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Reincarnation and gender

 
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It may be that homosexual men were actually a woman in a previous life?
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Who tells You a male can incarnate as a female.

Males incarnate as males.
Females as females.

However, every Soul does have a Twin part.
That part can have the experiences of the 'other' gender.

And that experience can be exchanged.

Even Angels do have a gender, a masculine of feminine
energy they prefer to expose.

So I understand all the theoretic discutions relating
to this topic, but I have to disappoint those
who belief such.

But of course You can believe what You want.

All the Best,


VVizz of Ur
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And you can believe what you want. Why would your thoughts cause disappointment to me if I think differently?
Born into this World
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And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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And you can believe what you want. Why would your thoughts cause disappointment to me if I think differently?
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I can only tell you what I do see.
I don't even to believe that, neither to argue my stance.

There are people on Earth who think,
God is sitting on a Throne with grey hair.



You are all free to believe what You want.
Isn't that a joy :-)

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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I tend to believe that on the other side of the veil, we can choose which sex we wish to be and it is the much harder choice to choose female. this belief was derived when i was in an altered state of consciousness, not drug induced. i have always believed the body contains all the chemicals it could ever need.
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And you can believe what you want. Why would your thoughts cause disappointment to me if I think differently?


I can only tell you what I do see.
I don't even to believe that, neither to argue my stance.

There are people on Earth who think,
God is sitting on a Throne with grey hair.


You are all free to believe what You want.
Isn't that a joy :-)

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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Yeah. My mom is one of those that believes in the grey-haired God on a throne. It takes all kinds to make the world what it is.

peace
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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Reincarnation is greatly misunderstood in the West. You are not your ego, you are the universe and it's the universe that recreates itself into a new form.
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Gender has nothing to do with anything except reproduction.

That is the only reason nature created them.

Reincarnation is the myth for those who fear annihilation by death.
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I tend to believe that on the other side of the veil, we can choose which sex we wish to be and it is the much harder choice to choose female. this belief was derived when i was in an altered state of consciousness, not drug induced. i have always believed the body contains all the chemicals it could ever need.
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Of course You can change the package on the Other side.
But the content will be, or masculine, or feminine energy.

Only when the two parts of the Soul, merge,
their experience is exchanged.

So those who talk about their life into a female body,
when they are male (or visa versa) they get that information from such merging stade.

Sorry to poop the party :-)
I am in a funny day, let's enjoy.

At first glance it seems so, however :-)



So why do I post this, in relation with
God->pizza->Streaker->Twins

Well:



:-) Twinflames. :-D

Take care You all.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur

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I have my own thoughts on the subject, which I'll delve into later in this thread.

It seems it might be difficult for many men to consider that they had incarnated in feminine, physical forms in the past, which I understand to a degree.

I'd like to hear from females who think they may have incarnated in male, physical forms also.

Any thoughts? Hoping to learn something in this thread.

hf


Who tells You a male can incarnate as a female.

Males incarnate as males.
Females as females.

<snip>
 Quoting: VVizz



How can I say this without sounding cheeky..

What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?
It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe
- Heraclitus
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?
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Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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Of course You can change the package on the Other side.
But the content will be, or masculine, or feminine energy.

Only when the two parts of the Soul, merge,
their experience is exchanged.

So those who talk about their life into a female body,
when they are male (or visa versa) they get that information from such merging stade.

Sorry to poop the party :-)
I am in a funny day, let's enjoy.

At first glance it seems so, however :-)



So why do I post this, in relation with
God->pizza->Streaker->Twins

Well:



:-) Twinflames. :-D

Take care You all.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
 Quoting: VVizz


Hi V,
I say our highest self is neither male or female. somewhere down the line we choose masculine or feminine which i agree cannot be alteresd despite the package, but still the female package is the ballsier choice.
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I tend to believe that on the other side of the veil, we can choose which sex we wish to be and it is the much harder choice to choose female. this belief was derived when i was in an altered state of consciousness, not drug induced. i have always believed the body contains all the chemicals it could ever need.
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I do also, which is crucial to whether "mind over matter" "works" or not.

Our brains have their own "chemical factory", or ability to produce and disperse "drugs" that our mind or body might need, to give a general example, endorphins.
Well, I added the mind part myself, but the brains ability to create these isn't just for physical reasons, imho.

I wouldn't criticise anyone for taking prescribed psychiatric drugs, but I think they cause more problems than they solve, and have believed for years that fixing yourself is the best route to take
It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe
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A few years ago, I had a relationship with a woman, which lasted for less than 6 months, but had a huge impact on my life. Considering it's duration, it had more effect on me & my life than the last 5 years of my previous relationship.

It was a roller coaster ride, but when it was good, it was amazing!

Being able to convey how much we loved one another without the use of words or even body language, was one of the more mindblowing aspect for me, and her too I think.

