the secret Gorbaciov-Bush meeting in Malta,4th of December 1989

I thought you were institutionalized... out so soon?

Dangit Lucian, why have you not cleaned up this mess yet??? What is the galactic federation waiting on!?


by the way, how is your girlfriend?

** OMG **, this really smells like BS - a lot -

Why Malta is significant, and what the Knights of Malta are protecting / hiding:

[link to www.desertfoxoverland.co.uk]
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

The Soviets wanted their capital to be Jerusalem???

Give me a break!

[link to www.scribd.com]

The actual transcript

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

Conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and US President George Bush in their first one-to-one meeting in Malta

December 2 1989: excerpts

Gorbachev: First, I would like to say that the direction of changes in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union moves us closer and that it is the main thing. However, there is also something else which is important. I can’t accept when some American politicians say that the moves to prevent a split in Europe should be based on Western values. It looks as though if in the past we were accused in ‘exporting the revolution’, today it is about the export of American values. I think this does not comply with the spirit of current changes and could complicate ongoing processes. I wanted to tell you this although I know that your position is different.

In this connection, [I would like to move on to] the ‘German question’. Our impression is that Mr Kohl is hurrying, fussing, acting irresponsibly, not approaching things seriously. Wouldn’t it just be possible that the theme of re-unification be exploited for electioneering, that momentum would become more important than strategic factors. Talking of which, there is a difference in opinion on this question in the FRG, both within the governing coalition and Social Democrats. However, we must make it clear to everyone that certain actions can harm positive processes and, moreover, put under question very important and serious issues, including trust to the FRG government.

So what will be? Will united Germany be a neutral country, not belonging to any [international] military or political groups, or will it be a member of Nato? I think we should make it clear that both options are too early to discuss now. Let the process take its course, let’s not push it.

It is not us who are responsible for the division of Germany, this was up to history. Let history decide this issue in the future too. I think we understand each other on this.

Bush:

I think that Helmut Kohl is largely driven by emotions in reaction to the developments. The same could be said about [Hans-Dietrich] Genscher. Yes, in the three point programme one can sense some influence of electioneering. However this wave of emotion must be considered.

Kohl knows that some Western allies, whilst publicly supporting re-unification given that is the will of the German people, are actually concerned about it.

Gorbachev

Yes, I know this. And this point of view has been relayed to him. However, unlike you or your allies I tell you straight: two German states appeared in the course of history. Let the history decide this process and its results in the context of the new Europe and new world. Kohl said many times that he understands his responsibility and that he will comply with the understanding we both reached in Bonn. This is a case when we have to act with utmost care so as to avoid any blow to those changes which have recently started.

Bush:

I agree. We will not do anything rash in order to speed up the question of re-unification.

If you speak to Kohl, you will see that he agrees with my approach and if some of his public statements do not always confirm this, that is due to the peculiarities of his political system, as well as the emotional side. Particularly the latter. They speak about this topic with tears in their eyes.

Gorbachev:

I would like to stress that the changes leading to normalisation of contacts, higher co-operation and better trade links between two German states are seen by us as positive.

Bush:

As strange as it would seem but on this question you are in the same boat with our Nato allies. The most conservative of them welcome your approach. At the same time, they have to think about that time when such concepts as the FRG and the GDR will become part of the past. In this question, I will be acting with great care. Let our Democrats accuse me in being timid but I am not going to jump on the wall because there is too much at stake here.

Gorbachev:

Yes, a president should not be jumping on the wall. (Laugh)

I would like to clarify one point. You expressed your concern regarding Western values. This would have been understandable if our commitment to certain ideals led to difficulties in the USSR or Eastern Europe, stood in the way of their progress. However, we have never pursued such objectives. Every discussion of Western values at Nato or other Western organisations is absolutely natural and not destructive. After all, what are Western values? They are transparency, pluralism, openness, free debate. In economic terms, it is the engine room of progress, free market. These values are not something new or opportunistic, they have been shared for a long time by us and people in Western Europe, they unite the Western world. We welcome changes in the Soviet Union or Poland and do not set them against Western values. Therefore I would like to see your point of view as well as possible so as to avoid any misunderstanding.

Gorbachev:

The main principle which we have adopted and which we follow as part of our new thinking is the right of each country to choose, including the right to reconsider and change its original course. This is a very painful process, however this is a fundamental right. The right to choose without interference from outside. The USA are committed to a particular social and economic system chosen by the American people. Let people of other countries also decide which, let’s say, god they want to pray to.

It is important for me that the new tendency for a renewal in Eastern and Western Europe moves towards closer convergence. The result will not be a copy of Swedish, British or Soviet model. No. What will come out will be something that answers the requirements of the current stage in the development of human and European civilisation.

We know that people do not now fear when faced with a choice of either one of the systems. They are looking for their own version which will provide them with better life. When this search is free we can only say: good for you.

Bush:

I don’t think that we differ here. We welcome self-determination [of states] and debates that accompany it. I would like to see our approach in positive light: Western values do not mean forcing our system on to Romania, Czechoslovakia or even the GDR

that's the gentle part of the transcript
thanks for the info,though

Sounds Plausible

I posted this on 29th to prevent 535's plans outlined in his thread named 535
just search 535

The core of Europe does not lie on the Roman law,nor the Greek philosophy,nor the Christian religion,nor in the riches of the west or the military prowess of the east
It is not contained in our UFOs nor in our jump engines or gravitic turbines

The Heart of Europe is Atlantis
and Atlantis is Europe
that is the Truth

The last city of Atlantis lies under the Sphinx,in the Bucegi mountains
The last vestige of the real Atlantis lies in the Black Sea,under the name Island of Snakes
where the virgin Europa was chasen by Zeus
where the women Europa closed the gates of the real Atlantis and died there mthe last vestige of a long gone era

But I still believe that even after 23 millenia,the Spirit of Atlantis flies above Europe
That is why I cannot separate myself from Artemis and from Atlanteans

our current leadership:

Praetor of the Roman Republic:Lucian Ilea(demised)
Consul of the Roman Republic:Traian Basescu,President of Romania
Proconsul of the Roman Republic:Emil Boc,Prime Minister(demised) of Romania
People's Tribune:Mircea Geoana,Senate President,SPQR
People's Tribune:Roberta Anastase,Deputies Chamber President,SPQR
General Commander of the Space Legion I:Gen. Degeratu

Romania is the popular name of the province of the Roman Empire,without its capital,the Eternal City of Rome

If the praetor takes a decision and both consuls oppose,the decision is revoked
if the praetor takes a decision,the consuls abstain and both the tribunes are against it ,the decision is revoked
if the proconsul makes a decision and the consul opposes,the decision is revoked
if the consul makes a decision and the proconsul oppose it,the praetor decides
if both consuls make a decision and both tribunes oppose it,the praetor is an arbiter
if one consul makes a decision and the other abstaines,teh tribunes are the arbiters
if the praetor and both consuls make a decision and both tribunes oppose it,the senate is the arbiter

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