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How to you explain the concept of predestination that is written about frequently in the bible?

Also, where did the zombies (also called Saints in the bible) described in the book of Matthew come from and where did they go?
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PREDESTINATION. Are you sure you want to get into that???
It is one of the hardest to comprehend, but we will give it a shot.

Ephesians 1:4-5
4) "According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.
5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself according to the good pleasure of His will".

The key of course to this is Jesus Christ. "IN HIM". In union with Christ. Apart from Christ there would have been no election and no salvation.

God always deals with man in Christ. YES, even back to Genesis 1:1. (Colossian 1:16-17).

BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD = Gods choice was eternal and His plan is timeless. The Fall of man was not a surprise to God and redemptation was not an afterthought. God provided salvation before even one star was hung in space.

NOW.........Election is NOT a fatalistic doctrine in which God elects some to heaven and some to hell. THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO BIBLICAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT THOUGHT.
That thought is a man centered one. It comes from the idea of man that for every action there is a REACTION. In other words, "If God elects some to go to heaven, THEN THAT MEANS SOME ARE ELECTED TO HELL".

God's election provides for the means as well as the ends. God's infallible Word plainly tells us:

Romans 10:13..
"For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall
be saved".

John 3:16...
" For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only
begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should
not perish but have everlasting life".

Man, you and I, either receives or rejects God's provisions in Christ for our salvation. So far as the human race is concerned, EVERY PERSON may not only accept Christ but there are in fact urged and invited to do so. The basis or the ground of this invitation is the work of the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here it comes, ready??? Divine FOREORDINATION and human freedom are humanly irreconcilable,but are like two parallel lines that meet in infinity, they have there meeting in God.

The purpose then of Gods election then is stated as, THAT WE SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME BEFORE HIM IN LOVE.
That tells us that God's elective grace is not "pie in the sky, by and by", but it has to do with a seperated life here and now. (Romans 8:29)
Holiness is the positive side of a life lived like Christ.
(Hebrews 12:14). That does not mean "sinless" but rather STAINLESS.

The purpose then of predestination is thet we should experience SONSHIP. By means of Christs mediation and for His own to serve Him and glorify Him, ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD WILL IT WAS RIGHT FOR HIM TO DO THIS.

This is a lot to digest and I pray that God will allow you to see this great plan He has for you and me.

Ta...DA!!!!!!!! Once again the literal, baby Christian comes through for you. tomato
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Also, where did the zombies (also called Saints in the bible) described in the book of Matthew come from and where did they go?
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You know, it would be a great help to list the verses you are talking about if you want an answer, my friend.

I looked up "zombies" in my New Testament dictionary and it jusr was not there. Try again.
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21   Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
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This talk is one of my favorite three given in this decade, as it also discusses "The Lord's Timing" = see the deception continues to crumble. 

MC
 Quoting: MagiChristmas


These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.
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God chooses us..we can accept the call of the Holy Spirit or reject it. As usual, carnal interpreters go around and around..another Pharisee know it all on a merry go round.
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What was Jesus's mission on earth, and did He succeed?


To seek and save the lost.

Romans 3:23
"All have sinned and come shoert of the approval of God".

Yes He did. He died on the cross to make redemption psssible to all that will accept what He did for them.


Are you sure? Shepherds don't just save the sheep that want to be saved. Shepherds save all their sheep. You say that Jesus came "to seek and save the lost", and that He succeeded. But then you imply that he only made salvation "possible to all that will accept what He did".

First you say that Jesus came to save the lost and that he succeeded, then you say that people are still lost until they do something, viz: accept Jesus. Did Jesus succeed in saving the lost, or do the lost still have to do something to get saved?

Do sheep really have the power to decide whether the Good Shepherd saves them or not? Surely the Shepherd decides. And goats can't turn into sheep either, no matter how much they might want to.

Tares don't convert into wheat. Wheat is born wheat, and stays wheat for its whole life.
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First of all I didnt say anything!!!

To answer you question of am I sure...ABSOLUTLY!!!

Redemption is God driven and made POSSIBLE for everyone.
That is His plan of buying you back from the penality of sin. It is in place. It is there for you. It is a gift.

But like all gifts, to be a gift it must be received.
YOU must CHOOSE the plan God has put in place to allow that process to take place. That is Jesus Christ.

Your next question is of course NO. What must a person do to be lost and go to hell??? NOTHING!!!!!!!
Every single Bible student will tell you that we are born with a sin nature. To be saved from the penality of being a sinner one must MAKE a CHOICE. We are allowed by God to make the choice of our eternal home, heaven or hell and the basis of that choice is the love of God in Christ in that "WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, CHRIST DIED FOR US."

