lines, to explain where mankind has been in history, where we are now, and where we are headed in the future. The challenge of this study is to begin to think cyclically; life as a grouping of cycles and patterns.

The following definitions are excerpted from Definitions and Concepts used in Cycle Study, by Edward R. Dewey, founder of the Cycles Research Institute. The Greek word for cycle is kyklos (a ring, circle, cycle): a complete course of operation returning to its original state. Associated with the study of cycles are the words “order,” “pat-tern,” and “rhythm.”

The Latin word for “order” is ordo (order): conformity to law. The Latin word for “pattern” is pater (patron, father): an arrangement or composition that suggests or reveals a design; a configuration; formal or regular arrangement. The Greek word for “rhythm” is rhythmos (measured motion): movement marked by reasonably regular recurrence, or reasonably regularity of alternation.

Topical cycles currently being studied by this Institute include: astronomy, biology, chemistry, climate, harmonics, geology, history, wave structure of matter, social trends, lunar, solar, war, commodities, currencies, economics, markets, stock trading, astrology, and religion, just to name a few.

Interestingly, this Institute’s study of cycles, although secular in nature, fully supports the intelligent design of God’s plan.

Cycles in Creation

Within the creation story of Genesis, cycles are first defined. The cycle of the day is defined:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:5

The cycles of days, weeks, months, years, and “appointed times” or feasts with the Lord are defined:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Genesis 1:14

These cycles are often taught as circles within circles, the innermost circle representing the smallest unit of a cycle. For instance, the inner circle could represent days. When seven days are reached, a cycle of weeks is started in the next larger circle. When four weeks are reached, a cycle of months is started in the next larger circle, and so forth.

Bill Cloud presented the concept of a cycle in his presentation “Light in a Dark Place.” In Hebrew, the letter Samekh is written in cursive as a circle, “o.” Interestingly, this letter means “to support” and has a numeric value of 60. Time is represented by the hands of a clock going in a circle—60 seconds to make a minute; 60 minutes to make an hour. Time does not march in a straight line; it is represented by increasing measurements of repeating cycles.

Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote, “Our life is an apprenticeship to the truth that around every circle another can be drawn; that there is no end in nature, but every end is a be-ginning.”

“Signs” in the Sky

Scripturally, the “end” has been foretold from the beginning—another cycle. This is a foundational concept to under-stand, as it relates to the natural cycles of our lives and the universal cycles God placed in the observable heavens.

Prior to the written Scriptures, the story of man’s redemption was placed in the stars in what the Hebrews came to call the Mazzaroth—the original understanding of the constella-tions in the sky.

We have no doubt as to God’s hand in the creation of the heavenlies as He poses His questions to Job:

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst though bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Job 38:31-33


Although scholars vary in some of the particulars, the general understanding of the original zodiac defines the chronicle of redemption as: Ancient Civilizations Interpret the Constellations.

This incredible prophecy was, however, corrupted in Babylon with a “different zodiac.” When the tower of Babel was destroyed, the people scattered, and the language confounded—a form of the corrupted story traveled with them.

In addition to changing the definition of the stars, some ancient civilizations have been considered expert in tracking the movement of the constellations in relation to the earth and the cycles of time.

Archaeological finds have found similar zodiacs and stories of former and future world cycles in the Hopi Indian Tribe of North America; the Hindu traditions of ancient India; the Mayan civilizations of Mexico, Guatemala, and Belize; the Aztec civilization of central Mexico; and the Inca civilization of Peru, among others.

With the advent of 20th-century science, proponents of the intelligence of these ancient societies endorsed the meanings of their calendars and prophecies. Characteristics in common among these include the tracking of an approximate 26,000-year cycle for the “precession of the equinoxes” (the time it takes for the earth to journey through the 12 constellations) and a smaller “world age” cycle of 5,125 years. The one eye-catching similarity in their stories, their zodiacs, and the end of their current “world cycle” is the year 2012. However, unlike the popular press of the anticipated apocalyptic end of time, it is actually interpreted as simply the end of the current cycle, which means it is also the beginning of a new one.


Even traditional scholars, extrapolating from the cycles of human history, have reasoned that the coming years will be extraordinary.

Next month in Part 2 we will look at the cyclic peaks anticipated in 2012, from the studies of the Cycles Research Institute, and other trends that are heading for a convergence.
This article was originally published in the
September 2009 Personal Update NewsJournal.
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**NOTES**

Sources:



Braden, Gregg. Fractal Time: The Secret of 2012 and the New World Age. United States: Hay House, 2009.



Compilation of Essays. The Mystery of 2012: Predictions, Prophecies & Possibilities. Boulder, CO: Sounds True, Inc. 2007, 2009.



Melchizedek, Drunvalo. Serpent of Light: Beyond 2012. San Francisco, CA: Red Wheel/Weiser, 2007.



Peterson, John L. A Vision for 2012: Planning for Extraordinary Change. Golden, CO: Fulcrum Publishing, 2008.
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Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.
 Quoting: Lens Flare



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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 Quoting: Bowman 741104


Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?
 Quoting: Lens Flare


Like the article states, a cycle is ending and another one begins....What all will happen regarding this I don't know but I'm sure it has to do with the world changing as we know it...
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?
 Quoting: Lens Flare


yea i ll bet on that for you the only thing thats gona make it look like something happened in 2012 is doom? yet this is not the case 2012 is a year when the new age begins we are no longer negative . we respect each and everyone we are all spiritual instead of being religious. these are the major changes that are going to take place in 2012
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?
 Quoting: Lens Flare



Define unusual.


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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?



Define unusual.


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 Quoting: Bowman 741104


Ok:

There will be no 'end of the world'.