I would look into her eyes and ask "Can you feel how much I love you?" and as soon as I'd asked, she'd say "Oh, yeah.."
Maybe she was more than a soul mate, and our 'timing was out' as you've said can happen - that was a big thing for her- timing. She once said "You're not ready for me!".
I said "Maybe you're not ready for me!"
I left it at that from then on, and let her think whatever she wanted to.. she was manic depressive, so was inclined to change her mind about things quite a lot.

Nobody has ever had so much affect on me and influenced my life as much as she did.
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great subject Celtic. It's unusual how some relationships have the value that you mentioned above. Maybe some people have known each other in lives before and are lucky enough to find each other again, i would like to think so.
'Your best shot at happiness, self-worth and personal satisfaction - the things that constitute real success - is not in earning as much as you can but in preforming as well as you can something you consider worthwhile. Whether that is healing the sick, giving hope to the hopeless, adding to the beauty of the world or saving it from a nuclear holocaust...' William Raspberry.
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what i've learned.. when god created us, he actually created twins. a male and female version of ourselves. this is our true soul mate. (the term is a little off here, we say soul mates on earth, but really we mean kindred souls) anyways, we take on the life of a male, or female. whatever we choose, which ever is necessary for us to accomplish the goals we have in mind.

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I have my own thoughts on the subject, which I'll delve into later in this thread.

It seems it might be difficult for many men to consider that they had incarnated in feminine, physical forms in the past, which I understand to a degree.

I'd like to hear from females who think they may have incarnated in male, physical forms also.

Any thoughts? Hoping to learn something in this thread.

hf


I am not certain about reincarnation even though I have my own past life memory which I can't readily explain! However, assuming that reincarnation occures, I have no problem with gender change as I believe that the soul - our eternal essense, has no particular gender identity. Gender identity being heavily influenced by hormones which would have zero effect on soul!

Just my opinion! hf
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The reason for your confusion is that you may be getting your genetic memories of your ancestors confused with your own . Genetic memories of our parents and on and on to our ancient ancestors are passed down to us and when we start to become enlightened they can start to come up and many get confused and think that they are remembering a past life they had when in reality they are just remembering one of their ancestors lives. What do all of you reincarnation pushers think about that? I hate reincarnation i think the thought of it goes against every fiber of our being and is a doctrine for those who don't want to account for their sins.
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo
It is the Thunderbolt that steers the Universe
- Heraclitus
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur


Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo
 Quoting: Celtic (Pictavian)


Words are one thing.
Those shape of the Soul another thing.

The blind can't see the form, neither the color.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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I'm a very male male mayself but I do remember past lives. The most recent memory was in a dream in which I got name, occupation and period of incarnation.
I googled the name next day, and sure enough, although it was 4th century AD the attitudes and actions of the man in question very much reflect my own in this lifetime.
Proof enough for me, added to all the other little bits and pieces over the years.
I can only remember two lifetimes as a female: one was an absolute disaster-born into a misogynist extremely violent culture to which I was , shall we say, temperamentally unsuited (push me and I'll push right back).
It gave me a deep understanding of what exactly it is that women face every day and why they behave the way they do.
The other was as a Celtic Raven shamaness-and I carried a sword.
Truthfully it was fun.
Very Kill Bill.
And that gave me an appreciation of why women are not to be messed with!
My personal experience is that the Male's role, at it's best,is to Serve and Protect.
That's from the male side.
The female side gives me an appreciation and love of the realm of the female-which is creation. Butterflies and trees and the gorgeous panoply of nature.
And sensitivity. And art, and music.
If you take either sex and try to remove it from the other, both go strange. Prisons or boarding schools.
Splitting the two, within yourself is also a recipe for disaster.
Me, I like both, both within myself and externally.
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I tend to believe that on the other side of the veil, we can choose which sex we wish to be and it is the much harder choice to choose female. this belief was derived when i was in an altered state of consciousness, not drug induced. i have always believed the body contains all the chemicals it could ever need.



I do also, which is crucial to whether "mind over matter" "works" or not.

Our brains have their own "chemical factory", or ability to produce and disperse "drugs" that our mind or body might need, to give a general example, endorphins.
Well, I added the mind part myself, but the brains ability to create these isn't just for physical reasons, imho.

I wouldn't criticise anyone for taking prescribed psychiatric drugs, but I think they cause more problems than they solve, and have believed for years that fixing yourself is the best route to take
 Quoting: Celtic (Pictavian)


Yes, our bodies' natural drugs/chemicals are necessary for body, mind, soul. anything created in a lab is a trip to Vegas.
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I say our highest self is neither male or female. somewhere down the line we choose masculine or feminine which i agree cannot be alteresd despite the package, but still the female package is the ballsier choice.
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Our highest Self is :-D
hmmm, I will not answer that.

