Reincarnation and gender

We spend too much time trying to imagine ways to keep death from having the final sting.

What a better place this world would be if we tried to live life for the benefit of mankind rather than selfishly trying to avoid the finality of death.

Reincarnation, recycled souls and what, pray tell, would be the point of that?

Celtic, i have been given clues that i am at a high level of enlightenment at least twice so far, so i surely give V the benefit of the doubt. i have always taken a stand above conformity. however, the achievements i've made do not place me any higher or lower than anyone else. my achievements do not insist i work any harder than any other because of them. we are equal and equally necessary.

Do you really have to ask?

How about, it might make us think "hey! If i'm gonna keep reincarnating into this world, maybe I should start trying to make it a better place to live"

I wasn't trying to say VizZ isn't worth listening to, maybe I just don't know him well enough yet to catch on to what he has to say

I know I am sceptical sometimes, it's part of me, and I keep an eye on it but I'd call my current level of my scepticism healthy

Last Edited by CelticLegends on 09/20/2009 08:23 PM

Yes, it is the great time of discernment. but realize most is not all people believe what they say. ex, G.W.B

I agree. That's why it's kind of "abrasive" when people say things like sorry to disappoint but you are all wrong. In my mind, that's not respectful of another's path.

If people want to share things that's great! But it should be done in a compassionate way and with respect.

Age of Enlightenment? If you break the bounds of religion you will be amazed at how clearly you see the world.

A chicken can see a nice worm,
but the Eagly in sky, does not look to the worm,
but the chicken.

Perfection excludes the possibility to have failure.
All is perfect.

As You can't judge me neither.

The chicken can not see the back of the flying Eagle.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur

Interesting thread!

For myself, I am about 95% convinced that reincarnation is indeed a reality.

I first started studying the subject around 35 years ago. There are a number of convincing books on the subject, including several by Edgar Cayce -- Many Mansions and There Is A River to name two of his studies. Also Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian L. Weiss, and also Dr. Weiss’ Through Time Into Healing. Ian (can’t remember his last name) wrote You Cannot Die, another thought-provoking study of past lives.

The other 5% of my thinking is open to Taylor Caldwell’s theory that it isn’t past lives we remember, but genetic memory – genetic remembrances of the lives of our ancestors.

Whichever it is (and I tend to believe in reincarnation), I believe I have had many past lives, and at various times in my life I have had experiences which have triggered memories of some of them, including:

* A life as a monk, during which I copied the Bible in calligraphy; (male incarnation)
* A Shaman – somewhere in Central America; (male incarnation)
* A woman doctor in Greece; (female incarnation)
* A bullfighter in Spain; (male incarnation)
* A heretic in the middle ages and burned at the stake. (female incarnation)

Right or not? … Who knows?

fwiw

I agree with that too, and although videos are very educational and serve a good purpose, I'd rather speak to a real person about their views because I think I can learn much more from that

Yep. I know it's easier to point someone to a website or a video to explain it all, but that still only boils down to our own differing interpretations of the information. I like to know how people feel.

Let me ask you what is your ultimate goal in your existence?

The other 5% of my thinking is open to Taylor Caldwell’s theory that it isn’t past lives we remember, but genetic memory – genetic remembrances of the lives of our ancestors.
Thats the true answer when it comes to reincarnation. It isn't real and never will be! Resurrection is our destiny! Progression not degression is our goal! You will find no truth in reincarnation so dump it and move onto something worth your time.

No thank you

As spiritual beings in physical form, the idea of reincarnation just makes sense unless one doesn't believe we are spiritual beings.

in any case we are all entitled to our opinions and experiences regarding this.

I believe in reincarnation 100% but also understand some memories/knowledge is genetic and ancestral.

DNA is very powerful stuff.

Another thought to ponder is the physical form is often a reflection from the previous life and certain birth defects or birth marks may be the result from past life trauma. for instance, a person with a birth mark on their temple may have been shot in the head in another life. DNA remembers and manifests the scar in this incarnation.

Dr. Ian Stevenson of the University of Virginia has done extensive research on reincarnation and how our current bodies reflect our past life's experiences.

[link to www.near-death.com]

Also, since we do live in a linear world timeline, the concept of simultaneous existences co-existing is hard for most people to grasp. exploring the concepts of reincarnation is a great way to start exploring our unseen universe.

Thanks for all of the responses in here

Ok but don't say that i didn't warn you because i did and i'm right. I know it sounds prideful but really i am right on this and i ccouldn't live with myself if i didn't at least try so i tried and failed because you are so dumb but again i tried so at least i can live with that. but on the other hand i don't know if i want to live in a world full of reincarnation whores. There is no point to a pointless doctrine such as reincarnation. Edgar cayce didn't understand what he was seeing so he embraced it as reincarnation when in reality it is genetic memory which is the only thing that makes sense. You have never lived a mortal life before i can guarantee that. But go ahead with your pisces mumbo jumbo and have a nice day.