Nice try on the wheat and tares thing. The truth of course is that sheep and wheat are not human beings are they.
Of course when one plants a rose bush, he will get roses.
IT IS A PLANT.
Cows have cows.
Birds have birds.
Cows and birds and plants stay that way because they do not have a sprit or a soul.

Humans have souls and spirits. It is our spirit that Christ made possible to be cleansed by His shed blood. That cleaning is only made possible by invitation from the one with a sin nature WHO MAKES A CHOICE THAT HE WANTS TO GO TO HEANVEN INSTEAD OF HELL.

Thank you for the opportunity to once again get out the Word of God to a world wide audience. If you are reading this stuff, and you are a Christian, take just a second to pray for those who ask these questions that they will keep on. Do you not see that by such questions, the Gospel of Jesus is getting read out there?????

Thanks OP for starting this thread. You did good!!!!!
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Major, you say Matthew 3:13 but that says only that Jesus came from Galilee to Jordan unto John to be baptized. No mention of any travel to Egypt. I have King James Version.
 Quoting: Sirius One



Yes I know. I listed the wong chapter. It is Chapter 2 of Matt. I correct it in another post.

Thanks. You will be my age one day and you too will forget why you went into the bathroom.

Bless you.
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Read this, and decide for yourself what Jesus's mission was, and whether He succeeded.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn its people. He sent him to save them! (John 3:17)
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CONTEXT!!!

List it all, not what you want to, to make a point.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (Choice) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
17) For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him might be saved".
18) He that believeth on Him is not condemned, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD".

Frankly speaking, I am having a problem trying to follow the logic here. It is Biblically without question that Christ came to save the lost and all humans are lost and dead in the sight of God until they are QUICKENED/SAVED/ MADE ALIVE(Ephesians 2:1-4) by Christ in them who is the hope of glory.

Maybe someone else can respond to this better than me.
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nope! you're doing great!!

But the spirit can get worn down and you need to take a break some times........
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Major, you say Matthew 3:13 but that says only that Jesus came from Galilee to Jordan unto John to be baptized. No mention of any travel to Egypt. I have King James Version.



Yes I know. I listed the wong chapter. It is Chapter 2 of Matt. I correct it in another post.

Thanks. You will be my age one day and you too will forget why you went into the bathroom.

Bless you.
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Guess what? I may already be your age!
Knowledge protects.
Ignorance endangers.
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nope! you're doing great!!

But the spirit can get worn down and you need to take a break some times........
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You are so good to me. I hope my wife doen't find out. hf
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Major, you say Matthew 3:13 but that says only that Jesus came from Galilee to Jordan unto John to be baptized. No mention of any travel to Egypt. I have King James Version.



Yes I know. I listed the wong chapter. It is Chapter 2 of Matt. I correct it in another post.

Thanks. You will be my age one day and you too will forget why you went into the bathroom.

Bless you.



Guess what? I may already be your age!
 Quoting: Sirius One


You show me yours and I will show you mine.
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21   Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

This talk is one of my favorite three given in this decade, as it also discusses "The Lord's Timing" = see the deception continues to crumble. 

MC


These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.
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Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation.

spock The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
Thread: Myths About the Bible - UPDATE = Add Myth # 8 - doctors of Mythology respond?

Here is a link to the KJV with inspired headings, footnotes, index, and cross-references. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Pay Particular Attention to the JST corrections. note

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Redemption is God driven and made POSSIBLE for everyone.
That is His plan of buying you back from the penality of sin. It is in place. It is there for you. It is a gift.

But like all gifts, to be a gift it must be received.
YOU must CHOOSE the plan God has put in place to allow that process to take place. That is Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Major 574846


The bible says opposite. Nobody seeks after God, and that it is God that shows mercy, "not of him that willeth". You can't "will" your way into heaven, any more than you can work your way into heaven.

Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Romans 3:10-11: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Nice try on the wheat and tares thing. The truth of course is that sheep and wheat are not human beings are they.
Of course when one plants a rose bush, he will get roses.
IT IS A PLANT.
Cows have cows.
Birds have birds.
Cows and birds and plants stay that way because they do not have a sprit or a soul.
 Quoting: Major 574846


Nice try? Did you read about it in the bible? The tares and wheat don't change from one to the other, and neither do the sheep and the goats.

Tares and wheat: Matthew 13:24-30

Sheep and goats: Matthew 25:31-46



All people have disobeyed God, and that's why he treats them as prisoners. But he does this, so that he can have mercy on all of them. (Romans 11:32)


Everything comes from the Lord. All things were made because of him and will return to him. Praise the Lord forever! Amen. (Romans 11:36)


How does God treat His enemies?

