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balloon boy hoax and now this?!
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Hard to tell at night, in the daylight would expect to see debris around the crater if its real.


To me it looks fake ... just a man-made fire in a digged hole ... there is only one news article I found:
[link to www.itar-tass.com]
But this doesnt mean much, the balloon kid was also in the news and it was a hoax. We have to wait for more info.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803039

LOL "digged" I think you mean DUG loser >.<

Also...How is this fake when the fire from the meteor/object is SO hot that it creates condensation on the camera lens??
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Its nice to know that "farking-shit" is an international swear word.
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A manmade hole like that is difficult to make. Also, I don't see a easy way in or out. Again hard to tell at night. Ive been to a plane wreck site that look like that. Big hole with burning stuff in the bottom. Could have been a hole dug, bomb planted, then detonated also.
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a weapon test?

[link to www.universetoday.com]
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Ok, new article (Latvian):

[link to www.apollo.lv]

Team of experts, including some from Tartu University of Estonia, have concluded that it is a hoax.
They have found traces of digging by shovels, the crater is too deep, etc.
The Wrath is going to be Endless
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Its nice to know that "farking-shit" is an international swear word.
 Quoting: Tracy


Heh, amidst ton of swearing in Latvian all the way to the 'crater', he really says 'fucking shit' (as is, in English).

Last Edited by Abyss Lady on 10/26/2009 09:52 AM
The Wrath is going to be Endless
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Very interesting...


This is the very area that a Meteor Falling to the ground started the Norse Myths.....
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Always be careful when things like this are deemed a 'hoax' by officials early on; whilst it could be a hoax, its also a bloody good way of ensuring there are no pesky crowds to control and scenes to secure! Afterall, who wants to go see a 'hoax' meteorite!

Declare it a 'hoax' and everyone stops paying attention.
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didn´t they just recently classify the near earth asteroid surveillance data?
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Ok, new article (Latvian):

[link to www.apollo.lv]

Team of experts, including some from Tartu University of Estonia, have concluded that it is a hoax.
They have found traces of digging by shovels, the crater is too deep, etc.
 Quoting: The Oak Lady


Meteorites large enough to hit the ground would burn brightly on their way down, visible from far afield. There seem to be no such reports so this is either a hoax or whatever that fell there didn't come from space.
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Always be careful when things like this are deemed a 'hoax' by officials early on; whilst it could be a hoax, its also a bloody good way of ensuring there are no pesky crowds to control and scenes to secure! Afterall, who wants to go see a 'hoax' meteorite!

Declare it a 'hoax' and everyone stops paying attention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798582


Yup. The fallen object can be something that must be classified ASAP.
The scenario that a bunch of half-retarded country-boys decide to dig that large hole manually, burn something in it, spread it viral in lightning speed just for the lulz, is very unlikely.
The Wrath is going to be Endless
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a weapon test?

[link to www.universetoday.com]

didn´t they just recently classify the near earth asteroid surveillance data?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609027

a space based rail weapon?
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watch for pod people to start appearing
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tantrum

Media always downplay what is coming out off the sky
so you do not get into too much fear & panic.

That tsunami in 2004 was caused by asteroid
& thousands of people in Indonesia watched a streaking fireball plunging in the waters.

Look at these false headline:

INDIAN OCEAN TSUNAMI - Great Earthquake and Tsunami of 26 December ..

Another media HOAX like 'earthquake' in Bam
was actually caused by an asteroid.

Again media disinformation!

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran earthquake kills thousands
26 Dec 2003 ... The quake in Bam - a city and surrounding area of more than 200000 people ... In pictures: Iran earthquake 26 Dec 03 | Photo Gallery ...


This also was caused by an asteroid, again on Nostradamus birthday.

Nostradamus tells about these asteroids
& yes Dec. 26 was Nostradamus birthday
& yes on Dec. 14 Saddam was found in his pit hole.

In lunar calendar this Dec. 14 2003 = Dec. 26 in solar calendar.

This is Nostradamus 500th (lunar) birthday.

moshpit
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looks like the shanksville,pa "plane" crash site.
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The Aliens arrived 3 years too early.
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Luckily not a Tunguska blast hiding
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That meteorite looks to be about the size of a large suitcase. Scientists theorize that one about the size of a volkswagen bug made the one in Arizona which is considerably larger than the size of a football stadium. I don't think the dimensions stand up to scrutiny. I'll go the fake route on this one too.
bed
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It's a seed.
Don't dismiss your own experience to allow other people’s perceptions.
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looks like the opening scene from "The Blob"
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[link to www.7is7.com]


Kaali Meteorite Crater


The Kaali meteorite crater is the result of a meteorite impact possibly in the 8th century BC. It is about 100 meters wide and 20 meters deep. The crater walls are covered with trees and vegetation. A path around the rim of the crater allows you to observe it from all sides.
The walls of the crater have been used as a fortress in the middle ages.


