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Comparing Ascension with the Rapture

 
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09/30/2009 11:13 PM
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Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
I was wondering is there any source or proof for the rapture outside of the bible?

I know many different sources talking about ascension, but are there sources, other than the bible, talking about a Rapture, where only christians ascend and the rest of the world will be left behind?

Do you guys who believe in a rapture, also believe in the possibility of an ascension?

Or do you strictly say that the Rapture will happen, but ascension is impossible or a lie, or whatever you think about it?

If so how can you believe in a rapture for christians, but not in an ascension for whole humanity, or lets say those humans who choose to be part of it, isn`t that very self serving and the opposite of Jesus and God`s teachings?

And don`t tell me that everyone can choose to believe in Jesus as their saviour and in God. These humans are believing as strongly in their God and have as much faith in their religion or belief, as you do in yours.

I would like to know your views on those things.

For clarification:

Rapture = Only Christians will ascend
Ascension = Every on the Service to Others path will ascend
Full Circle

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09/30/2009 11:18 PM
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
I was wondering is there any source or proof for the rapture outside of the bible?

I know many different sources talking about ascension, but are there sources, other than the bible, talking about a Rapture, where only christians ascend and the rest of the world will be left behind?

Do you guys who believe in a rapture, also believe in the possibility of an ascension?

Or do you strictly say that the Rapture will happen, but ascension is impossible or a lie, or whatever you think about it?

If so how can you believe in a rapture for christians, but not in an ascension for whole humanity, or lets say those humans who choose to be part of it, isn`t that very self serving and the opposite of Jesus and God`s teachings?

And don`t tell me that everyone can choose to believe in Jesus as their saviour and in God. These humans are believing as strongly in their God and have as much faith in their religion or belief, as you do in yours.

I would like to know your views on those things.

For clarification:

Rapture = Only Christians will ascend
Ascension = Every on the Service to Others path will ascend
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544


For one: The bible does not clarify a rapture event. some scriptures have only been interpreted that way. The rapture only became doctrine in the 18th century.

Please go research where new age ascension and beliefs come from. Start with "new thought". New age and "christ consciousness" only came from a branch of presbyterian outgrowing.

Can you go within?
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09/30/2009 11:21 PM
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
I was wondering is there any source or proof for the rapture outside of the bible?

I know many different sources talking about ascension, but are there sources, other than the bible, talking about a Rapture, where only christians ascend and the rest of the world will be left behind?

Do you guys who believe in a rapture, also believe in the possibility of an ascension?

Or do you strictly say that the Rapture will happen, but ascension is impossible or a lie, or whatever you think about it?

If so how can you believe in a rapture for christians, but not in an ascension for whole humanity, or lets say those humans who choose to be part of it, isn`t that very self serving and the opposite of Jesus and God`s teachings?

And don`t tell me that everyone can choose to believe in Jesus as their saviour and in God. These humans are believing as strongly in their God and have as much faith in their religion or belief, as you do in yours.

I would like to know your views on those things.

For clarification:

Rapture = Only Christians will ascend
Ascension = Every on the Service to Others path will ascend


For one: The bible does not clarify a rapture event. some scriptures have only been interpreted that way. The rapture only became doctrine in the 18th century.

Please go research where new age ascension and beliefs come from. Start with "new thought". New age and "christ consciousness" only came from a branch of presbyterian outgrowing.

Can you go within?
 Quoting: Full Circle


I know quite alot about the ascension, what do you mean exactly?

That christ consciousness is nonsense?
rb
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09/30/2009 11:32 PM
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
well in acts 1 Jesus physically ascended from the mount of olives.

thessalonians describes how believers will rise to meet Him in the middle of the air -- which is commonly interpreted as the rapture.

the Bible shows nonbelievers as being destroyed and cast into the lake of fire, which can hardly be interpreted as ascending ;-)

love rb
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09/30/2009 11:33 PM
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I know quite alot about the ascension, what do you mean exactly?

That christ consciousness is nonsense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544


Have you researched it? Or just accepted it as your belief?
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
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09/30/2009 11:38 PM
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
I know quite alot about the ascension, what do you mean exactly?

