CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 682859 United States 10/05/2009 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. FIRST THE FOOT: Quoting: DONKEY KONG 774154"Even if carbon 14 were totally accurate and useable as far back in time as it goes, it only goes back for 40 thousands years. An evolutionist who believes the dinosaur is 70 million years old will not use carbon 14 on it because of this 40,000 year upper limit." [link to www.parentcompany.com] An evolutionist who believes the dinosaur is 70 million years old will not use carbon 14 An evolutionist who believes the dinosaur is 70 million years old will not use carbon 14 NOW THE MOUTH: "In most cases, the fossilization process began when a plant or animal died and was quickly covered with sediments, usually at the bottom of a body of water. The loose sediments protected the bodily remains from the elements, bacteria and other forces that cause weathering and decay. This slowed the decaying process down so that some of the remains (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years." [link to science.howstuffworks.com] (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years." (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years." For the bones of dinosaurs to have survived they would have had to have been preserved, therewith, they contain carbon within that preservation even if they're a billion years old, ha,ha,ha, but evolutionist bypass carbon-14 testing GOD forbid they should show the World the results proving those bones to have carbon and DESTROYING their fairytale theory alleging that these Giants once walked the earth millions of years ago. Thereafter there is always DNA, ha,ha,ha, you remember DNA? Have the surviving bone fragments tested to see if they really contain the blueprint of life. The preserved specimens would allow the DNA to still have its original code largely unaffected by time. LOL -- science fiction is over! Carbon dating is so SUPER flawed. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Carbon dating is so SUPER flawed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682859I don't care about its accuracy, my only interest is to ascertain if there is carbon within the dinosaurs bones. Thereafter there is DNA, ha,ha,ha, lol!!! |
paranoid eyes User ID: 692798 United States 10/05/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Whiskey Brother User ID: 764850 United States 10/05/2009 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Who said carbon 14 is how they date fossils? Or did you make another leap of faith? Or maybe, just maybe, you MIGHT have a GED, (and that's a big maybe...) and it's so much easier to just think that people should not use the brains God gave them and not even think about dinosaurs and history, because it "goes against the bible" or something... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. What are you trying to say? That dinosaurs aren't real? My crazy Seventh Day Adventist uncle doesn't believe the dinosaurs were real either. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787165LOL -- you trying to associate your crazy Uncle only shows that it runs in your family -- DNA!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 787185 Germany 10/05/2009 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. OP. You needn't waste time with a 40,000 year upper limit when moisture of any kind invalidates samples. Now, we all know fossils are formed in mud. This alone destroys the validity of ANY date attributed to fossils using C14 dating techniques. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. OP. You needn't waste time with a 40,000 year upper limit when moisture of any kind invalidates samples. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787185Now, we all know fossils are formed in mud. This alone destroys the validity of ANY date attributed to fossils using C14 dating techniques. Ha,Ha,Ha, lol, have them DNA test the dinosaurs bones, see if they really contain the blueprint of life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 787200 Canada 10/05/2009 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. what's that Bill is doing, you religious folks may ask? Oh, he's speaking in this new language, you may have heard of it, it's called COMMON SENSE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 778993 United States 10/05/2009 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. LOL -- science fiction is over! Quoting: DONKEY KONG 774154Okay so, you think that since we have flawed science for testing something that old in this time.. That 2000 years ago we somehow knew MORE about the world because of The Bible? That a big invisible guy lives in the clouds and watches every single thing you do, even when you go take a shit? IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE PROPOSING SIR!? |
grrttsgar User ID: 787216 United States 10/05/2009 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Think about this and I will try and keep it short. Reptiles eithe live/sleep in the ground or are prone to water. The two that lack of fir are the Hippo and elephant both very prone to water. Also the elephant is a decendant from the mammoth. I suspect the hippos reatives to also be covered with hair. We are post amagedon. The elephant and hippo are fond of water to cool their skin. The t-rex(WTF)? Where is the connect? Bones made of cement maybe? The media learned that the people will believe whatever they say. We are in a time where people are beginning to question everything. That is one of the main reasons that they need to knock the population down. To start over and avoid telling the truth for the lies they have told to everyone. Right down to the moon and sun. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Okay so, you think that since we have flawed science for testing something that old in this time.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778993That 2000 years ago we somehow knew MORE about the world because of The Bible? That a big invisible guy lives in the clouds and watches every single thing you do, even when you go take a shit? IS THAT THE BULLSHIT YOU ARE PROPOSING SIR!? here ya go geniuses. let Mr. Bill Hicks set your minds right. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787200[link to www.youtube.com] what's that Bill is doing, you religious folks may ask? Oh, he's speaking in this new language, you may have heard of it, it's called COMMON SENSE. Ha,Ha,Ha, you're all afraid of a little DNA, ha,ha,ha, have Maury do it, ha,ha,ha, lol, have him DNA test the dinosaurs bones and annouce the results on his show, "GLP -- no DNA found on bones!" Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha, LOL!!!! |
