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HAWAII DOH-LATEST INFO

 
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The latest legal turn out of Hawaii leaves very little wiggle room for the state.
On July 27th 2009 The Hawaii Department of Health in a press release declared that Barack Obama was a Natural Born Citizen.

Researcher Justin Riggs on July 29th was informed by email that Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett reviewed and approved the Statement released by DoH Director Fukino.

Attorney Leo Donofrio has been investigating the irregularities in the State of Hawaii at his blog Natural Born Citizen and has published a copy of the emails between Riggs and the Attorney General's office:

From: Justin Riggs [email address redacted]
Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM
To: …[email protected], [redacted other recipient]

…Ms. Okubo,
I am currently a masters degree candidate at …
The reason that I am contacting your organizations is that you are, as far as I can tell from my research, the only two groups that have openly stated that President Obama is a natural born citizen (one of the Article II, Section I qualifications for being President). I would like to document how you came to that conclusion: i.e. what the criteria is for your organization, what evidence the candidate provides, etc.
I thank you for your time, and look forward to receiving a response in the near future.
Sincerely,
Justin W. Riggs

Janice Okubo responded later that day:

From: Okubo, Janice S.. <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM
To: Justin Riggs [email address redacted]…
Aloha Justin,
The statement was reviewed and approved by our Attorney General Mark Bennett. I am unable to provide further comment.
Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health…

According to law, the State of Hawaii must now disclose how it came to the decision that is found in Director Fukino’s July 27th Press Release that was approved by the State’s Attorney General. Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-4 states very clearly that formal opinions of the Attorney General must be made public. Further, the Hawaiian Office of Information Practices in 1991 formally set out the requirements that informal opinions of the AG must also be made available for public inspection. According to Donofrio, under the Uniform Rules of Evidence (Rule 510): “when the conclusions of an informal Attorney General opinion are made public by the agency/client, then the accompanying record of that opinion must also be disclosed to the public:”

The State of Hawaii declared that Obama was a Natural Born Citizen and that this disclosure was approved by the Attorney General of the State. The State of Hawaii must now release any and all communications and documentation that led it to making this determination. Because Janice Okubo on July 29th revealed that the decision was approved by the State’s Attorney General, and the state made its Natural Born Citizen statement, the state is now required by law to disclose how it reached that conclusion. As Donofrio explains, there can be no secret law. The State of Hawaii cannot simply make a statement with legal weight, and then when asked to provide how it reached that decision, simply say: ‘You just have to trust us on that’. They must release any and all information that led them to make their public declarations.
On October 5th, Donofrio wrote to the office of the Attorney General, contacting Jill Nagamine:

Subject: Request for AG Opinion letter
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009 8:34 PM
From:”Leo Donofrio” [email redacted]
To: [email protected]

Dear Ms. Nagamine,
The following request for Government records is made pursuant to the UIPA.
I request a copy (or access to a copy) of the Attorney General Opinion Letter the Attorney General provided to Department of Health Director Fukino which reviewed and approved her July 27, 2009 statement/press release about President Barack Obama wherein it was stated that he is a “natural-born American citizen.”

I request the opinion letter referenced above whether it was prepared as a formal Opinion Letter under Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-3 (and/or any other authority) or as an informal letter if prepared under Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-4 (and/or any other authority).

Please have your response conform to the OIP administrative rules.

A few hours later he received the following response:

Subject: Re Request for Ag Opinion letter
From: “[email protected]
To: “Leo Donofrio” [email redacted]

Dear Mr. Donofrio:
No formal (emphasis added) attorney general opinion was generated relating to the July 27, 2009 public statement made by Chiyome L. Fukino, M.D. Any other legal advice rendered to our clients is privileged communication. We have nothing to release based on your request.

Very truly yours,
Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

With all due respect to Ms Nagamine, this response is disingenuous in the extreme. First, Mr. Donofrio asked for all formal and informal communications. Under the law, the state has to release this information once any part of the resulting decisions are publically released, which happened on July 27th with Director Fukino’s Press Release, and again on July 29th When Janice Okubo informed Mr. Riggs that the Attorney General approved the statement. Second, Ms Nagamine’s response states that the informal communications are attorney client privilege, where none exists.
According to OIP Opinion letter 91-23, the conclusions of an informal Attorney General opinion made public by the agency or client (The Department of Health) the accompanying record of that opinion must be made public.

A client cannot voluntarily and selectively disclose those portions of a communication between the client and the client’s attorney without forfeiting the right to keep other portions of the communication on the same subject matter privileged.

