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I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity

 
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good thread blakey, ive only been reading your posts, and some of the questions.

Ive been stuck in sin for quite a while and finally God is beginning to be real to me again since he broke me about a year ago and finally im getting to the point where im letting go of conscious sin and starting to be obediant. I just wanted to thank you for your words and wisdom and it has been very encouraging to read. ill be checking this thread for time to time.


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Christianity through its teachings says that man has a free will and can thus choose between belief and non-belief. Of course with evangelicals, the only sin that will keep you out of heaven is non-belief. That belief is to believe that Jesus Christ was God, who came down from heaven, was crucified, died, and ascended into heaven.

The only thing we know about Jesus Christ comes from the writings in the New Testament. There was no contemporary history of Jesus. So, if you must accept the doctrines set forth in the Bible, you are required to accept all the absurdities, inconsistencies, improbabilities, and contradictions therein.

The question then is how do the religionists get people to believe that which requires the crushing of one’s intellect? It is done by extortion. The Oxford American Dictionary defines extortion as obtaining something through the use of force, threats or intimidation. We usually think of extortion as the act of obtaining money or other valuable things under false pretenses and deception. In the case of religion, the thing extorted is the intellect of the individual. Religion is a dumbing-down of the mind.

With all our enlightenment and the very fine intellect we are given at birth, how do the religionists keep us believing? First, let it be known that all religion is based on fear of death and wishful thinking

[link to www.exminister.org]

If a person grows up without the childhood influences of religion, his intellect may grow to be strong enough to see that religion takes billions of dollars from society and gives nothing in return, with a promise that is unrealistic, concocted, and definitely cannot be proven. This is the reason churches are so invasive in the public arena. They want to put Jesus’ portrait in every classroom; the Ten Commandments in every public building; to open every school class with a prayer; start every public meeting with a prayer, etc. They simply want to dumb-down the human intellect before it matures enough to see that all religious faith, regardless of what denomination, is false, invasive, destructive and harmful to the mind. Religion is extortion

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Preacher Bob, please answer this, after reading the above paragraph fully. Do you think that God would send someone to burn in hell for eternity, if all they did in their life was try to spread peace and love, but they were never taught about Christ, therefor never had the chance to accept him? Would this peaceful loving person be sent burn in hell?
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I don't have to like it, I don't have to agree with it. But God is very CLEAR

<3 I will proclaim the greatness of the Lord. How glorious he is!
4 He is the Rock. His work is perfect. Everything he does is just and fair. He is faithful, without sin.
Deut 32:3-4 (Living)>


<43 "There is a saying, 'Love your friends and hate your enemies.'
44 But I say: Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
45 In that way you will be acting as true sons of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust too.
46 If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even scoundrels do that much.
47 If you are friendly only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even the heathen do that.
48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Matt 5:43-48 (Living)>

<19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As it says in the book of Job, God uses man's own brilliance to trap him; he stumbles over his own "wisdom" and falls.
20 And again, in the book of Psalms, we are told that the Lord knows full well how the human mind reasons and how foolish and futile it is.
21 So don't be proud of following the wise men of this world. For God has already given you everything you need.
1 Cor 3:19-21 (Living)>


<3 We aren't saved from sin's grasp by knowing the commandments of God because we can't and don't keep them, but God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours--except that ours are sinful--and destroyed sin's control over us by giving himself as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 (Living)>


<6 They trust in their wealth and boast about how rich they are,
7 yet not one of them, though rich as kings, can ransom his own brother from the penalty of sin! For God's forgiveness does not come that way.
8 ,9 For a soul is far too precious to be ransomed by mere earthly wealth. There is not enough of it in all the earth to buy eternal life for just one soul, to keep it out of hell.
10 Rich man! Proud man! Wise man! You must die like all the rest! You have no greater lease on life than foolish, stupid men. You must leave your wealth to others.
Psalms 49:6-10 (Living)>

<13 "Heaven can be entered only through the narrow gate! The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide enough for all the multitudes who choose its easy way.
14 But the Gateway to Life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a few ever find it.
15 "Beware of false teachers who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are wolves and will tear you apart.
16 You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You need never confuse grapevines with thorn bushes or figs with thistles.
17 Different kinds of fruit trees can quickly be identified by examining their fruit.
18 A variety that produces delicious fruit never produces an inedible kind. And a tree producing an inedible kind can't produce what is good.
19 So the trees having the inedible fruit are chopped down and thrown on the fire.
20 Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit produced.
21 "Not all who sound religious are really godly people. They may refer to me as 'Lord,' but still won't get to heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey my Father in heaven.
22 At the Judgment many will tell me, 'Lord, Lord, we told others about you and used your name to cast out demons and to do many other great miracles.'
23 But I will reply, 'You have never been mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.'
Matt 7:13-23 (Living)>

<28 "Don't be afraid of those who can kill only your bodies--but can't touch your souls! Fear only God who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 10:28 (Living)>

7 And so I would say to you who are suffering, God will give you rest along with us when the Lord Jesus appears suddenly from heaven in flaming fire with his mighty angels,
8 bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power
2 Thess 1:7-9 (Living)


I can go on and on and on, How much more do you need?
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Why is lucifer the morning star?