ToSeek User ID: 445334 United States 10/05/2009 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Thereafter there is always DNA, ha,ha,ha, you remember DNA? Have the surviving bone fragments tested to see if they really contain the blueprint of life. The preserved specimens would allow the DNA to still have its original code largely unaffected by time. Quoting: DONKEY KONG 774154They've tried and failed: [link to www.sciencenews.org] (PDF file) |
ToSeek User ID: 445334 United States 10/05/2009 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Carbon dating is so SUPER flawed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774154I don't care about its accuracy, my only interest is to ascertain if there is carbon within the dinosaurs bones. Thereafter there is DNA, ha,ha,ha, lol!!! Carbon is not the key; carbon-14 is. Of course there's going to be carbon - it's one of the most common elements on the planet. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Thereafter there is always DNA, ha,ha,ha, you remember DNA? Have the surviving bone fragments tested to see if they really contain the blueprint of life. The preserved specimens would allow the DNA to still have its original code largely unaffected by time. Quoting: ToSeekThey've tried and failed: [link to www.sciencenews.org] (PDF file) So much for the dinosaurs as having existed, ha,ha,ha, putting you to good use! I don't care about its accuracy, my only interest is to ascertain if there is carbon within the dinosaurs bones. Quoting: ToSeekThereafter there is DNA, ha,ha,ha, lol!!! Carbon is not the key; carbon-14 is. Of course there's going to be carbon - it's one of the most common elements on the planet. Who care about your semantics its all a FAWKIN lie!!! |
nomuse (NLI) User ID: 779945 United States 10/05/2009 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Boy, you are stupid, OP. Punisher again, am I right? The style gives you away. Carbon content has nothing to do with the presence of a usable ratio of carbon isotopes. The isotope of interest here, C14, has a half-life of around 5,000 years. Increasingly precise assays have pushed back the possible dating to as much as 60,000 years, but 70 million years is right out. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Boy, you are stupid, OP. Punisher again, am I right? The style gives you away. Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 779945Carbon content has nothing to do with the presence of a usable ratio of carbon isotopes. The isotope of interest here, C14, has a half-life of around 5,000 years. Increasingly precise assays have pushed back the possible dating to as much as 60,000 years, but 70 million years is right out. Hey look everybody its NO-USE the biggest dummy on GLP!!! Ha,Ha,Ha, what about DNA testing the dinosaurs bones and finding out if they were ever alive, ha,ha,ha, hope sculptures have DNA or your science fiction is over ha,ha,ha, lol!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 784656 United States 10/05/2009 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Boy, you are stupid, OP. Punisher again, am I right? The style gives you away. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774154Carbon content has nothing to do with the presence of a usable ratio of carbon isotopes. The isotope of interest here, C14, has a half-life of around 5,000 years. Increasingly precise assays have pushed back the possible dating to as much as 60,000 years, but 70 million years is right out. Hey look everybody its NO-USE the biggest dummy on GLP!!! Ha,Ha,Ha, what about DNA testing the dinosaurs bones and finding out if they were ever alive, ha,ha,ha, hope sculptures have DNA or your science fiction is over ha,ha,ha, lol!!! One more ha, ha ,ha, and you get smacked |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 787298 Australia 10/05/2009 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. [link to www.sciencedaily.com] READ THIS!!!!!!! Then try to EXPLAIN how SOFT tissue survived MILLIONS OF FUCKING YEARS!!! Morons.(Evolutionists that is) ScienceDaily (Mar. 25, 2005) — Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn’t preserve – the bones were essentially transformed into “rocks” through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out. Bone marrow Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it’s still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present. In a paper published in the March 25 edition of the journal Science, Schweitzer describes the process by which she and her technician, Jennifer Wittmeyer, isolated soft organic tissue from the leg bone of a 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex. Schweitzer was interested in studying the microstructure and organic components of a dinosaur’s bone. All bone is made up of a combination of protein (and other organic molecules) and minerals. In modern bone, removing the minerals leaves supple, soft organic materials that are much easier to work with in a lab. In contrast, fossilized bone is believed to be completely mineralized, meaning no organics are present. Attempting to dissolve the minerals from a piece of fossilized bone, so the theory goes, would merely dissolve the entire fossil. But the team was surprised by what actually happened when they removed the minerals from the T. rex femur fragment. The removal process left behind stretchy bone matrix material that, when examined microscopically, seemed to show blood vessels, osteocytes, or bone building cells, and other recognizable organic features. Since current data indicates that living birds are more closely related to dinosaurs than any other group, Schweitzer compared the findings from the T. rex with structures found in modern-day ostriches. In both samples, transparent branching blood vessels were present, and many of the small microstructures present in the T. rex sample displayed the same appearance as the blood and bone cells from the ostrich sample. Schweitzer then duplicated her findings with at least three other