The privilege may be said to be waived when the client relinquishes its protection. The waiver of this privilege follows as a consequence from any conduct by the client that would make it unfair for the client thereafter to assert the privilege. See generally, Marcus, The Perils of Privilege: Waiver and the Litigator, 84 Mich. L. Rev. 1065 (1986)

Similarly, under Rule 510 of the Uniform Rules of Evidence, the holder of a privilege waives it if the privilege holder consents to the disclosure of “any significant part of the privileged matter.”

The response of Ms Nagamine is very clearly not addressing the informal communications between Director Fukino and the Attorney General. By law, the public has the right to see any communications between these two parties once the client, in this case the Department of Health, publically releases the conclusions reached through those communications.

Donofrio is currently filing an appeal with the OIP, and the Judiciary as well. Because of the nature of the law involved, Donofrio will get that judicial review in an expedited manner.

The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it used to declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very interesting, considering Obama’s Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack Obama Jr is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his parentage.
Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where Barack Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could have been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. itself, and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama’s parentage remains the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.

There is absolutely no doubt.

There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. He and those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every treaty signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.
This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with. The United States does not have a constitutional government.

This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through as fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the Senate even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done. Rightly so.

This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This time, it won’t be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the DNC Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for the cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.

This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep people focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would rather people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship that was conferred upon him by his British father.

The smoke and mirrors have cleared. This is no longer a partisan issue, partisan issues are reserved for constitutional governments, which we do not have. There is only those who understand the peril we are in, and those who do not, and we are all Americans.

Now, what are we going to do about it?

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Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen.
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there is no legally binding definition of natural born citizen in this country, this is where donofrio is wrong.
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here's the link for all who want it and please post everywhere:

[link to www.examiner.com]
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If this ever goes to the supreme court to decide wether Obarky is 'natural born' - I presume that, the 'wise latina' women will not be allowed to participate - seeing the inherrant clash of interests!
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here is a little lesson in history:


1787- 25, July just five weeks later. This letter was written on July 25, 1787. It is in direct response to, Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential requiremen above. Our first Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Jay in his letter to George Washington said the following:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a Natural Born Citizen." Off site to source record.

1787- 17, September To be eligible for President; The United States Constitution, Article. II. section I. clause V. says:
"No Person except a Natural Born Citizen or a Citizen of the United States, AT THE TIME of the Adoption of this Constitution,

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"AT THE TIME of the Adoption of this Constitution" is the grandfather clause that allowed all the original founding fathers a chance at becoming POTUS as they otherwise couldn't because either they or their parents would have been citizens of the country in Europe from where they originally came.

Thus, THEY HAD to be "grandfathered" in since they weren't likely to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the US.

John Jay felt it necessary to have a NBC as POTUS for reasons of NATIONAL SECURITY as you can tell from his letter above.

Does anyone think he was right about this......220 yrs later?
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John Jay felt it necessary to have a NBC as POTUS for reasons of NATIONAL SECURITY as you can tell from his letter above.
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BUT they never wrote a definition of natural born citizen into the constitution. there is no legal definition, only a grey area.
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John Jay felt it necessary to have a NBC as POTUS for reasons of NATIONAL SECURITY as you can tell from his letter above.


BUT they never wrote a definition of natural born citizen into the constitution. there is no legal definition, only a grey area.
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a grey area soon to be defined by the Supreme Court
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Barry go bye bye!











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Good find OP too bad the title wasn't better.
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I'll meditate on it and maybe a mod will hear me telepathically???????



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Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen.


there is no legally binding definition of natural born citizen in this country, this is where donofrio is wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763781

Oh, come on. Just Google the term and you can find how it is defined by Constitutional experts. What you mean is that the Supreme Court has never given THEIR definition. But so what?
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OP re post this with a different title. Like Hawaii will be forced to release info about obama B.C. and you'll get pinned.
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Funniest damn thing I have ever seen in my life is the sheeple (American Public) voting into the White House a HOOD RAT! Why in the hell do you people need any more proof of the fuckers ineligibility. If you want to blame someone, blame all the dipshits that voted him in, that's right I said it. All the dumb asses with BO stickers on their vehicle and the likes, guilty as charged.
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Are all bastards born of American mothers who happened to have sex with foreign men "natural born citizens?

Can someone be a natural-born American citizen if his father was British?

Of course not! That was the whole point of the Founding Fathers writing the requirement of a natural born citizen into the Constitution - they did not want America to have a president whose loyalities by birth might be to a foreign country.

Does one need the Supreme Court to decide this? Of course not. It is plain what the Founding Fathers wanted even if they did not spell it out. It is indulging in silly legalisms to contend that we don't know what an American-born citizen is. We know what the Founding Fathers meant or intended to mean. That should be good enough for us.





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