Why does good, god, follow authority instead of purpose?


As I recall Jesus is the morning star.

Actually, god follows the will of men in most respects, but uses authority when they do evil.

the bible is actually quite unrestrictive (after christ) of most human behaviors. the only forbidden things after christ came are fornication and eating meat sacrificed to idols. thats it, believe it or not. We are not under the Old Testament laws now.

Most people have a faulty idea that the bible forbids fun etc. it is the most unrestrictive 'religion' out there.
 Quoting: Blakey 759954

hate to break it yo you buddy, but God's law are eternal, it said so in the bible


Are you aware that the bible is 100% accurate because of mistranlation?
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Preacher Bob, please answer this, after reading the above paragraph fully. Do you think that God would send someone to burn in hell for eternity, if all they did in their life was try to spread peace and love, but they were never taught about Christ, therefor never had the chance to accept him? Would this peaceful loving person be sent burn in hell?



I don't have to like it, I don't have to agree with it. But God is very CLEAR

<3 I will proclaim the greatness of the Lord. How glorious he is!
4 He is the Rock. His work is perfect. Everything he does is just and fair. He is faithful, without sin.
Deut 32:3-4 (Living)>


<43 "There is a saying, 'Love your friends and hate your enemies.'
44 But I say: Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
45 In that way you will be acting as true sons of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust too.
46 If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even scoundrels do that much.
47 If you are friendly only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even the heathen do that.
48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Matt 5:43-48 (Living)>

<19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As it says in the book of Job, God uses man's own brilliance to trap him; he stumbles over his own "wisdom" and falls.
20 And again, in the book of Psalms, we are told that the Lord knows full well how the human mind reasons and how foolish and futile it is.
21 So don't be proud of following the wise men of this world. For God has already given you everything you need.
1 Cor 3:19-21 (Living)>


<3 We aren't saved from sin's grasp by knowing the commandments of God because we can't and don't keep them, but God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours--except that ours are sinful--and destroyed sin's control over us by giving himself as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 (Living)>


<6 They trust in their wealth and boast about how rich they are,
7 yet not one of them, though rich as kings, can ransom his own brother from the penalty of sin! For God's forgiveness does not come that way.
8 ,9 For a soul is far too precious to be ransomed by mere earthly wealth. There is not enough of it in all the earth to buy eternal life for just one soul, to keep it out of hell.
10 Rich man! Proud man! Wise man! You must die like all the rest! You have no greater lease on life than foolish, stupid men. You must leave your wealth to others.
Psalms 49:6-10 (Living)>

<13 "Heaven can be entered only through the narrow gate! The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide enough for all the multitudes who choose its easy way.
14 But the Gateway to Life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a few ever find it.
15 "Beware of false teachers who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are wolves and will tear you apart.
16 You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit. You need never confuse grapevines with thorn bushes or figs with thistles.
17 Different kinds of fruit trees can quickly be identified by examining their fruit.
18 A variety that produces delicious fruit never produces an inedible kind. And a tree producing an inedible kind can't produce what is good.
19 So the trees having the inedible fruit are chopped down and thrown on the fire.
20 Yes, the way to identify a tree or a person is by the kind of fruit produced.
21 "Not all who sound religious are really godly people. They may refer to me as 'Lord,' but still won't get to heaven. For the decisive question is whether they obey my Father in heaven.
22 At the Judgment many will tell me, 'Lord, Lord, we told others about you and used your name to cast out demons and to do many other great miracles.'
23 But I will reply, 'You have never been mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.'
Matt 7:13-23 (Living)>

<28 "Don't be afraid of those who can kill only your bodies--but can't touch your souls! Fear only God who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt 10:28 (Living)>

7 And so I would say to you who are suffering, God will give you rest along with us when the Lord Jesus appears suddenly from heaven in flaming fire with his mighty angels,
8 bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power
2 Thess 1:7-9 (Living)


I can go on and on and on, How much more do you need?
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The more I read this, all i see is unloving father with anger and fear

I think there is something wrong here, God is love and mercy trumph over judgment, but this?

