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WHERE IS MOSHE?
Open your mind. Your perception of reality is about to change.
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The Ukrainian Security Service, the SBU, -- the Ukrainian government's secret police -- has arrested a 30-year-old man who reported on the unfolding pandemic in the country, specifically on 170 people being hospitalised, trains travelling through Tarnopol without stopping, planes carrying out disinfection missions at night time and the death of students at Tarnopol and Lviv.


The case has gone to court. If found guilty, the blogger can be sentenced to one month of forced labor, have a 20% salary deduction or be fined 15 times the minimum income.


The blogger was arrested for spreading "rumours and fearmongering" under special emergency laws the Ukrainian government is implementing under the pretext of fighting a pandemic.


According to Ukraine's presidential decree and a decision by the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Board of 30 October 2009, the Ukrainian Security Service is to "provide national security during an outbreak of a flu pandemic in Ukraine in case of urgent actions

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. [link to www.1tv.com.ua]
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The Ukrainian Security Service, the SBU, -- the Ukrainian government's secret police -- has arrested a 30-year-old man who reported on the unfolding pandemic in the country, specifically on 170 people being hospitalised, trains travelling through Tarnopol without stopping, planes carrying out disinfection missions at night time and the death of students at Tarnopol and Lviv.
The case has gone to court. If found guilty, the blogger can be sentenced to one month of forced labor, have a 20% salary deduction or be fined 15 times the minimum income.
The blogger was arrested for spreading "rumours and fearmongering" under special emergency laws the Ukrainian government is implementing under the pretext of fighting a pandemic.
According to Ukraine's presidential decree and a decision by the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Board of 30 October 2009, the Ukrainian Security Service is to "provide national security during an outbreak of a flu pandemic in Ukraine in case of urgent actions
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Leave that poor GLPer alone!
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The Ukrainian Security Service, the SBU, -- the Ukrainian government's secret police -- has arrested a 30-year-old man who reported on the unfolding pandemic in the country, specifically on 170 people being hospitalised, trains travelling through Tarnopol without stopping, planes carrying out disinfection missions at night time and the death of students at Tarnopol and Lviv.


The case has gone to court. If found guilty, the blogger can be sentenced to one month of forced labor, have a 20% salary deduction or be fined 15 times the minimum income.


The blogger was arrested for spreading "rumours and fearmongering" under special emergency laws the Ukrainian government is implementing under the pretext of fighting a pandemic.


According to Ukraine's presidential decree and a decision by the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Board of 30 October 2009, the Ukrainian Security Service is to "provide national security during an outbreak of a flu pandemic in Ukraine in case of urgent actions

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. [link to www.1tv.com.ua]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811973



Well that will shut most people up, along with "The week of silence" starting today but likely to continue.

Russia is extremely quiet too, makes you wonder what's happening there. Most Eastern block countries are not above using draconian measures to keep people quiet.
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Latest official figures.



Audio: Oct15 Oct29 Nov2 Nov5 twitter
Live feed of underlying pandemic map data here
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Reported Ukraine Cases Top One Million - 174 Fatalities
Recombinomics Commentary 18:41
November 9, 2009

1,031,597 Influenza/ARI

52,742 Hospitalized

174 Dead

The latest update for Ukraine includes more than 1 million reported cases (see map). The fatalities have jumped from 155 to 174 and almost 53K have been hospitalized. The biggest jump in fatalities was in Lviv, where reported deaths rose from 63 to 74. However, the largest jump in cases was in Kiev, raising concerns that the infections were spreading east.

The increase in cases and deaths continue to support a genetic change in the H1N1 virus. However, there have been no updates on samples which were sent to London over a week ago.

The sequence silence continues to increase concerns that the large number of cases and deaths in Ukraine is linked to changes, which may involve the receptor binding domain in general and position 225 in particular.
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WHO Silence on Ukraine Sequences Raises Pandemic Concerns
Recombinomics Commentary 19:01
November 9, 2009

It has now been more than a week since samples from Ukraine were sent to the WHO regional lab, Mill Hill in London. Although comments have been made that at least 15 samples were H1N1 confirmed, and the sequences showed no large changes or resistance to oseltamivir, there have been no updates. The absence of additional information or release of sequences, increases concerns that small changes undergoing further analysis are causing delays.

In the days post shipment, cases in Ukraine have quadrupled to over 1 million and the reported fatalities have grown from 30 to 174. The clinical presentation of 90 of the fatalities was classical H1N1 linked hemorrhagic pneumonia, which led to the "total destruction" of both lungs. These fatal cases were hospitalized 3-7 days after disease onset, highlighting the rapid progression of the infection in a large number of patients, suggesting genetic changes in the H1N1 virus.

Although politicians and media reports continue to downplay the significance by citing a small number of lab confirmed cases or more traditional pneumonia deaths, the number of fatal hemorrhagic cases was unusually large. These deaths involve hemorrhagic pneumonia in previously health young adults. Most deaths were 19-40 years of age. The age group with the second highest totals was 41-55. Thus, the age profile of these cases parallels those seen in other countries in H1N1 infected patients.