well-preserved dinosaur specimens, one 80-million-year-old hadrosaur and two 65-million-year-old tyrannosaurs. All of these specimens preserved vessels, cell-like structures, or flexible matrix that resembled bone collagen from modern specimens. Current theories about fossil preservation hold that organic molecules should not preserve beyond 100,000 years. Schweitzer hopes that further research will reveal exactly what the soft structures isolated from these bones are made of. Do they consist of the original cells, and if so, do the cells still contain genetic information? Her early studies of the material suggest that at least some fragments of the dinosaurs’ original molecular material may still be present. “We may not really know as much about how fossils are preserved as we think,” says Schweitzer. “Our preliminary research shows that antibodies that recognize collagen react to chemical extracts of this fossil bone. If further studies confirm this, we may have the potential to learn more not only about the dinosaurs themselves, but also about how and why they were preserved in the first place.” The research was funded by NC State, the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences and the National Science Foundation |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 787298 Australia 10/05/2009 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. AND THIS!! Dinosaur Soft Tissues: They're Real! by Brian Thomas, M.S.* Paleontologist Mary Schweitzer’s discoveries of soft blood vessels, proteins, various blood cells, and even DNA inside fossilized dinosaur bones have been met with extreme skepticism from the scientific community. It has been well established that such biological structures and molecules should not last beyond a few tens of thousands of years, and could not possibly survive millions of years. So why are they there? Scientists have made multiple attempts to debunk Schweitzer’s findings. Over the last 15 years, alternate explanations for the soft dinosaur tissue include contamination in the field or in the lab, bacterial activity producing the illusion of blood vessel remains, and the possibility that protein signatures derived from the tissues are actually just statistical artifacts (i.e., distortions or data errors). In an effort to answer these objections, Schweitzer’s team implemented sterile excavation procedures and had an independent third party analyze their results. They confirmed that the soft tissues could not have come from bacteria. Bacteria do not manufacture products in the shape of vertebrate blood vessels, nor can they produce the kind of collagen found in the dinosaur bones. The issue has generated such fervor that John Asara of Harvard Medical School, who found clear collagen signatures in Schweitzer’s dinosaur tissues,1 placed his data online so that anyone could access it. Researchers from Palo Alto reanalyzed the data and published their report online in the Journal of Proteome Research.2 They verified that four of Asara’s original seven collagen sequences were clearly legitimate, using different statistical and bioinformatics techniques. So far, there is every indication that the dinosaur soft tissues—incredible as it seems—are real biological leftovers from their once-living hosts. Three options present themselves for the presence of molecules and blood vessels in creatures that purportedly passed on eons ago. Perhaps the soft tissue is some kind of mistake—it isn’t really organic material. But the number of other possible substances it could be is dwindling. Or perhaps there is an entirely unknown natural process that could have preserved soft tissue for millions of years. But this is a special pleading argument, one with strong laboratory evidence against it. Third, perhaps the soft tissue, and therefore the sedimentary rock that encased it, are thousands—not millions—of years old. Dinosaur soft tissue leaves the evolutionary paradigm, which must have millions of years in order to achieve even remote plausibility, between a rock and a hard place. However, these dinosaur blood cells and vessels fit perfectly into the biblical history of the world, which indicates that man and dinosaurs both were created on the same day in the relatively recent past. References Asara, J. M. et al. 2007. Protein Sequences from Mastodon and Tyrannosaurus Rex Revealed by Mass Spectrometry. Science. 316 (5822): 280-285. Bern, M., B. S. Phinney, and D. Goldberg. 2009. Reanalysis of Tyrannosaurus rex Mass Spectra. Journal of Proteome Research. Published online July 15, 2009, accessed July 30, 2009. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 787298 Australia 10/05/2009 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Here..fucking read it for yourselves you evolutionary FUCKWITS!!! Have fun explaing THIS away. GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!! Or in the case of the fuckwitted brain dead evolutionists...YOUR ENEMY!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. OP, Quoting: G. Housesomeone has given you the answer, but apparently you don't have the capacity to understand it. Very sad. Some people don't deserve to use computers. YOUR SO FAWKIN STUPID IT AIN'T EVEN FUNNY!! YOU BELIEVE BY CLAIMING THAT THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN WILL DETER THOSE READING THIS THREAD THAT AN ANSWER EXITS -- SO THEY CAN RESUME AGAIN SLEEPING BUT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO POINT IT OUT. HA,HA,HA, YOU MAY BE SUCCESSFUL, GLP IS FAST ASLEEP AND NOBODY INCLUDING YOURSELF ARE AWAKE. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787298 DUDE, ITS ALL A FAWKIN LIE!!!! Science can't DNA test the dinosaurs bones because they never existed, sculptures don't have DNA and science fiction is over!!! :5: |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 774154 Canada 10/05/2009 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT DINOSAUR BONES -- COME IN, COME IN, COME SEE SCIENCE SUFFER FOOT 'N' MOUTH SYNDROME. It's called radio-metric dating, learn it, love it, stop peddling nonsense. Fucking arm-chair paleontologists. Quoting: deadlyprawn 784606Avoiding the DNA issue sure makes you all seem really feeble and weak, like your science!!! Ha,Ha,Ha, have science DNA test the dinosaurs bones and find out if they were ever alive, ha,ha,ha, hope sculptures have DNA or science fiction is over!!! |