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Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?

 
The 51st State
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09/29/2009 11:25 PM
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Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
Israel is clearly a state mandated Jewish racialist theocracy.
The right of return to eretz israel from other countries is reserved exclusively for jews.

These are typically un-American values.

The establishment clause states that that the federal government should have no say in the establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof.

The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."
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09/29/2009 11:39 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
It's worse than that. Israel is a criminal country.
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09/29/2009 11:42 PM
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No, considering Israel's strategic placement in the Middle East, the decision to support Israel is mere foreign policy, albeit bad foreign policy.
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09/29/2009 11:46 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
It's worse than that. Israel is a criminal country.
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It's much, much worse than you can possibly imagine. They're looting the United States. They care not if our economy fails. When we reach a point where we'll be just too broke to pay their obscene extortion money anymore, they'll simply find a new 'ally' in China and eventually do the same thing to them. Once they devour & destroy a resourse they simply move to another
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10/04/2009 08:31 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.
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10/04/2009 08:34 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536


yeah, they sure supported us with troops in Gulf War I, Gulf War II and afghanistan. Good to know that they are paying us back.
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10/04/2009 08:35 PM
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No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.
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ah, wouldn't it be better to establish an alliance with the folks who actually have the oil?
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10/04/2009 08:38 PM
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No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.


ah, wouldn't it be better to establish an alliance with the folks who actually have the oil?
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rationalism doesnt work with zionists
Anon
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10/04/2009 09:12 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
How do you separate religion from the state? Belief in the legal fiction construct, also known as the "state", is a religious belief, that must be enforced through indoctrination centers, controlled by people who worship the religion of the state.
The church of God, is not compatible with the stateist religion.
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10/04/2009 09:28 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
Israel is not a church or religion but a country so what are you driving at?

In addition, there is no state-sponsored religion in Israel and you can't really argue that we have in any way sponsored the Israeli sponsorship of anything by giving them money.

Now on the other hand, government funds provided to the NEA, NAACP, SPLC, or anyone of dozens of similar groups is questionably a violation of the First Amendment. I'd be interested in your thoughts on that.
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10/04/2009 09:55 PM
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the declaration of indepedence says
our creator endowed us with certain in-alienable rights,

the usa constitution listed some of those rights,,,in the bill of rights,
such as freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly,

the early americans' god was the god of the bible,,,,the lord jesus christ,

so, IT WAS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO GAVE US OUR FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS!
AS PER OUR FOUNDERS!

HALLELUJAH!

PRAISE GOD!

and jesus super-blessed the usa above other nations, because usa gave people bible-belief and freedoms!

usa is super-blessed with jobs, opportunities, money, peace, education, health care, safety net, stability, prosperity, power, world-domination, lone super-power,

the christian nation is the super-blessed nation.

when israel was led by faithful kings (david and solomon),,,,she had her GOLDEN AGE of wealth, power, wisdom, influence, peace,


but in the last 40 years, usa has gone into apostacy, sex, drugs, evolution, corruption, wars, christ-hatred, christ-mocking, bible-deny-ing-preachers, socialism,
and God has humbled/chastized/felled usa since 9-11-01
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10/04/2009 10:53 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
israel is a city state like dc correct?

if so then its on its own regarding any issues it may have, although america can support city states; s seperation of church and state means the state cannot intervene on matters pertaining church and vis a vis.

it is a difficult answer to give because in the state people are elected to represent the people, as long as we dont elect based on church authority then there is no breach. in israels case the truth of weather or not america is default in israels policies and government really rely on how much help isreal is getting from the church of america and not the state itself.
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10/04/2009 11:23 PM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536

bingo we need Israel. She is vital to our Middleast Regional Strategic Vital Interest . oxymorons have not figured it out, yet. Congress knows it and sets aside some funds for her. Her economy would grow in leaps and bounds, but right now,, Islamist has her in its sights constantly . So she does stand up to them , if need be. It is a deterant to her enemies. THAT LITTLE PLACE HAS SOME OF THE BEST ADVACED WARFARE STRAGETIES, BUT HAS NEVER BEEN EVER EVEN BEEN USED. NOR LIKELY TO BE USED ... ...............................AMERICA ALSO GIVES SOME SMALL AID EGYPT PHILIPENES AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES .
Anonymous Coward
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10/05/2009 07:49 AM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
No, our alliance with Israel is vital to give us a position in the Middle East that can be counted on should the need ever arise. Given the oil reserves in the region, it is in our own vital interest to support Israel.

bingo we need Israel. She is vital to our Middleast Regional Strategic Vital Interest . oxymorons have not figured it out, yet. Congress knows it and sets aside some funds for her. Her economy would grow in leaps and bounds, but right now,, Islamist has her in its sights constantly . So she does stand up to them , if need be. It is a deterant to her enemies. THAT LITTLE PLACE HAS SOME OF THE BEST ADVACED WARFARE STRAGETIES, BUT HAS NEVER BEEN EVER EVEN BEEN USED. NOR LIKELY TO BE USED ... ...............................AMERICA ALSO GIVES SOME SMALL AID EGYPT PHILIPENES AND A FEW OTHER COUNTRIES .
 Quoting: anonymous 786487

stfu
dennis
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10/05/2009 08:16 AM
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Re: Is American Support for Israel a breach of the Seperation of Church and State?
it was impossible for israel to win the 1948, 1967, and 1973 wars,
but,
she won!

it was a miracle from God

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