Interesting thread Celtic.

I strongly believe in reincarnation. If you look to the Christian Bible and the teachings of the prophet Jesus of Nazareth you will find clues as the cause and effect of Karma and reincarnation. That's all I will say with regards to religion.

I believe that each sojourn of the soul, is for growth and this growth includes a balance between the male and female energies. If your one that is excessively masculine or excessively feminine then guess what? You are going to experience a shift that may just be difficult for you to deal with. This my friends is where homosexuality comes from; that need to balance feminine and masculine energies. I should add that not all cases of homosexuality are due to a balancing of energies but can also be karmic in nature.

To the one that wrote about genetic memory, I have heard this theory before and wouldn't exactly dismiss it in whole as there may be something to this but more likely on a cellular level in the sense of instinct, rather than soul memory.

Here is the one I couldn't remember the last name of the author -- it is Ian Currie

[link to www.afterlife101.com]

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You Cannot Die, The Incredible Findings of a Century of Research on Death, by Ian Currie, Somerville House, 1978
Summary (from book cover)
What happens when we die? Is there a soul that survives?

The mysteries of death and dying have awed, frightened and fascinated humankind since time immemorial. Research on death in this century has been particularly extensive and author and psychic researcher Ian Currie painstakingly amassed the results of thhis wide-ranging material.

In a riveting presentation that often reads like a detective story, Currie uses case histories of para-psychological phenomena from out-of-the-body experiences, deathbed visions, mediumship, apparitions, possessions and hauntings, to advance the startling but liberating proposition that human beings do survive physical death.

Originally published in 1979, this landmark study about death and dying provides clear evidence that we have lived before, that we will live again and that, indeed, we cannot die.

Key Results

The author claims: "Few people are aware that death, man's most ancient, mysterious, and relentless adversary, has been studied systematically over the past century by research scientists working in a variety of fields. Even fewer are aware that the harvest of this effort has been a host of fascinating discoveries which lead to four inescapable conclusions:

Human beings do survive physical death.
They continue to exist after death at varying levles of awareness and creativity, in a realm that embodied human beings cannot normally perceive.
This realm is periodically left when the individual takes on a new body, at which time all memory of it, and of former lives, is erased.
Successive re-imbodiments do not occur at random, but appear to be linked by a mysterious and fascinating law of causation."
Many of the most important paranormal events taking place over the past century (up to 1978) have been chronicled in this book. Each is tied to a research reference. This author has chosen to gather his results into the following categories:

Apparitions

Apparitions are generally images of persons who have died previously which can be seen with varying degrees of fidelity. They are not hallucinations because of (1) the normality of the witnesses, (2) some are seen collectively by more than one viewer, (3) some are seen sequentially over time by more than one viewer, (4) some involve tangible physical phenonema, and (5) animals can sometimes sense such a presence.

Hauntings

Hauntings are manifestations of spirits who have not made a transition into the spirit world after death. They generally are linked to a place, not a person. There are many investigated cases of persons who have experienced hauntings. Some success has been had with mediums being able to converse with the "stuck" spirits and convince them to move in the normal fashion into the spirit world.

Out-of-the-Body Experiences

Surveys indicate that an astonishingly high 20% or more of people feel that they have had an experience where they saw their own body from a location outside that body. There are many historical references to this, and thousands of these cases have been reported in modern times. In some of these verified cases, information is reported that could not have been observed from the person's body, and in a fewer number of cases, others view the out-of-body experiencer in apparitional form. Finally, there are cases where the experiencer is able to take some physical action while out of his/her body, including carrying on a conversation, and these events are observed by others. There is one recorded case where a woman, who claimed frequent out-of-body experiences, was able to report, while her sleep was being monitored, a specific number which had been placed so that it could only have been observed from close to the ceiling. The field of remote viewing, with its quite remarkable string of operational and research successes, appears to be one form of projection of some form of one's self to a remote location in order to report what is seen there. The appearance that one may have while out of body, seen by one's self or by others, is believed to be determined by one's thought.

Deathbed Visions

Many people who are dying slowly , shortly before death, (1) experience a vision of someone who has passed over previously or of a religious figure, and/or (2) see visions of a paradise-like world of the afterlife, and/or (3) have medically inexplicable mood elevations. In rare cases, a shared apparition is seen by others at the death-bed. Documented cases exist where the dying individual saw a vision of a person whom they believed was alive but who later was found to have died recently. Certain psychics who have been at the deathbed of dying individuals report sharing the seeing of apparitions with them, although no other person there has the same vision. The following possible causes of deathbed hallucination have been investigated and eliminated--lack of oxygen, drugs, fever, stress, fear and brain injuries or disease. The remaining cause is an altered state of consciousness associated with being near death, the same state which mediums and psychics can assume.