But love your enemies and be good to them. Lend without expecting to be paid back. Then you will get a great reward, and you will be the true children of God in heaven. He is good even to people who are unthankful and cruel. Have pity on others, just as your Father has pity on you. (Luke 6:35-36)
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I'm confused about what happens after death. Ecclesiastes says something like "the dead know nothing", yet the NT says "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

Also confused about Gehenna/Sheol/Paradise.
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Doom with Divine purpose

How do you ask for a miracle?


 Psalms 91:14   Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 

  Psalms 91:15   He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 

Psalms 91:16   With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

  

I really appreciate your reply, but I have no idea what this means or how to apply it?


Part Two of my Previous Post. :pingu1::pingu1:

"it is often, the Lord's timing" & SPAM
Thread: Proving that nobody can get into heaven!
MC

What does this mean?  I clicked on that link and there was nothing to do with my original question.

PLEASE would you just give me a simple non theologian answer, not all of us are bible scholars. thankyou
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Here is an example, as is the 4.6 EQ on 4/6 in my sig line.
Often the answer lies in the observation. note
Simply know that God knows you personaly, knows your thoughts, the true intent of your heart and how to communicate with you if you will but pray with real intent. 


Your MN begins with 38

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

You are invincible.

And/Or A woman. laugh

Hi MagiChristmas... thanks.. I think wink


You were one of three with MN comprised  of 38, way back when.

Any Mathmeticians in the house that can solve equations of Probability?
Thread: Any Mathmeticians in the house that can solve equations of Probability?

AND NOW
Second Degree Doom Doth Ensue.

The TimeTable of Doom is so designed and deployed to disrupt all that is not really true.  Second Degree Doom is on schedule precisely as prescribed.  bat

$ BEST GUESS wins a 4-Month GLP Subscription $
Thread: $ BEST GUESS wins a 4-Month GLP Subscription $ The GLP EFFECT is overcome; a WINNER IS DECLARED as SECOND DEGREE DOOM DOTH ENSUE ! !

"Second Degree Doom shall ensue during a 38 day doom event window that began July 1st, per the TimeTable of Doom."

"Second Degree Doom is defined as 1000+ deaths."

Prescribed several months prior = look it up. chuckle

You recognized the truth then, and you're posts since haven't shown the need for medication beyond an occasional chill pill. wink

You have a great memory, MC.  I remember being interested in your math ideas, but then I was confused about what your intentions were with that "38" thing.

I appreciate your input and opinion.

hf
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After a few rounds of your aparent asperness after my maligning maloderous morons for their meaningless mumblings (that turned out to be meaningful in the context of this exercise) you said it best:

>>I believe you might be onto something, AsperGirl.

Yeah, no need to work up the math on this one.  
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This was an intelectual exercise to confirm the validity of the pattern upon which the TToD is based i. e. 38 MNs, etc. 

Now Second Degree Doom will not be so pleasent, although again there is no need to work up the math attempting to compute the probability of 1000+ deaths occuring during a prescribed 38 day doom event window. 

Not just any 38 day window, but during 38 days that began July 1st. More deaths would meet the prespecified criteria, but the divine influence has thus far chose to minimize human suffering while fulfilling the terms of the TimeTable of Doom.

Doom with Divine purpose.  Dove38

This is a link to the original post = Thread: A shrink wants to put me on anti-psychotic medication! (Page 4)

And this link clarifies why Doom will prove the existense of God to the unbelieving. = [link to www.schoolofabraham.com]

This post predates my Log of Direct Links so I am adding it now. = Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

It is refreshing for someone, in the words of Thomas Jefferon as echoed by Glenn Beck, to ASK HONEST QUESTIONS. = see the "deception continues to crumble" link for a video of Mr. Beck describing his "Church Tour" as only he can. laugh 

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Simply know that God knows you personaly, knows your thoughts, the true intent of your heart and how to communicate with you if you will but pray with real intent. 


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Differences aside, for you to know this along with Christ gives me hope. hf
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Read this, and decide for yourself what Jesus's mission was, and whether He succeeded.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn its people. He sent him to save them! (John 3:17)


CONTEXT!!!

List it all, not what you want to, to make a point.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (Choice) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
17) For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him might be saved".
18) He that believeth on Him is not condemned, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD".

Frankly speaking, I am having a problem trying to follow the logic here. It is Biblically without question that Christ came to save the lost and all humans are lost and dead in the sight of God until they are QUICKENED/SAVED/ MADE ALIVE(Ephesians 2:1-4) by Christ in them who is the hope of glory.

Maybe someone else can respond to this better than me.
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Jesus said that He came to save everything.

Everything and everyone that the Father has given me will come to me, and I won't turn any of them away. I didn't come from heaven to do what I want! I came to do what the Father wants me to do. He sent me, and he wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost. Instead, he wants me to raise them to life on the last day. My Father wants everyone who sees the Son to have faith in him and to have eternal life. Then I will raise them to life on the last day. (John 6:37-40)

Big churches will tell you that Jesus came to offer salvation to people who choose to follow Jesus. Those preachers will tell you that billions of people will be lost.