To be honest, your heart isn't with love but more like "puppy-obedient" guy to me...
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The second most important scripture to fundamentalists and their faith is:
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not at any time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (II Pet. 1:20,21)

First, a word of explanation. Because of the context of these verses, it is only referring to prophecy, and not every word in the entire Bible, as most fundies say. And also, the context shows it is only speaking of prophecy in the O.T.; the N.T. not having been written yet.

This work will show, to anyone who will reason, that many of the "prophecies" that were spoken (or written) by "holy men of God", could not have spoken "as they were moved by the Holy Spirit", because their prophecies did not come to pass, thus making them false prophets.

The examples I will give are only a fraction of the false prophecies. Also, I will not give the more lengthy ones. My knowledge of history is limited so I will show only the false prophecies that I remember from history.


1. The prophecy
"Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Go and speak to Zedekiah, king of Judah, and tell him,... and thou shalt not escape out of his hand, but shall surely be taken, and delivered into his hand; and thine eyes shall behold the eyes of the king of Babylon, and he shall speak with thee mouth to mouth, and thou shalt go to Babylon... thou shalt not die by the sword, but thou shalt die in peace; and with the burnings of thy fathers, the former kings who were before thee, so shall they burn odors for thee, and they will lament thee, saying, Ah lord!: (Jer. 34:2-5)

What actually happened?
"So they took the king (Zedikiah) and brought him up to the king of Babylon at Riblah; and they gave judgment upon him, and they slew the sons of Zedikiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedikiah, and bound him with fetters of brass, and carried him to Babylon." (II Kings 25:6,7)
"... and put him in prison till the day of his death." (Jer. 52:11)
They could not have honored him with burnings because all the princes were killed, most of the people carried away to Babylon, and only a few poor left in the land. Beside this, Zedikiah was the one that caused all this by not obeying the king of Babylon. How could he have died in peace?

[link to wwwdotexministerdotorg.blogspot.com]
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do all 'temptations or tests' of our faith come from satan? for example, i was in a very unique situation then ended me up in a bar and i got hammered and was an huge idiot.

my questions is did that 'unique situation' come about as god testing me or satan tempting me? or could it have been either. i got into a discussion about it with a friend and i wasnt sure. and if both instances occur what makes them distingushable?

thanks
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In some ways both, the test would be to see at what point should you have stopped. This only you can answer, but it is the wrong answer if you do not pass. The temptation then came about from the failing of the test, but even then you had a way out for God does not allow a test to not also have a right answer, Once you get past the temptation and you have embraced sin. Now you enter where you WANT to be but God does not offer up a way out because you have already pushed ahead and rejected his offer to stop, and his way out now you have to ride out the punishment that you brought upon yourself.


What makes them distinguishable, A test you will have the opportunity to learn, and grow from the experience. Most tests you do not volunteer for. Temptation, this you are offered something that you want and you know you should not take, This is from Satan but allowed by God and a way is provided for you to escape.

Full sin is neither, you embrace your wicked way, reject God, and you are a prisoner to your flesh.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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OP

Here is a question for you.

God gave Moses the ten commandments right. God never changes and is always the same.

One of the ten commandments says clearly, thou shall not kill.

Yet why later in the bible we hear the Jews receive a word from God where God tells them to go into a village and kill everything, man, woman, children and even beast.

Now if God is love and never changes how can this be....
what about religious wars?
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I don't have to like it, I don't have to agree with it. But God is very CLEAR
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so you just admitted it. you only believe that because... the bible said so. i feel for you. you are afraid to disagree with the bible, regardless of your feelings, because of fear. you are afraid that you would go to hell if you disagreed with bible. but you will not. you said before that feelings are what lead you to false answers (something like that) but your feelings and instincts are some of the most important things you have. you have free will, you have individuality. you are allowed to think for yourself, you do not have to follow a book to live life. you will not go to hell for it. religion has just divided us. it stinks.
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Full sin is neither, you embrace your wicked way, reject God, and you are a prisoner to your flesh.
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Theres nothing like spreading fear to keep the sheeple in line.Pure religious Extortion.
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The more I read this, all i see is unloving father with anger and fear

I think there is something wrong here, God is love and mercy trumph over judgment, but this?

To be honest, your heart isn't with love but more like "puppy-obedient" guy to me...
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You can not only ACCEPT PART OF GOD, He is Love and Mercy, But he is Also JUST AND PERFECT.

So I am to just think that you will fix yourself? everyone gets to goto heaven? So do you understand what you are saying. Since everyone gets to go, then why should you change. I will be there too under your plan, so will Hitler, and Charles Manson. And all the people of the world. Now once we are there how can God tell someone NO. If someone want to hurt you GOD CAN'T TELL THAT person NO.