But they say, it all starts with a pizza.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur


Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo
 Quoting: Celtic (Pictavian)

The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.
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It's all genetic memory this is your first time in mortality and your last time! You only get one chance to prove yourself and it's plenty if you ask me. After this mortal life eternity will be knocking on the door and you will exist forever as who you are! You can't run from your actions so change yourself for the better while you can. Mortality is a testing ground to see where we fit into the universe. The gods wouldn't just make us immortal right away because we wouldn't know how to handle it plus who knows what kind of abuse of power some would commit if they weren't proven first.
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As a small child, I argued with my father over reincarnation... We didn't call it that. I didn't know there was a word for the memories I had or my absolute knowing that I had lived other lives, in other places and times. He tested my "knowing" with his arguments and pushed me to accept this as my "only" life, my single opportunity to get it right. I hated that, railed against it, but now realize the wisdom of that approach. Time is short even though you have all the time you will ever need. lol

And to answer your question, Yes! there have been lives of both genders and even 'genderless' experiences, not of this particular world. I don't waste a lot of time thinking or talking about this sort of stuff, but I do 'remember'.

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It's all genetic memory this is your first time in mortality and your last time! You only get one chance to prove yourself and it's plenty if you ask me. After this mortal life eternity will be knocking on the door and you will exist forever as who you are! You can't run from your actions so change yourself for the better while you can. Mortality is a testing ground to see where we fit into the universe. The gods wouldn't just make us immortal right away because we wouldn't know how to handle it plus who knows what kind of abuse of power some would commit if they weren't proven first.
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Life would not be such a pain the ass if that were the case. we'd be so much freer in our one physical life. we'd be children forever in eden. in some ways this is the case, but we lost sight of it all.
it is about the real thing vs simulation; every time we will, choose the real thing over simulation.
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The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.
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I see it differently. I see that each soul is at the level they are at in their growth. So therefore, the truths they can achieve are limited by their understanding. It's up to each one to keep pushing that envelope.

If I chose to stop today and say that I had found the truth..Eureka!! then the rest of my life would be what?

I am finding my truth. I don't need to seek someone elses. And for some reason, I don't think I am supposed to. I am supposed to see it my way.
Born into this World
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And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur


Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo

The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.
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The problem with 'to have a problem' is actually in the one who does have a problem and feels uncomfortable to have this problem.

I don't have a problem at all to reveil what I known.
And related to sin. There is no sin.
All is expression, a way to learn from it or a way to recognize finaly Yourself.

Only humankind makes judgement, not the Supreme Energy.
Why should that Supreme Energy makes judgement,
after giving Free Will to those who incarnated
to experience the Big Game in multi-levels.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.
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I think I know enough about myself to honestly say I'm not looking to get into a "level of enlightenment" contest with anyone, and when someone claims a high enlightenment level, I'm naturally a little wary.

Until their own comments get me thinking, and I realize i might learn something new from them, I'm only halfway in
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur


Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo

The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.


The problem with 'to have a problem' is actually in the one who does have a problem and feels uncomfortable to have this problem.

I don't have a problem at all to reveil what I known.
And related to sin. There is no sin.
All is expression, a way to learn from it or a way to recognize finaly Yourself.

Only humankind makes judgement, not the Supreme Energy.
Why should that Supreme Energy makes judgement,
after giving Free Will to those who incarnated
to experience the Big Game in multi-levels.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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What gives you authority over all the other sources, and makes them wrong and you right?


Because I am one of the oldest Sun on this rock ?

See previous post, how all is connected.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur


Anybody could say that

You have read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, aye?

If I took everything that everyone said here as the truth, I'd be one confused bozo

The problem with most people and i'm not saying this about you but just in general is that when the truth is revealed or offered to them they reject it and come up with their own doctrine of delusion to guide them through their confused mortal state. They do this for many reasons but mostly because it's what makes them feel comfort in living their sinful lives. This world is so backwards and far from the truth that is has to be cleansed almost entirely of its inhabitants because of their lack of understanding of the ways things really are. They go against themselves and the universe and a being who is against itself cannot stand. good luck to those who really seek the truth and not just something that gives them comfort in sin.


The problem with 'to have a problem' is actually in the one who does have a problem and feels uncomfortable to have this problem.

I don't have a problem at all to reveil what I known.
And related to sin. There is no sin.
All is expression, a way to learn from it or a way to recognize finaly Yourself.

Only humankind makes judgement, not the Supreme Energy.
Why should that Supreme Energy makes judgement,
after giving Free Will to those who incarnated
to experience the Big Game in multi-levels.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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And because of your pride and misunderstanding of you purpose in mortality your progression has been retarded and your full potential as a co-creator will never be realized in its fullest. You will always remain acted upon! To deny sin is to deny perfection. You can't have one without the other and there is an opposition in all things. We are here to make mistakes and learn from them and these mistakes we make are sins or negativity. Since we are mortal we can make mistakes and correct them since this is a temporal world but once you leave mortality you won't be able to correct your mistakes and they will follow you forever. So be wise and change your ways now because sin is real and it will retard your progression.





GLP