Jesus said that He came to make sure that nothing that was given to Him is lost. And Jesus said that He has been given everything, and that He succeeded in His mission.

What was His mission? To "offer salvation to the lost", or to "save the lost"? They are not the same thing.

The churches teach that billions of people will be lost. Surely if billions of people go to hell, that is a victory for Satan. How can it be complete victory for Jesus if billions of the people that He made are lost? Jesus said that His job is to make certain that none of what He has been given is lost.

Jesus said that He won't rest if there is even one sheep missing. He won't be satisfied with finding 99 sheep and losing one. He wants all his sheep. And He wants everything else that He owns as well. Otherwise, it won't be complete victory, will it?

Find where Jesus said what He came to do in the bible. Decide for yourself if you agree with what He said His mission is, and whether He succeeded. Do you think that Jesus had complete victory? If He did, then He must have done this successfully:

"He sent me, and he wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost."
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Why is lucifer the morning star?

Why does good, god, follow authority instead of purpose?


As I recall Jesus is the morning star.

Actually, god follows the will of men in most respects, but uses authority when they do evil.

the bible is actually quite unrestrictive (after christ) of most human behaviors. the only forbidden things after christ came are fornication and eating meat sacrificed to idols. thats it, believe it or not. We are not under the Old Testament laws now.

Most people have a faulty idea that the bible forbids fun etc. it is the most unrestrictive 'religion' out there.



Blakey,
You must be joking right?
Christianity is the NARROW road, and few be that find it.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman lust in your heart, you have commited audultery. Jesus made it very clear that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fufill it.

1 Corinthians 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

Please preach the Word.
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The bible also tells us that if we repent, and are faithful to ask the Lord to forgive us of our sins, he will be faithful and just to forgive those sins. We as people have over complicated Christianity (all religion really). Look on it as a child would. God is our father, and he loves us as your parents love you. If you screw up, your earthly parents forgive you and love you all the same, its the same with the Lord our God, he is just a better parent than any of us could be.

Our sins are the reason that Jesus was sent to us. Through Jesus we may gain entry into heaven. We don't have to be perfect, we just have to have faith.

I have total, unshakable faith that Jesus is my lord and savior. I have felt the presence of God, and know what it's like to turn from the path. I know the awesomeness of asking for forgiveness, and following feeling the Holy Spirit come over me. I know what it's like to bind a demon and cast it from my presence. It's a truly awesome experience when you feel them leave, but it takes total faith in God and Jesus.
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21   Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
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This talk is one of my favorite three given in this decade, as it also discusses "The Lord's Timing" = see the deception continues to crumble. 

MC


These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.


Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation.

spock The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
Thread: Myths About the Bible - UPDATE = Add Myth # 8 - doctors of Mythology respond?

Here is a link to the KJV with inspired headings, footnotes, index, and cross-references. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Pay Particular Attention to the JST corrections. :note:

MC
 Quoting: MagiChristmas


2 Tim. 3:16
"ALL of Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable fro doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness".

2 Peter 1:21
"For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".

Read Deut. again. Deut 4:2.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish augt from it, THAT YE MAY KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD YOUR GOD WHICH I COMMAND YOU".

CONTEXT!!!!!

The command hear makes a clear distinction between the WORD OF GOD AND THE WORD OF MAN. (MATT. 5:17-19).

The following is simply not true.......................
"We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of REVELATION."

The gospel of John was written by John in 85 AD.
IT is the last of the gospels.

Revelation was written by John in 95-96 while in exile on the island of Patmos.

LXX pg 34.f/.. McHenry's Expository 785, and many many more.
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Read this, and decide for yourself what Jesus's mission was, and whether He succeeded.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn its people. He sent him to save them! (John 3:17)


CONTEXT!!!

List it all, not what you want to, to make a point.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (Choice) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
17) For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him might be saved".
18) He that believeth on Him is not condemned, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD".

Frankly speaking, I am having a problem trying to follow the logic here. It is Biblically without question that Christ came to save the lost and all humans are lost and dead in the sight of God until they are QUICKENED/SAVED/ MADE ALIVE(Ephesians 2:1-4) by Christ in them who is the hope of glory.

Maybe someone else can respond to this better than me.


Jesus said that He came to save everything.

Everything and everyone that the Father has given me will come to me, and I won't turn any of them away. I didn't come from heaven to do what I want! I came to do what the Father wants me to do. He sent me, and he wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost. Instead, he wants me to raise them to life on the last day. My Father wants everyone who sees the Son to have faith in him and to have eternal life. Then I will raise them to life on the last day. (John 6:37-40)

Big churches will tell you that Jesus came to offer salvation to people who choose to follow Jesus. Those preachers will tell you that billions of people will be lost.