So by Protecting YOU, he is NOT a GOD OF LOVE, But letting everyone do as they Please and hurt you HE IS A GOD OF LOVE?

Do you listen to what comes out of your mouth? Do you think before you babel on and on?

Do you really think that this is a Utopia that you speak of?


Really?
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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I don't have to like it, I don't have to agree with it. But God is very CLEAR


so you just admitted it. you only believe that because... the bible said so. i feel for you. you are afraid to disagree with the bible, regardless of your feelings, because of fear. you are afraid that you would go to hell if you disagreed with bible. but you will not. you said before that feelings are what lead you to false answers (something like that) but your feelings and instincts are some of the most important things you have. you have free will, you have individuality. you are allowed to think for yourself, you do not have to follow a book to live life. you will not go to hell for it. religion has just divided us. it stinks.
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I didn't say I didn't like it, I said I don't have to like it.

I didn't say I didn't agree with it, I said I don't have to agree with it.


YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF FINDING WHAT YOU WANT. and not what is Plainly there FOR ALL TO SEE.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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What is the Bibles take on the Vatican\Pope?
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What is the Bibles take on the Vatican\Pope?
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I don't see anything there, other than they don't practice what they preach. But you have to have Discernment to understand what is truth and what is not.

But ask yourself this, if you are to have no other Gods, and not pray to idols, Why do they pray to Mary, or saints?

But they do have enough information to get you Saved, from there you need to move on if you want to grow.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Full sin is neither, you embrace your wicked way, reject God, and you are a prisoner to your flesh.


Theres nothing like spreading fear to keep the sheeple in line.Pure religious Extortion.
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What do you expect to gain? When you die everyone that has believe you will be dead too. Just as unhappy and full of hate as you.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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So I am to just think that you will fix yourself? everyone gets to goto heaven? So do you understand what you are saying. Since everyone gets to go, then why should you change. I will be there too under your plan, so will Hitler, and Charles Manson. And all the people of the world. Now once we are there how can God tell someone NO. If someone want to hurt you GOD CAN'T TELL THAT person NO.

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evil has there own realm. people like hitler reside there. but they do not burn there. lets make this very clear...an evil person looks at people as pawns in a game, using them for there own benefit. they do not care or feel anything at all for that person. they only ask their selves how they could use them for personal benefit.

an evil person is NOT... a crack head who sells drugs and is in a gang. yes he is different than you and me, but not evil. life here is harsh, people make choices that they would not normally make because of their harsh surroundings. someone like this feels guilt, and they suffer from the choices they have made. an evil person would have no feelings of guilt at all. HUGE difference.

GOD FORGIVES
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OP

Here is a question for you.

God gave Moses the ten commandments right. God never changes and is always the same.

One of the ten commandments says clearly, thou shall not kill.

Yet why later in the bible we hear the Jews receive a word from God where God tells them to go into a village and kill everything, man, woman, children and even beast.

Now if God is love and never changes how can this be....
what about religious wars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 359772


While I may not be the op, you need to understand the Difference between Killing and Murder.

today you can be a soldier and kill to protect your nation or to take land for your nation. But kill to take your buddies land you will be tried for murder.

Do you think you could have convinced a Nazi that they should not invade Poland, Threat of force is all that would have worked, and they would have worked till they thought they could attack, then you have two choices, DIE or defend yourself.?

Would God say Die?


Religious wars, Most are in the NAME OF GOD, That does not Make them OF GOD, you figure that one out.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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evil has there own realm. people like hitler reside there. but they do not burn there. lets make this very clear...an evil person looks at people as pawns in a game, using them for there own benefit. they do not care or feel anything at all for that person. they only ask their selves how they could use them for personal benefit.

an evil person is NOT... a crack head who sells drugs and is in a gang. yes he is different than you and me, but not evil. life here is harsh, people make choices that they would not normally make because of their harsh surroundings. someone like this feels guilt, and they suffer from the choices they have made. an evil person would have no feelings of guilt at all. HUGE difference.

GOD FORGIVES
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Yes evil has its own realm it is called HELL

WE ARE ALL EVIL AND DESERVE IT

ONE WAY OUT TO ACCEPT CHRIST.

NOT MY RULES.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Who were the wisemen from Matthew 2:2?

They weren't Christians, but they knew of Christ.

So who were they, and where did they get their information?


From my recollection they are not specified in detail anywhere in the bible.



BINGO !!

