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DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.

 
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DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.

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An international team of astronomers have found an unexpected link between mysterious 'dark matter' and the visible stars and gas in galaxies that could revolutionise our current understanding of gravity.


One of the astronomers, Dr Hongsheng Zhao of the SUPA Centre of Gravity, University of St. Andrews, suggests that an unknown force is acting on dark matter. The findings are published this week in the scientific journal Nature.

Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.

Now the team believes that the interactions between dark and ordinary matter could be more important and more complex than previously thought, and even speculate that dark matter might not exist and that the anomalous motions of stars in galaxies are due to a modification of gravity on extragalactic scales.

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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
bump for science
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
"It is possible that a non-gravitational fifth force is ruling the dark matter with an invisible hand, leaving the same fingerprints on all galaxies, irrespective of their ages, shapes and sizes"

Its probable the invisible hand, which Adam Smith was talking about.It has its hands everywhere!
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Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.




Kinda like the junk DNA thing.

within/without
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micro/macro
Born into this World
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Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.




Kinda like the junk DNA thing.


within/without
above/below
micro/macro
 Quoting: Full Circle


Yeah because biology is really comparable with cosmology!

*sigh*
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
Yet another "epicycle" added on to an already dead theory.

Give it up, ASStrophysicists, and just admit that ELECTRICITY shapes the Cosmos, NOT GRAVITY!

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Yet another "epicycle" added on to an already dead theory.

Give it up, ASStrophysicists, and just admit that ELECTRICITY shapes the Cosmos, NOT GRAVITY!

scream
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spock
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.




Kinda like the junk DNA thing.


within/without
above/below
micro/macro


Yeah because biology is really comparable with cosmology!

*sigh*
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In an electric universe it is.
Born into this World
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And Shift along the Axis
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
This could be a significant breakthrough. I don't see how the preposterous "dark matter" kludge, or the entrenched model it defends can be saved.
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bsflag

Dark Matter is a mathematical fantasy and not based on reality.. it is the result of a faulty cosmological foundation, and stems for the assumption that space is empty, that gravity is the prime shaping force of the cosmos, and that electricity has no role to play in space..

Imbalanced equations are rectified using imaginative concepts. eg Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Black Holes and so forth

Google Plasma Cosmology

The cosmological paradigm is not impervious to the elites lying and misdirection..

We took a wrong turning when they buried Teslas ideas and took up Einsteins plagarized BS
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Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.




Kinda like the junk DNA thing.

within/without
above/below
micro/macro
 Quoting: Full Circle


exactly...
Fractal Reality
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Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.




Kinda like the junk DNA thing.

within/without
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micro/macro


exactly...
Fractal Reality
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Yep.

Thread: God, Fractals, and the Great Cycle
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Yet another "epicycle" added on to an already dead theory.

Give it up, ASStrophysicists, and just admit that ELECTRICITY shapes the Cosmos, NOT GRAVITY!

scream
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I like this theory too. comet's tails are electric and such, right?
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One of the astronomers, Dr Hongsheng Zhao of the SUPA Centre of Gravity, University of St. Andrews, suggests that an unknown force is acting on dark matter. The findings are published this week in the scientific journal Nature.


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And that "unknown force" permeates the entire field of emptiness that you see and fuels the very stars in the sky.

The "unknown force" they are describing is the real GOD. hf
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Yet another "epicycle" added on to an already dead theory.

Give it up, ASStrophysicists, and just admit that ELECTRICITY shapes the Cosmos, NOT GRAVITY!

scream
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Yep. Gravity is just the biproduct, like heat is a biproduct.
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
Gravity is a pressure, a pushing force, not a pulling force.

It is related to the aether..

Matter can not bend space. Space-time is complete bullshit..

As Tesla said;

"Einsteins relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists."

"Every action is accomanied by an equivalent reaction and the effects of the latter are directly opposite to those of the former. Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curvature of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies and producing the opposite effects, straighten out the curves. Since action and reaction are co-existant it follows that the curvature of space is entirely impossible- however even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature."
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gravity/magnetism is feminine energy

where electricity/solar energy is male
We have finally come back to the pre-Socratic philosopher Heraclitus, who said everything is flow, flux, process. There are no "things." Bruce Lee
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The fith force is monetary debt.

You take an entire galaxy of borrowers and bang, there you have it a force 22 times more powerfull than gravity! banana2
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Zetas right again!
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And that "unknown force" permeates the entire field of emptiness that you see and fuels the very stars in the sky.

The "unknown force" they are describing is the real GOD. hf
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yup.. this..
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DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

An international team of astronomers have found an unexpected link between mysterious 'dark matter' and the visible stars and gas in galaxies that could revolutionise our current understanding of gravity.

One of the astronomers, Dr Hongsheng Zhao of the SUPA Centre of Gravity, University of St. Andrews, suggests that an unknown force is acting on dark matter. The findings are published this week in the scientific journal Nature.

Only 4% of the universe is made of known material. Stars and gas in galaxies move so fast that astronomers have speculated that the gravity from a hypothetical invisible halo of dark matter is needed to keep galaxies together. However, a solid understanding of dark matter as well as direct evidence of its existence has remained elusive.

Now the team believes that the interactions between dark and ordinary matter could be more important and more complex than previously thought, and even speculate that dark matter might not exist and that the anomalous motions of stars in galaxies are due to a modification of gravity on extragalactic scales.