Jesus said that He came to make sure that nothing that was given to Him is lost. And Jesus said that He has been given everything, and that He succeeded in His mission.

What was His mission? To "offer salvation to the lost", or to "save the lost"? They are not the same thing.

The churches teach that billions of people will be lost. Surely if billions of people go to hell, that is a victory for Satan. How can it be complete victory for Jesus if billions of the people that He made are lost? Jesus said that His job is to make certain that none of what He has been given is lost.

Jesus said that He won't rest if there is even one sheep missing. He won't be satisfied with finding 99 sheep and losing one. He wants all his sheep. And He wants everything else that He owns as well. Otherwise, it won't be complete victory, will it?

Find where Jesus said what He came to do in the bible. Decide for yourself if you agree with what He said His mission is, and whether He succeeded. Do you think that Jesus had complete victory? If He did, then He must have done this successfully:

"He sent me, and he wants to make certain that none of the ones he has given me will be lost."
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Your quote:
What was His mission? To "offer salvation to the lost", or to "save the lost"? They are not the same thing.

But they are.

You say TOmato, I say TAmato. Same thing!

His death and resurrection made salvation POSSIBLE.
Because we have FREEDOM of Choice, we must make a choice to go to heaven If we do nothing, sy=tay as we are, we die in our sins and are lost.

The "offer of salvation" is available to all who will receive and for ALL who reveive it THEY will become the Sons of God.
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.....Hi blakey, Major, Preacher Bob...anyone...the only verse in all of scripture which describes the destruction of ..."MAGOG" ...by the "KING OF BABYLON"...is found where...?
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.....Hi blakey, Major, Preacher Bob...anyone...the only verse in all of scripture which describes the destruction of ..."MAGOG" ...by the "KING OF BABYLON"...is found where...?
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..Notice the "MOSLEM" allignment of nations described in Ezekiel 38:1-6
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..Notice ZEKE:38:21...The LORD "Calls for a sword against him">>>HIM<<< IS MAGOG ...the LORD "calls" for a sword to destroy MAGOG...whose that sword...?
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Revelations 22:18-19 – What did John mean?
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

This talk is one of my favorite three given in this decade, as it also discusses "The Lord's Timing" = see the deception continues to crumble.

MC


These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.


Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation.

spock The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
Thread: Myths About the Bible - UPDATE = Add Myth # 8 - doctors of Mythology respond?

Here is a link to the KJV with inspired headings, footnotes, index, and cross-references. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Pay Particular Attention to the JST corrections. note

MC


2 Tim. 3:16
"ALL of Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable fro doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness".

2 Peter 1:21
"For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".

Read Deut. again. Deut 4:2.
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish augt from it, THAT YE MAY KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD YOUR GOD WHICH I COMMAND YOU".

CONTEXT!!!!!

The command hear makes a clear distinction between the WORD OF GOD AND THE WORD OF MAN. (MATT. 5:17-19).

The following is simply not true.......................

"We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of REVELATION."

The gospel of John was written by John in 85 AD.
IT is the last of the gospels.

Revelation was written by John in 95-96 while in exile on the island of Patmos.

LXX pg 34.f/.. McHenry's Expository 785, and many many more.
 Quoting: Major 647112


Revelations 22:18-19 – What did John mean?

Note: All references are taken from the King James Version of the Holy Bible. Bold an italics added for emphasis.

18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

1. Revelations 22:18-19 refers to “this book”, and “the book of this prophecy”. Interestingly, the word Bible is an English rendering of the Greek Biblia, which means “a collection of books”. The King James Version of the Holy Bible is, as the name infers, a collection of 66 separate “books” that were written over a period of approximately 2,200 years. They were compiled to form our “Bible”. Revelations is one “book”, attached to 65 other “books”, compiled for our convenience into one volume. As an aside, keep in mind that the bible is not assembled in chronological order.

2. The first English bible was compiled in 1382. On top of that, the Book of Revelations wasn’t even accepted into the canon of scripture until 1546. So, in effect, the book of Revelations itself was “added to” the Bible as we know it. Another interesting point is that Revelations wasn’t the last book written by John the Revelator. He wrote The Gospel of John after his release from the Isle of Patmos, during his time in Ephesus.

3. The Bible is neither perfect nor complete. There are numerous inconsistencies in the Bible, as well as many references to scripture we no longer have. Scripture references referring to translation errors, as well as references to missing books of scripture, will be given at the end of this document. *

4. See Deuteronomy 4:2-3 – Moses made a similar statement 2,000 years before John did, which, if taken at face value, would mean that nothing but the first 5 books of the Old Testament (the Pentateuch) would be scripture. However, the Savior Himself quotes extensively from Psalms and Isaiah, which means that they must be legitimate scripture.