Isolates from other countries, including recent isolates from samples from fatal cases In Sau Paula, Brazil had changes at position 225 in the receptor binding domain (D225G and D225N). These recent changes in Brazil raise concerns that there are similar changes in Ukraine.

It is likely that a lack of suspect changes would have led to an announcement that no significant changes were found. Instead WHO has remained silent since Thursday, as concerns increase.

Sequencing should have been largely completed last week and the presence or absence of regional markers should be clear. Release of the sequences or a list of polymorphisms under further investigation would be useful.

The silence on the sequences continues to increase concerns.
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how do we know these people in the Ukraine aren't dying because of some vaccine they were chumped into taking?


Good point


i know quite a few old people who have died the last year or so


the flu jab did not make them very "healthy"


They hardly take any vaccines in the Ukraine. They certainly didn't have the flu vaccine and even now they are only giving the vaccine to the unaffected eastern regions as it is too late in the west.

Something may well have been released into the atmosphere there but it is still passing person to person and crossing borders. Don't fall into the trap of believing that if you avoid the vaccine you will be safe because even if the vaccine causes a more pathogenic flu, that flu will still pass to the unvaccinated.
 Quoting: Nightshade


If the flu mutated it won't make a difference to the people who took the vaccine anyway because the current vaccine only supposedly covers the unmutated strain. A new vaccine would have to be created from the mutated strain.
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The Ukrainian Security Service, the SBU, -- the Ukrainian government's secret police -- has arrested a 30-year-old man who reported on the unfolding pandemic in the country, specifically on 170 people being hospitalised, trains travelling through Tarnopol without stopping, planes carrying out disinfection missions at night time and the death of students at Tarnopol and Lviv.


The case has gone to court. If found guilty, the blogger can be sentenced to one month of forced labor, have a 20% salary deduction or be fined 15 times the minimum income.


The blogger was arrested for spreading "rumours and fearmongering" under special emergency laws the Ukrainian government is implementing under the pretext of fighting a pandemic.


According to Ukraine's presidential decree and a decision by the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Board of 30 October 2009, the Ukrainian Security Service is to "provide national security during an outbreak of a flu pandemic in Ukraine in case of urgent actions

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. [link to www.1tv.com.ua]



Well that will shut most people up, along with "The week of silence" starting today but likely to continue.

Russia is extremely quiet too, makes you wonder what's happening there. Most Eastern block countries are not above using draconian measures to keep people quiet.
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Meanwhile we are celebrating the fall of communism in eastern europe.....yea right
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UKRAINE HAS 42 MILLION PEOPLE.....HOW MANY HAVE DIED?
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UKRAINE HAS 42 MILLION PEOPLE.....HOW MANY HAVE DIED?
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In concentrated pockets in little over a week. nearly 5000 people were hospitalized yesterday, just in one day! and these are the official figures. What about the real figures?

The genie is out of the bottle.

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1,031,597 Influenza/ARI
52,742 Hospitalized
174 Dead
 Quoting: Nightshade


this is very scary
the genetic alterations are all over this
it is so obvious what happens here
meanwhile media are spreading propaganda
protesters and people who ask questions are silenced, ridiculed or arrested
and internet gets more and more shut down,
for example in US army they can not look
at certain websites anymore

this is really very scary!
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What would bird flu/swine flu mix look like.?
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Translated to English from: [link to www.moz.gov.ua]

Health Minister of Ukraine Vasyl Knyazevich during the conference call expressed concern about the high threshold of morbidity among workers of medical field.

As on 06.11.2009, in Ukraine sick 687 physicians and more than 1500 young specialists. In quarantine areas the incidence ranges from 0.5% to 1.3% of the total number of doctors and from 0.5% to 1.2% of younger professionals. In addition, 4 physicians and 2 junior personnel died as a result of their professional duties.

This situation complicates the already difficult work of physicians who work with the excessive load. In order to support regions with the most complex epidemiological situation, the Ministry of Health of Ukraine formed more than 570 mobile teams, composed of family physicians, pediatricians, infectious disease, anesthesiologists and others. specialists.


Press Service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine
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The red flag here is that fact that this alleged outbreak of H1N1 flu virus in Ukraine is killing people within a week.
Why? Most deaths from the flu occur from complications. Seven days sounds way too quick for the lungs to be totally destroyed. Especially when even the CDC said that this was more mild than the seasonal flu. What are the statistics of flu destroying lungs and causing death within seven days? What causes the victims to cough up blood so quickly after contracting this virus?
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I am not sure if you already know the answer.

Cytokine Storm

Your own unregulated immune system is over-responding to an invader that it has not seen before. Components attack everything in the area....the invader and healthy lung tissue.

Keep your immune system strong and well regulated during the winter months with Vitamin D3.