The crater is also part of many Estonian myths and stories. More recently a famous children story writer in Estonia, Henno Käo, wrote a story involving a comet and this crater. I bought the book, in Estonian nonetheless, in the hope that it would help me to learn the language.
The water level of the lake changes with the seasons, as you can see from the photos below.
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It's a seed.
 Quoting: bed


Maybe it's a pod.
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In mythology


Finnish mythology has stories that may describe happenings of Kaali, one of them in runes 47, 48 and 49 of the Kalevala epic. Louhi, the evil wizard steals the Sun and fire from people, causing total darkness. Ukko, the god of sky orders a new Sun to be made from a sparkle. The virgin of the air starts to make a new Sun, but the sparkle drops from the sky and hits the ground.

This spark goes to an "Aluen" or "Kalevan"[3] lake and causes its water to rise. Finnish heroes see the ball of fire falling somewhere "behind the Neva river" (the direction of Estonia from Karelia). The heroes head that direction to seek fire, and they finally gather flames from a forest fire.

According to a theory first proposed by Lennart Meri, it is possible that Saaremaa was the legendary Thule island, first mentioned by ancient Greek geographer Pytheas, whereas the name "Thule" could have been connected to the Finnic word tule ("(of) fire") and the folklore of Estonia, which depicts the birth of the crater lake in Kaali. Kaali was considered the place where "The sun went to rest."[3]
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It's a seed.
 Quoting: bed

or godzilla's semen?
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even if this one was a hoax, a meteor exploded oct 8 over indonesia with the force of 50 kilotons


Asteroid Impactor Reported over Indonesia
Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
October 23, 2009
On October 8, 2009 about 03:00 Greenwich time, an atmospheric fireball blast was observed and recorded over an island region of Indonesia. The blast is thought to be due to the atmospheric entry of a small asteroid about 10 meters in diameter that, due to atmospheric pressure, detonated in the atmosphere with an energy of about 50 kilotons (the equivalent of 100,000 pounds of TNT explosives).

The blast was recorded visually and reported upon by local media representatives. See the YouTube video at:

[link to www.youtube.com]

A report from Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown at the University of Western Ontario indicates that several international very-long wavelength infrasound detectors recorded the blast and fixed the position near the coastal city of Bone in South Sulawesi, island of Sulewesi. They note that the blast was in the 10 to 50 kT range with the higher end of this range being more likely.

Assuming an estimated size of about 5-10 meters in diameter, we would expect a fireball event of this magnitude about once every 2 to 12 years on average. As a rule, the most common types of stony asteroids would not be expected to cause ground damage unless their diameters were about 25 meters in diameter or larger.

A more extensive report by Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown of the University of Western Ontario is here.



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Summary of Preliminary Infrasonic Analysis of the Oct 8, 2009 Indonesian Superbolide
Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown
Meteor Infrasound group
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy,
Univ. of Western Ontario
London, ON
N6A 3K7
CANADA

Released: October 19, 2009

On Oct 8, 2009, media reports appeared in the local press in Indonesia concerning a loud air blast occurring near 11am local time (0300 UT). Subsequent to these first media reports, additional English language reports appeared suggesting the event was meteoritic.

[link to thejakartaglobe.com]

[link to www.thejakartapost.com]

Indonesian language reports more clearly identify a bright fireball, accompanied by an explosion and lingering dust cloud as the origin of the air blast. Finally, a YouTube video posted on the same day appears to show a large dust cloud consistent with a bright, daylight fireball.

[link to www.surya.co.id]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Based on these initial reports, a detailed examination was made of all International Monitoring System (IMS) infrasound stations of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO). From this initial examination, a total of 11 stations showed probable signals from a large explosion centered near 4.5S, 120E, with an origin time near 0300 UT on Oct 8, 2009, consistent with the media reports. This signal was notable for having been (a) detected at many IMS stations, including five at ranges over 10,000 km (and one at a nearly 18,000 km range) and (b) being confined to very low frequencies. Both of these observations suggest the explosion source was of very high total energy. All signal motions were between 0.27 - 0.32 km/s, consistent with stratospheric signal returns.