5. John was speaking specifically about his Revelation when he wrote Revelations 22:18-

19. That is why he was so specific about “this book” and “the words of the prophecy of this book“. He also clarifies that man can’t add to or take away, but that does not limit God from revealing more of His word! With this in mind, let us approach the possibility of further scripture by an appeal to the Bible.

That said, let us ask another question. If John was referring just to his book, then can there still be other scriptures out there, not in our current Bible? Could the Book of Mormon really be scripture?

6. John 10:16 speaks of “other sheep.” We hold that Christ loves all His children, and that He sends Prophets to teach them in all ages, and all areas of the world. Christ said those “other sheep” would “hear His voice”, yet during His mortal ministry He went only to the children of Israel (Matthew 15:24.) Surely those “other sheep” that were to hear His voice would have written it down! The other sheep He spoke of were not the Gentiles, for it would be through the voice of His apostles that the Gentiles would be converted, as stated by Christ.

7. In keeping with God’s law of witnesses (2 Corinthians 13:1, Deuteronomy 19:15), the Bible is but one witness, that of the Jewish nation. The Book of Mormon is believed to be another witness, of another nation, that Jesus is the Christ, and that He does not change. Its purpose is to testify of Christ and of the validity of the Bible. Consider the following:

8. Ezekiel 37:16-22 speaks of two records. One, the “Stick of Judah”, and the other, the “Stick of Joseph.” The Jews, the nation from whence the Bible sprang, are of the tribe of Judah. The book of Mormon can be none other than the “Stick of Joseph”, for it is a record of a lost branch of the tribe of Israel, descendants of Manasseh, one of the sons of Joseph.

The scriptures are the record of God’s dealings with Prophets (Amos 3:7), and as Ephesians 4:11-13 says:

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

With over 2,000 Christian denominations in the world, we have anything but a “unity of the faith.” As the scriptures say, “One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism” (Ephesians 4:5.) God is a God of order, and surely the Lord has a correct way of organizing and running His church, and that has always been declared through Apostles and Prophets. We declare that God has not changed, and that He still reveals His will through Apostles and Prophets, just as He has always done.

Our challenge to the world: The scriptures teach that “by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matt 7:20.) We affirm that statement, as well as that the Comforter will “teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance” (John 14:26.) The fruit of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Book of Mormon, which we declare to be none other than the record of Christ’s teachings to His “other sheep.”

Let all men and women everywhere test those fruits through study and prayer, and allow the decision of whether or not they are true to be made by an appeal to God. The Spirit of God testifies of truth, so by the Spirit we may know if these things are true. We can recognize the Spirit by its fruits (Galatians 5:22-23.) The Book of Mormon makes the following promise in Moroni 10:3-5, its concluding chapter:

3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, He will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

Don’t take our word for it. “Ask of God” (James 1:5)

* References
Missing Scripture: Numbers 21:14, Joshua 10:13, 1 Kings 11:41, 1 Chronicles 29:29, 2 Chronicles 9:29, 2 Chronicles 12:15, Matthew 2:23 and Jude 1:14. These are just a few possible references, so clearly the Bible is, in its current form, incomplete.

Bible Errors:

1. See Acts 9:7, and then Acts 22:9. In the first, the men heard a voice but saw no man. In the second, they saw the light, but heard no voice. This represents an obvious translation error. The translators, while educated men, were still imperfect. We must be open to further clarifications where Bible translations are concerned.

2. In translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to English, some important details were either lost or misunderstood. For Example: In Genesis 1:1, it has the words “God created.” It is commonly accepted that this means that God created the world out of nothing, for that is one meaning of “create”. However, the Hebrew word from which “created” is translated is “Baurau”, which does not mean to create from nothing, but “to organize or form, i.e. from that which is already in existence”. This clearly shows the idea of ex nihilo creation (creation from nothing) to be a false principle. A careful study of the earliest Hebrew biblical manuscripts will clarify many concepts that have been long misunderstood.

3. This applies to the New Testament’s Greek as well. For example: Matthew 5:48 has the word “perfect.” Perfect was translated from the Greek word “telios”, which means “whole or complete”. John 10:30 has the word “one”, in reference to Christ and His Father. The Greek word from which “one” was translated was originally in the neuter form, which means not a physical oneness, which would have been represented by either the feminine or masculine forms, but “a oneness of attributes, powers, purpose, etc”, an intangible oneness. This clarifies to us that we are to become perfect as our Father in Heaven, whole and complete as He is whole and complete, and also that He and His Son are not physically one, but one in purpose, power and attributes. - [link to samantics.wordpress.com]

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Your quote:
What was His mission? To "offer salvation to the lost", or to "save the lost"? They are not the same thing.