That christ consciousness is nonsense?


Have you researched it? Or just accepted it as your belief?
 Quoting: Full Circle


I have researched it really much, from all kind of views.

Just accepting it, without really knowing, wouldn`t be an option for me, all my life revolves around gaining as much knowledge, first from the outside, now from the inside, about the ascension and topics related to it.
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09/30/2009 11:49 PM
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I wonder what you are trying to tell me.^^

I know some of your posts and your views, galactic superwave and so on, and I know that we are actually on the same wavelength.

Your name says it all already, if you mean the circle or the circles related to the ascension?

Do you know the Law of One?
Full Circle

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09/30/2009 11:57 PM
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I wonder what you are trying to tell me.^^

I know some of your posts and your views, galactic superwave and so on, and I know that we are actually on the same wavelength.

Your name says it all already, if you mean the circle or the circles related to the ascension?

Do you know the Law of One?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544


I'm not trying to tell you anything. All I ever do is try to get people to expand their views. To open up to the "Law of One". For there is only One.

And the only way to it is through within. And trust. Can you trust your self? And your connection?
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
I wonder what you are trying to tell me.^^

I know some of your posts and your views, galactic superwave and so on, and I know that we are actually on the same wavelength.

Your name says it all already, if you mean the circle or the circles related to the ascension?

Do you know the Law of One?


I'm not trying to tell you anything. All I ever do is try to get people to expand their views. To open up to the "Law of One". For there is only One.

And the only way to it is through within. And trust. Can you trust your self? And your connection?
 Quoting: Full Circle


Yes I trust myself and my connection to the One.
I know that it is all about the within, there is no outside in reality, because if everything is One, you are everything in existence and if you are everything in existence, nothing can be outside of you, everything will always be within you.
So if you change your inside, the outside will reflect those changes, but that it is actually outside of you, is just an illusion, because in a higher consciousness it is still within you.

Does that make sense?
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Yes I trust myself and my connection to the One.
I know that it is all about the within, there is no outside in reality, because if everything is One, you are everything in existence and if you are everything in existence, nothing can be outside of you, everything will always be within you.
So if you change your inside, the outside will reflect those changes, but that it is actually outside of you, is just an illusion, because in a higher consciousness it is still within you.

Does that make sense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544


It's a bit rambly! But yeah. I know the point you are putting across.

You seek connection to the Source. Trust it. That's all that matters.
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
Full Circle

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10/01/2009 11:41 AM
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Yes I trust myself and my connection to the One.
I know that it is all about the within, there is no outside in reality, because if everything is One, you are everything in existence and if you are everything in existence, nothing can be outside of you, everything will always be within you.
So if you change your inside, the outside will reflect those changes, but that it is actually outside of you, is just an illusion, because in a higher consciousness it is still within you.

Does that make sense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544


I apologize. I don't mean rambly exactly, abstract maybe.

Can you share your thoughts on what you think ascension/rapture means to you?
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
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Re: Comparing Ascension with the Rapture
That`s fine Full Circle :-)

The Rapture has no meaning for me, because it is a self serving concept and cannot possibly come from a higher consciousness or the One Creator.
To me the concept of the rapture is created by humans and clearly mirrors a human consciousness level, which is based on the Ego and has nothing to do with the Law of One.

I even believe that some christians who believe in the Rapture and Jesus saving them, might in the end be the ones who have to stay for another circle in third dimension, because they never took responsibility for their own lifes and didn`t evolve enough on a spiritual level, because they think they will be saved anyways.

They never looked within, they always looked for outside sources, to blame or to praise, so they never found their true power and their true self, they never found their connection to the One and give all their spiritual energy away by worshiping beings who are outside of them.

That doesn`t count for everyone, in the end it is all about the path you decide to take and how well you can mirror and live this path in your own life. You can be either on the Service to Self path or Service to Others path and the Service to Others path is the way to ascension.


I thought long about what Ascension means to me and actually I cannot put it into words, it is beyond that, words aren`t enough to describe this.

It is most of all a feeling for me...
A feeling of infinite Love, Joy, Knowingness and Oneness.

hf





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