Dr. Benoit Famaey (Universities of Bonn and Strasbourg) explains: "The dark matter seems to 'know' how the visible matter is distributed. They seem to conspire with each other such that the gravity of the visible matter at the characteristic radius of the dark halo is always the same. This is extremely surprising since one would rather expect the balance between visible and dark matter to strongly depend on the individual history of each galaxy."

Dr. Zhao at the SUPA Centre of Gravity notes, "The pattern that the data reveal is extremely odd. It's like finding a zoo of animals of all ages and sizes miraculously having identical, say, weight in their backbones or something. It is possible that a non-gravitational fifth force is ruling the dark matter with an invisible hand, leaving the same fingerprints on all galaxies, irrespective of their ages, shapes and sizes."

Such a force might solve an even bigger mystery, known as 'dark energy', which is ruling the accelerated expansion of the Universe. A more radical solution is a revision of the laws of gravity first developed by Isaac Newton in 1687 and refined by Albert Einstein's theory of General Relativity in 1916. Einstein never fully decided whether his equation should add an omnipresent constant source, now called dark energy.

Dr Famaey added, "If we account for our observations with a modified law of gravity, it makes perfect sense to replace the effective action of hypothetical dark matter with a force closely related to the distribution of visible matter."

The implications of the new research could change some of the most widely held scientific theories about the history and expansion of the universe.

Lead researcher Dr. Gianfranco Gentile at the University of Ghent concludes, "Understanding this puzzling conspiracy is probably the key to unlock the formation of galaxies and their structures."
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it is amazing news markus , i tried posting this a month a go , but was still banned from the mass cull at the time , lol st andrews uni is just across the bridge from me , heres link from there website
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Gravity is a pressure, a pushing force, not a pulling force.

It is related to the aether..

Matter can not bend space. Space-time is complete bullshit..

As Tesla said;

"Einsteins relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists."

"Every action is accomanied by an equivalent reaction and the effects of the latter are directly opposite to those of the former. Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curvature of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies and producing the opposite effects, straighten out the curves. Since action and reaction are co-existant it follows that the curvature of space is entirely impossible- however even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature."
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Tesla was THE MAN!

Einstein was fraudulent, "Thought-experimentalist".
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Its just vacuum force, fucking dumb twits. The space where there is nothing has much more pull than the place where theres something.
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
Electromagnetic forces between particles of visible matter cannot account for the effects requiring the postulation of dark matter for the simple reason that the atoms in the cold depths of space surrounding a galaxy are electrically neutral.

No, what we are seeing here is the electromagnetic field of shadow matter predicted by the E8xE8 heterotic superstring theory. This kind of matter exists in a space-time sheet separated in the 11th dimension from the space-time sheet of ordinary matter by a narrow gap:
ordinary matter: E8-->E6-->U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3)
where U(1)is the symmetry group of electromagnetism
shadow matter: E8-->E7-->U(1)'xSU(7),
where U(1)' is the gauge symmetry group for the electromagnetic force between shadow matter particles.
The long-range electromagnetic force between shadow particles is what stabilises the galaxies indirectly because it governs the distribution of shadow matter and therefore ordinary matter by the gravitational forces acting between the two kinds of matter. This is the only force that acts between them, according to the theory of heterotic superstrings.
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it is amazing news markus , i tried posting this a month a go , but was still banned from the mass cull at the time , lol st andrews uni is just across the bridge from me , heres link from there website
[link to www.st-andrews.ac.uk]
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Re: DISCOVERY! Link found between 'dark matter' & visible stars/galaxies -could revolutionize our current understanding of gravity.
Electromagnetic forces between particles of visible matter cannot account for the effects requiring the postulation of dark matter for the simple reason that the atoms in the cold depths of space surrounding a galaxy are electrically neutral.

No, what we are seeing here is the electromagnetic field of shadow matter predicted by the E8xE8 heterotic superstring theory. This kind of matter exists in a space-time sheet separated in the 11th dimension from the space-time sheet of ordinary matter by a narrow gap:
ordinary matter: E8-->E6-->U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3)
where U(1)is the symmetry group of electromagnetism
shadow matter: E8-->E7-->U(1)'xSU(7),
where U(1)' is the gauge symmetry group for the electromagnetic force between shadow matter particles.
The long-range electromagnetic force between shadow particles is what stabilises the galaxies indirectly because it governs the distribution of shadow matter and therefore ordinary matter by the gravitational forces acting between the two kinds of matter. This is the only force that acts between them, according to the theory of heterotic superstrings.
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"String Theory" is yet another steaming pile of shit, backed only by "pure mathematics".

What a dire state of affairs cosmology is in!

We'll have to wait for generations before all the theoretical mathematicians are totally discredited and run out of town on a rail!
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"String Theory" is yet another steaming pile of shit, backed only by "pure mathematics".

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:-/

1. Use of vitriol detracts from your OWN message...
2. Einstein relied on "pure mathematics" to arrive at his predictions...That's the cool part about math: It is a tool for accurate prediction...
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"It is possible that a non-gravitational fifth force is ruling the dark matter with an invisible hand, leaving the same fingerprints on all galaxies, irrespective of their ages, shapes and sizes"

Its probable the invisible hand, which Adam Smith was talking about.It has its hands everywhere!
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Nice catch OP!

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fifth force
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!
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This is getting old. So now, "Dark Matter", the quick math fixer-upper, needs a hand from an unknown source to even work?

I call this failed science. Dark Matter is B.S.





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