But they are.

You say TOmato, I say TAmato. Same thing!

His death and resurrection made salvation POSSIBLE.
Because we have FREEDOM of Choice, we must make a choice to go to heaven If we do nothing, sy=tay as we are, we die in our sins and are lost.

The "offer of salvation" is available to all who will receive and for ALL who reveive it THEY will become the Sons of God.
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You may have heard of Saul of Tarsus. His free will choice was to murder people and stop them from following Jesus. And yet:

Saul kept on threatening to kill the Lord's followers. He even went to the high priest and asked for letters to the Jewish leaders in Damascus. He did this because he wanted to arrest and take to Jerusalem any man or woman who had accepted the Lord's Way. When Saul had almost reached Damascus, a bright light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice that said, "Saul! Saul! Why are you so cruel to me?" "Who are you?" Saul asked.

"I am Jesus," the Lord answered. "I am the one you are so cruel to. Now get up and go into the city, where you will be told what to do." (Acts 9:1-6)

Where was Saul's free will? He wanted to keep people away from Jesus, but Jesus chose him to do the opposite.

He came to me and said, "Saul, my friend, you can now see again!" At once I could see. Then Ananias told me, "The God that our ancestors worshiped has chosen you to know what he wants done. He has chosen you to see the One Who Obeys God and to hear his voice. You must tell everyone what you have seen and heard. What are you waiting for? Get up! Be baptized, and wash away your sins by praying to the Lord." (Acts 22:13-16)

Even Paul says that it wasn't his decision:

From Paul. God our Savior and Christ Jesus commanded me to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, who gives us hope. (1 Timothy 1:1)

From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. God himself chose me to be an apostle, and he gave me the promised life that Jesus Christ makes possible. (2 Timothy 1:1)

From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from Sosthenes, who is also a follower. (1 Corinthians 1:1)

From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Jesus Christ, and from Timothy, who is also a follower. To God's church in Corinth and to all of God's people in Achaia. (2 Corinthians 1:1)

From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. To God's people who live in Ephesus and [a] are faithful followers of Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 1:1)

From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from Timothy, who is also a follower. (Colossians 1:1)

Where was Saul's free choice? Jesus says he chose Paul. Paul says Jesus chose him. Why was Saul not allowed to keep murdering people, as he freely chose?

Paul wrote:

Someone may ask, "How can God blame us, if he makes us behave in the way he wants us to?" But, my friend, I ask, "Who do you think you are to question God? Does the clay have the right to ask the potter why he shaped it the way he did? Doesn't a potter have the right to make a fancy bowl and a plain bowl out of the same lump of clay?" (Romans 9:19-21)


Paul also wrote:

But God was merciful! We were dead because of our sins, but God loved us so much that he made us alive with Christ, and God's wonderful kindness is what saves you. God raised us from death to life with Christ Jesus, and he has given us a place beside Christ in heaven. God did this so that in the future world he could show how truly good and kind he is to us because of what Christ Jesus has done. You were saved by faith in God, who treats us much better than we deserve. This is God's gift to you, and not anything you have done on your own. It isn't something you have earned, so there is nothing you can brag about. God planned for us to do good things and to live as he has always wanted us to live. That's why he sent Christ to make us what we are. (Ephesians 2:4-10)


What about the people who don't believe in God? What happens to them?

All people have disobeyed God, and that's why he treats them as prisoners. But he does this, so that he can have mercy on all of them. (Romans 11:32)
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21   Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

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These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.


Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation.

spock The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
Thread: Myths About the Bible - UPDATE = Add Myth # 8 - doctors of Mythology respond?

Here is a link to the KJV with inspired headings, footnotes, index, and cross-references. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Pay Particular Attention to the JST corrections. :note:

MC
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About the only reason I can think of for you to not understand that the Canon is closed would be that you are of the Mormon faith. That way the book of Mormon would be added.

Not So. The Bible was completed with the Revelation.
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.....Hi blakey, Major, Preacher Bob...anyone...the only verse in all of scripture which describes the destruction of ..."MAGOG" ...by the "KING OF BABYLON"...is found where...?
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Actually there are TWO Gog and Magog battles.

The 1st is found in Ezekiel 38. It comes from the NORTH parts.
No one know when this one is to take place. Personally IMO I believe this one will be at or right before the Rapture. I have no Biblical proof, just my thinking.

The second in Revelation 20:8 and we know that it takes place at the end of the 1000 year rule of Christ. This one comes from "the four corners of the earth".

Good question. I hope this helps you.
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what is your interpretation and belief?


Jesus came to seek and save the lost. Jesus succeeded in His mission. Jesus made everything, and owns everything.



...choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

God clearly gave us a choice; He is a gentleman.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Both intelligent life forms created by God, his ministers and his heirs, angels and people, were given free choice of the will.
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AGREED!
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Jesus' qualities included stealing, destruction, disobedience to law, yet he kept forgiving himself instead of asking God. He does pray to God, but mostly for either revenge or forgiveness. Polar extremes, imo, when he's taking things and such without any thought about it whatsoever.

So, why didn't he consult more or at least ask god.



You need to ask yourself these questions.

1- Where did you get your information on his qualities?
2- Dan Brown's book is a work of FICTION. The Last Temptation of Christ, Another work of Fiction.
3- What verse do you base your assumptions on?

The reason I ask is The things you list above are sins.
If Jesus sinned then he would not be able to die in our place he would be like the rest of us and have to pay his own debt.

Jesus lived a sin free life.

God's laws trump mans law. In Germany during WWII the law said Jews have to be SENT to a Concentration Camp, and so by your way of thinking then if you disobeyed mans laws then you sinned, so by not going to the Gas Chamber you are SINNING?

Should think about that.


I would like examples of what you are saying, where do you draw your conclusions from?
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Preacher, where do you think people get these ideas and thoughts from???? It is kind of scary don't you think????
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And why are they not chosen?


Firstly, the translation you use is not inerrant; in fact, quite the opposite.

Secondly, look into (in a KJV) the concept of willingly receiving Christ, versus rejecting Him.

John 6:21   Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

Why not check those verses in whichever translation you want, and see if it is God who chooses?


David A. Bednar, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

The word chosen in 1 Nephi 1:20 is central to understanding the concept of the Lord’s tender mercies. The dictionary indicates that chosen suggests one who is selected, taken by preference, or picked out. It also can be used to refer to the elect or chosen of God (Oxford English Dictionary Online, second ed. [1989], “Chosen”).

Some individuals who hear or read this message erroneously may discount or dismiss in their personal lives the availability of the tender mercies of the Lord, believing that “I certainly am not one who has been or ever will be chosen.” We may falsely think that such blessings and gifts are reserved for other people who appear to be more righteous or who serve in visible Church callings. I testify that the tender mercies of the Lord are available to all of us and that the Redeemer of Israel is eager to bestow such gifts upon us.

To be or to become chosen is not an exclusive status conferred upon us. Rather, you and I ultimately determine if we are chosen. Please now note the use of the word chosen in the following verses from the Doctrine and Covenants:

“Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men” (D&C 121:34–35; emphasis added).

I believe the implication of these verses is quite straightforward. God does not have a list of favorites to which we must hope our names will someday be added. He does not limit “the chosen” to a restricted few. Rather, it is our hearts and our aspirations and our obedience which definitively determine whether we are counted as one of God’s chosen.

Enoch was instructed by the Lord on this very point of doctrine. Please note the use of the word choose in these verses:

“Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

“And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father” (Moses 7:32–33; emphasis added).

As we learn in these scriptures, the fundamental purposes for the gift of agency were to love one another and to choose God. Thus we become God’s chosen and invite His tender mercies as we use our agency to choose God.

One of the most well-known and frequently cited passages of scripture is found in Moses 1:39. This verse clearly and concisely describes the work of the Eternal Father:

“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (emphasis added).

A companion scripture found in the Doctrine and Covenants describes with equal clarity and conciseness our primary work as the sons and daughters of the Eternal Father. Interestingly, this verse does not seem to be as well known and is not quoted with great frequency.

“Behold, this is your work, to keep my commandments, yea, with all your might, mind and strength” (D&C 11:20; emphasis added).

Thus, the Father’s work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of His children. Our work is to keep His commandments with all of our might, mind, and strength—and we thereby become chosen and, through the Holy Ghost, receive and recognize the tender mercies of the Lord in our daily lives. -David A. Bednar, “The Tender Mercies of the Lord,” Ensign, May. 2005 - [link to www.living-prophet.info]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

This talk is one of my favorite three given in this decade, as it also discusses "The Lord's Timing" = see the deception continues to crumble. 

MC


These are EXTRA Biblical thoughts.


Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation.

spock The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
Thread: Myths About the Bible - UPDATE = Add Myth # 8 - doctors of Mythology respond?

Here is a link to the KJV with inspired headings, footnotes, index, and cross-references. - [link to scriptures.lds.org]

Pay Particular Attention to the JST corrections. note

MC


About the only reason I can think of for you to not understand that the Canon is closed would be that you are of the Mormon faith. That way the book of Mormon would be added.

Not So. The Bible was completed with the Revelation.
 Quoting: Major 647112


Acts 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Why was Matthias called as an Apostle if the Apostles were meant to cease?

MC
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