No catastrophic earthquake resulting in the end of humanity(except the normal ones that occur regularly)

No pole shift resulting in a loss of life, even minimally.

No armageddon.

No asteroid strike.

No Doom. Period. (except what normally occurs...wars, etc).

In fact...nothing even noticeable that will prompt people to say...'Hey...this happened because it's 2012!"
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?



Define unusual.


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Ok:

There will be no 'end of the world'.

No catastrophic earthquake resulting in the end of humanity(except the normal ones that occur regularly)

No pole shift resulting in a loss of life, even minimally.

No armageddon.

No asteroid strike.

No Doom. Period. (except what normally occurs...wars, etc).

In fact...nothing even noticeable that will prompt people to say...'Hey...this happened because it's 2012!"
 Quoting: Lens Flare

you know why your saying that rite? so it can happen you know dam well u want it to happen thats why you keep using your power of negativity
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Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


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Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?


yea i ll bet on that for you the only thing thats gona make it look like something happened in 2012 is doom? yet this is not the case 2012 is a year when the new age begins we are no longer negative . we respect each and everyone we are all spiritual instead of being religious. these are the major changes that are going to take place in 2012
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757673


Did you know that, according to a great many astrological charts, the so-called 'age of aquarius' is not even due to start for another several hundred years.

It's not in 2012.

Show me one good source.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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No, I don't believe the Mayans were timing doom. Actually they are publicly comming out now and dismissing how western culture perceives it as doom (thanks Bible:Revelations, History Channel).

It will be a consciousness changing event. To the point where it will be the end of the world as we know it.

Should I make the wager?

Well, let's look at money

Money used to be gold/silver.

Then it evolved to paper receipts representing the gold/silver.

Then it was just paper.

And now the majority of the world's 'weath' takes residence inside of computer circuits.

Money was tangible. Now it's abstract.

Do you think money is going away?

Looks like it is.

At an accelarated pace!

The way I see it, it is a useless bet.


Hmm. Maybe the Mayans and other indiginous people have more of a clue then most 'civilized' people.


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No, I don't believe the Mayans were timing doom. Actually they are publicly comming out now and dismissing how western culture perceives it as doom (thanks Bible:Revelations, History Channell).

It will be a consciousness changing event. To the point where it will be the end of the world as we know it.

Should I make the wager?


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


There will be no 'consciousness changing event' in 2012.


Maybe you should save this thread to your bookmarks, and look back on it on January 1st, 2013.

It is only 2 years away from now.



Or perhaps you would like to take the wager?

We could both arrange with Trinity to deposit 1,000 dollars into a paypal account, to be overseen only by him.

Whoever is shown to be right on January 1st, 2013, takes all.


I tell you again clearly:

There will be nothing that happens in 2012 that could be classed as 'unusual, cataclysmic, or a consciousness-changing event).



Peace.

And don't worry. Nothing will happen.

(but the bet still stands, if you want it).



afro
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
Nothing will happen in 2012, so don't get your hopes (or fears) up.



You keep predicting this. Yet when presented with the material you just proclaim 'wall-o-text' and move on.

Conditioned response I suspect.


------


Do you wish to bet me a thousand dollars that nothing unusual will happen in 2012?



Define unusual.


------


Ok:

There will be no 'end of the world'.

No catastrophic earthquake resulting in the end of humanity(except the normal ones that occur regularly)

No pole shift resulting in a loss of life, even minimally.

No armageddon.

No asteroid strike.

No Doom. Period. (except what normally occurs...wars, etc).

In fact...nothing even noticeable that will prompt people to say...'Hey...this happened because it's 2012!"

you know why your saying that rite? so it can happen you know dam well u want it to happen thats why you keep using your power of negativity
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757673



LoL.

With respect, that is just silly.

I have said all along that nothing will happen in 2012.

No Doom whatsoever. None.

It is the 2012 Doom-mongers who have been saying so.


I have no wish at all to see any Doom in 2012. No financial collapse..no WWW III..no plague...nothing.

I have got a life to live. Work to do. Children to bring up.


No wish for Doom.

And Doom won't happen in 2012.

That much is for sure.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Re: The Convergence of 2012 Part 1
No, I don't believe the Mayans were timing doom. Actually they are publicly comming out now and dismissing how western culture perceives it as doom (thanks Bible:Revelations, History Channell).

It will be a consciousness changing event. To the point where it will be the end of the world as we know it.

Should I make the wager?


------


There will be no 'consciousness changing event' in 2012.


Maybe you should save this thread to your bookmarks, and look back on it on January 1st, 2013.

It is only 2 years away from now.



Or perhaps you would like to take the wager?

We could both arrange with Trinity to deposit 1,000 dollars into a paypal account, to be overseen only by him.

Whoever is shown to be right on January 1st, 2013, takes all.


I tell you again clearly:

There will be nothing that happens in 2012 that could be classed as 'unusual, cataclysmic, or a consciousness-changing event).



Peace.

And don't worry. Nothing will happen.

(but the bet still stands, if you want it).



afro
 Quoting: Lens Flare




The inception of the Internet & free trade were conscious changing events. Planetwide.

The inception of stock exchanges, courts, schools, media were consciousness changing events. Nationwide.

The inception of agriculture and and city states were consciousness changing events. Culturally.

All manifesting around a structure in which things are speeding up by a factor of 20. That is a PATTERN. I have no motivation to take your money because it will be useless.

Everyone knows the system is broken, Lens.

The last thing that will occur is 'business as usual' ad infinitum.

It's happening right now as we speak. The old systems are breaking down.


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Everyone knows the system is broken, Lens.

The last thing that will occur is 'business as usual' ad infinitum.

 Quoting: BOWMAN



Truer words have rarely been spoken.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.





GLP