The Bible is incomplete......
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Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

B-1 Noun Strong's Number: g3097 Greek: magos
Wise, Wiser, Wisely:

denotes "a Magian," one of a sacred caste, originally Median, who apparently conformed to the Persian religion while retaining their old beliefs; it is used in the plural, Mat 2:1, 7, 16 (twice), "wise men."
See also SORCERER.
"In thy presence is fulness of joy."
Psa. 16:11
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Thats ok, I am taught bu GOD's Word, and It is easy to read and understand if you ask Jesus for help, and HE, is my Teacher..
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I don't have to like it, I don't have to agree with it. But God is very CLEAR


so you just admitted it. you only believe that because... the bible said so. i feel for you. you are afraid to disagree with the bible, regardless of your feelings, because of fear. you are afraid that you would go to hell if you disagreed with bible. but you will not. you said before that feelings are what lead you to false answers (something like that) but your feelings and instincts are some of the most important things you have. you have free will, you have individuality. you are allowed to think for yourself, you do not have to follow a book to live life. you will not go to hell for it. religion has just divided us. it stinks.



I didn't say I didn't like it, I said I don't have to like it.

I didn't say I didn't agree with it, I said I don't have to agree with it.


YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF FINDING WHAT YOU WANT. and not what is Plainly there FOR ALL TO SEE.
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you really have some honesty issues. not only with me, with yourself. that's bad. do you feel that it would be right for god to burn a peaceful loving soul just because he didn't accept jesus? NO. YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT. because you are human, and you know a peaceful loving person does not deserve to burn for eternity. but in FEAR, you will not admit that your thoughts are different from what the bible says. this is why religion is bad, it has completely taken over your thoughts. you don't know what you feel, only what the book says. no book needs to tell you how to live your life, you know this, but you are afraid of what would happen if you gave up that book. (nothing) we will all understand on the other side.
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That's ok you believe what you want.


you see under your understanding

when we both die

I goto heaven

You goto heaven.


5a


My understanding



I goto heaven


You goto HELL.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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do you feel that it would be right for god to burn a peaceful loving soul just because he didn't accept jesus?
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do you feel that it would be right for god to burn a peaceful loving soul just because he didn't accept jesus?
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to preacher bob
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Bible expert.. what does this mean..

"two shall be standing in a field, one taken the other lost."


Please interpret.
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OP

Here is a question for you.

God gave Moses the ten commandments right. God never changes and is always the same.

One of the ten commandments says clearly, thou shall not kill.

Yet why later in the bible we hear the Jews receive a word from God where God tells them to go into a village and kill everything, man, woman, children and even beast.

Now if God is love and never changes how can this be....
what about religious wars?
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I can tell you why.Because the God of the old testiment isn't at all a god but Enlil and Enki fused into 1 deity
by the jewish priests.
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Bible expert.. what does this mean..

"two shall be standing in a field, one taken the other lost."


Please interpret.
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I am not a street performer, or sent here to make you afraid, or to make you laugh.

You don't have to like what I say, but you know it is true that is why it shakes you to your core.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Yes evil has its own realm it is called HELL

WE ARE ALL EVIL AND DESERVE IT

ONE WAY OUT TO ACCEPT CHRIST.

NOT MY RULES.
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Wow talk about a scare tactic!This scare tactic is
used by many religions.Have no fear people.Don't
let the man get ya.
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Yes evil has its own realm it is called HELL

WE ARE ALL EVIL AND DESERVE IT

ONE WAY OUT TO ACCEPT CHRIST.

NOT MY RULES.


Wow talk about a scare tactic!This scare tactic is
used by many religions.Have no fear people.Don't
let the man get ya.
 Quoting: danhow


But if you are so good what do you have to FEAR.
John 4


He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV)
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How does the bible define marriage. If I have a monogamous relationship and I declare it socially, am I married in a biblical sense? Or, do I need an official ceromony/marriage license for my union with my mate to be biblically acceptable as a holy union?
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Well thats interesting. According to the bible you are one flesh in gods eye once you have sex. So make sure its with a 'wife'.
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OP

Here is a question for you.

God gave Moses the ten commandments right. God never changes and is always the same.

One of the ten commandments says clearly, thou shall not kill.

Yet why later in the bible we hear the Jews receive a word from God where God tells them to go into a village and kill everything, man, woman, children and even beast.

Now if God is love and never changes how can this be....
what about religious wars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 359772



See your problem is you think that the creator of everything can't do whatever He wants to. How arrogant us humans are to think we can judge God.

Also it's possible that the people that were killed were nephilim or alter in some way by Satan but I am not sure. Who are we to judge what God tells us to do. Whether you like it or not He's in charge.
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