Resuscitation Experiences

A large number of Near Death Experiences (NDE's) are described. They are subject to wide variability. The first part of these are often out-of-body experiences (similar to those of living persons) while their body is dead or nearly so. They also often meet with friends who have passed over previously, or religious figures, and report an ascension into light. A life review is often conducted. In a number of cases during an out-of-body phase of an NDE, sights are reported which could not be seen by the body itself because of its location and orientation. The events reported in NDE's correlate with those reported by mediums who communicate with spirits who actually died and did not return.

Possession Experiences

Possession is believed to occur when a person feels that a discarnate entity has entered their body or their mind and exerted control over behavioral and mental functions. The careless use of ouija boards has apparently caused a number of possessions to occur. Various cases of possession are described.

Reincarnation

The meticulous investigations conducted by Dr. Ian Stevenson have established that many cases of claimed reincarnation from spontaneous recollections by children are true beyond any doubt. In some cases a physical birthmark is present at the exact location of a wound which caused the death of the earlier personality. In some cases, xenoglossy has been demonstrated, which is the capability to converse in a foreign language learned in a prior life but one which the present personality has not been exposed to. In large scale hypnotic regression of patients to past lives, it was found that these occurred on a 50-50 basis of male or female which corresponds with the world's birth statistics and most lives were quite ordinary. A large fraction of people who were hypnotically regressed to that time before their current birth indicated that their life today and family had been carefully selected while they were still in the spirit world.

Mediumistic Communications

The experiences of a number of early mediums is described, including that of Edgar Cayce. A principal figure in this topic area is Frederic Myers, an early spiritualist researcher and founder of the first Society for Psychical Research who died in 1901. He wrote one of the most comprehensive analyses of human survivability after death. After his own death, he initiated as a spirit a very complex series of messages to a number of mediums, known as the cross-correspondences. When those messages were assembled at a central location, they revealed for the first time the coherent communication that was transmitted--this was Myers' attempt to show to skeptics that communications from the afterlife were real. He described various aspects of the spirit world in subsequent communications.

Primary Reasons to Read This Work

This book is an excellent overall summary of 100 years of research evidence for the survival of human consciousness. It covers many individual topics and provides an additional framework of evidence of the afterlife. By itself it constitutes a strong argument for the existence of life after death.
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This thread really disappoints me. I thought there would be far more up-to-speed people posting here.

Sadly, this forum has degraded considerably in the past year. This thread is a good thermometer of the minds and degree of ignorance, not only here, but perhaps around the planet at this time.

Maybe:


Or maybe:


Or mmm


It changes all the time !


All the Best,

VVizz of Ur

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Please enlighten us ...


In what way does the thread disappoint you?

What would a "more up-to-speed" person post?

How has the forum degraded considerably in the past year?

And what has your "thermometer of the minds and degree of ignorance ..." indicated to you?

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guarantee? how? what is your information based on?

So.. share why you think that is then, because what you've said is too vague to let anyone understand what you mean, and also contains nothing specific that anyone might want to counter.

Last Edited by CelticLegends on 09/20/2009 09:32 PM

Thanks for the offer but I don't need your warnings
Why say "have a nice day" when you don't mean it?

Just sounds like negative ranting to me

Which makes more sense memories of coming back to mortality again and again for no purpose or genetic memories of your predecessors? I'm not saying that we didn't exist in spirit before we came here i'm just saying that this is the first and only mortal trial and after this we are resurrected and continue on as ourselves because we can't be anyone else. And the gender trading aspect of reincarnation is ridiculous. Our spirits are either male or female positive or negative according to the nature of our core intelligence.

Hmmmm, well instead of the negativity why don't you offer some insight into the problem. Do you consider yourself to be ignorant? Or do you feel more enlightened than the rest of us. If that is so then please share. I, however, disagree with you. If anything this forum is getting better. There are more and more views being shared on GLP than ever before, just because you don't like a topic or the responses does not make the posters ignorant, if anything it just serves to show how ignorant YOU are.

Well see since you insulted me it just shows you that you don't follow your own advice and give into the ways of others therefore proving that you are not enlightened and easily swayed by the actions of others. chupame

I just don't think anything I say might benefit you and vice versa.

What you think you know makes more sense to you; what I think I know makes more sense to me, I'm happy to leave it at that

coming back again and again does make sense to me. how do you know there is no purpose to our coming back? just because you fail to understand a purpose to reincarnation doesn't mean that there is not one.

and how can you guarantee that we all have only one mortal life? what would be the purpose in that? what about children that die young and babies dying in infancy. one time only for them too?

Last Edited by Ossiel on 09/20/2009 09:57 PM