We have used the Air Force Technical Application Centre (AFTAC) period-yield relation as described by ReVelle (1997) as the most robust basic indicator of source energy. To generate measured periods, the average periods of all phase-aligned stacked waveforms at each station were measured, according to the technique described in Edwards et al (2006). These periods were then averaged to produce a single, global average period of 13.4 sec and the AFTAC yield relation applied; this produced an average source yield of 31 kT of TNT. Averaging the individual yields from all stations produces a mean source energy near 50 kT of TNT while using only the eight stations having the highest signal-to-noise-ratio (SNR) and using the local observed periods of the waveform at maximum amplitude produces a yield estimate of 40 kT of TNT, all of which are basically consistent. It is important to note, however, that the standard deviation of this measurement is nearly 30 kT. That is, the best source energy estimate would be 40 +/- 30 kT TNT. Note that much of this variation may be due to the signal emanating from different portions of the fireball trail as observed at different stations; each period measurement is a "sample" of the size of the cylindrical blast cavity at that particular segment of the trail detected by any one station. As such, the out of atmosphere yield for this event is likely higher than these measurements suggest - very probably in the ~50 kT range.

The yield estimates based on infrasonic amplitude are very uncertain in this instance as the propagation distances are much larger than is typical and outside the range limits where such relations have been developed (e.g. Edwards et al, 2006) and hence the period relationship (which was generated using a dataset of nuclear explosions having yields in this range) is more applicable.

Some examples of the detected and processed waveforms are shown in the appendix.

Based on these infrasound records, it appears that a large (40-50 kT TNT) bolide detonation occurred near 0300 UT on Oct 8, 2009 near the coastal city of Bone in South Sulawesi, Indonesia. The infrasonic geolocation is not precise enough to determine if the bolide was over water or land, but it was relatively near the coast.

Follow-on observations from other instruments or ground recovery efforts would be very valuable in further refining this unique event.

Using an average impact velocity for NEAs of 20.3 km/s, the energy limits (10 - 70 kT) suggested by this analysis correspond to an object 5-10 m in diameter. Based on the flux rate from Brown et al (2002), such objects are expected to impact the Earth on average every 2 - 12 years

References

Brown P., Spalding R.E., ReVelle D.O., Tagliaferri E. and Worden S.P. 2002. The flux of small near-Earth objects colliding with the Earth, Nature, 420, 314-316.

Edwards W.N., Brown P.G., ReVelle D.O., 2006. Estimates of Meteoroid Kinetic Energies from Observations of Infrasonic Airwaves, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 68: 1136-1160.

ReVelle D.O. 1997. Historical Detection of Atmospheric Impacts by Large Bolides using Acoustic-Gravity Waves, Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, Near-Earth Objects - The United Nations International Conference, editor J.L. Remo, New York Academy of Sciences, 822, 284-302.

[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]
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"From the Heavens to the Earth came"....


Much later TPTB created a story and Movie called "The War Of The Worlds" in order to twist the Legends.....
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thats a big fuckin hole
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besides the indonesian superbolide of oct 8, a 'tremendous' fireball exploded over holland one week later, oct 16



Tremendous fireball over the Netherlands
..A couple of days ago, the Netherlands and Germany were treated to a spectacular fireball, a very bright meteor burning up over their skies. Photographer Robert Mikaelyan was at the right place at the right time and got tremendous photos of the bolide:



Wow! Click through to see the series; you can see the meteoroid breaking up as it slams through our air. Robert took beautiful shots, especially given that he couldnít have had more than a few seconds to get them; things like this appear very suddenly and are gone in less than a minute at best. The event took place around 19:00 local time and was probably witnessed by thousands of people. Iím totally jealous.

Also in the meteor news category, apparently scientists have verified that a piece of metal that fell through a UK manís roof in July is in fact space debris of some kind ó meaning from a man-made object, not a natural meteorite. The Daily Mail (I know, barf) has the story and a picture of the object. Interestingly, the man claims the object was too hot to touch when it hit his house. In general, meteorites from deep space are not hot, but this is a bit different; it would have fallen from a decaying orbit, meaning a slower speed and a shallower angle as it came in at the top of the atmosphere. Iím not exactly sure why that would mean it would stay hot, but Iíll note it wasnít hot enough to start a fire. Iíll have to look into this further.

Tip oí the Whipple Shield to IVAN3MAN. Image from Robert Mikaelyan used with permission.

October 16th, 2009 10:00 AM by Phil Plait in Astronomy, Cool stuff, Pretty pictures | 31 comments | RSS feed | Trackback >
[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]
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Re: Meteorite impacts Latvia, large crater
Some Latvian news sites:

[link to www.delfi.lv]

[link to www.tvnet.lv]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 672014


It's a big crater. But could be space junk.





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