Take about 5,000 units per day. If feeling sick, raise this to 20,000 units per day for one week.

D3 helps prevent Cytokine Storm.......so that your immune system does not kill you.

Your own immune system will then destroy the invader within a few weeks.....and you will develop life long immunity.
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When they report 174 dead.....do you believe it?

Do you believe MSM in this country?

Keep in mind that they had no problem with keeping the Chernobyl nuclear disaster quiet for about 3 weeks.

The death toll is probably much, much higher.

In a few weeks,,,,,,when it reaches 50,000 plus....it will have SHOCK VALUE.

It will then be the first thing you read on Yahoo......50,000 dead in Ukraine from mutated flu virus (when it is probably pneumonic plague).

People worldwide will then rush to get vaccinated.

Please consider that the Nazi/Bankers/elite are quite capable of using more than one Bio-Weapon at a given time...duh.
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Cytokine Storm

Your own unregulated immune system is over-responding to an invader that it has not seen before. Components attack everything in the area....the invader and healthy lung tissue.

Keep your immune system strong and well regulated during the winter months with Vitamin D3.

Take about 5,000 units per day. If feeling sick, raise this to 20,000 units per day for one week.

D3 helps prevent Cytokine Storm.......so that your immune system does not kill you.

Your own immune system will then destroy the invader within a few weeks.....and you will develop life long immunity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810685


can you support these statements about Vitamin D3 with scientific evidence, website, link?
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Ukraine and World Pneumonic Plague Information

[link to ukraineplague.blogspot.com]
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This flu thing in the Ukraine is smelling like BS.

There is no major videos coming out of the country ~ the major news outlet are very pro-forma and even quiet on the subject. So far, only 144 deaths reported over the whole country.

From the internet buzz you'd think the whole country was coughing up bloody lungs. This is the 'panic' TPTB wanted the world to generate.

Don't buy into it.


:bsbag:
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BINGO.
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It's just more hype from TPTB, they're kicking it up a notch to test the waters to see how much bullshit we will buy with these staged epidemics, so they can plot their next deception. This is because media hype is cheaper for them than actually following through 100%, and usually yields the same result. They are psychologically manipulating the masses for constant fear, yielding a state of what is essentially chronic Post Traumatic Syndrome in everyone, which keeps us off our game. They know this and use it.
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what about the D3 - can anyone proof that statement with some facts and links?
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bump
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At least the Ukrainian Health Ministry provides some practical info:

"Optimization of prevention of influenza with the use of traditional and non-traditional medicine"

there are some suggestions of brewing home tea with honey and vodka

here [link to translate.google.com]

Then scroll down to "Conclusions" at the end of the article

Conclusions

1. The clinical picture of a new influenza A (H1/N1)-California on WHO data characterized incubation period of 1 to 7 days, a sudden rise in body temperature above 38,0 ° C, headache and pain in the throat, the emergence of pharyngitis, cough, shortness of breath, presence of pain in the muscles. In severe cases of influenza (H1/N1) can quickly complicate pneumonia (viral or viral-bacterial), which promotes the development of respiratory failure, which can lead to fatal consequences.

2. Means of traditional and alternative medicine, which aim to improve immunity and natural resistance antyinfektsiynoyi (anti-infection) be useful as a prevention of influenza infection. Most available for widespread use in the threat of a flu epidemic are preparations of Echinacea purpurea tincture and propolis produced by domestic pharmaceutical companies, affordable and can be used in outpatient poliklini-chnyh and home.

3. If you have a background of respiratory disease (chronic laryngitis, pharyngitis, tonsillitis, bronchitis), in which marked a significant decrease in local (mukozalnoho) immunity, which contributes to an increased likelihood zahvoryuvannnya (of getting ill) influenza and other ozone depleting substances during the influenza epidemic threat advisable to use to prevent combined fitozbory along with bee products, providing recovery of the immune reactivity of the airways and improve mukozalnoho immunity. These products include beekeeping, including zabrus, propolis, bee podmor, Perga, pollen and others.

4. As a background event that enhances the immune reactivity of the body, improves the antitoxic function of liver and increases the resistance of KRO-ve-nosnyh capillaries between the threat of influenza epidem According to our records, have 30-40 days of regular consumption of green tea with natural bee honey (preferably with lime or ehinatseivym (echinacea)), lemon and other Phyto is sufficient to significantly improve performance as the system (total) and local (mukozalnoho) imu - nitetu, and therefore significantly reduce the likelihood of illness of influenza and other ozone depleting substances.
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Source - Recombinomics offers consulting on viral evolution and consequences, with emphasis on the H1N1 pandemic.
Predictions base on this dynamic analysis is of interest to vaccine manufacturers and pandemic planners in the public and private sectors.
BULLSHIT
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Cytokine Storm

Your own unregulated immune system is over-responding to an invader that it has not seen before. Components attack everything in the area....the invader and healthy lung tissue.

Keep your immune system strong and well regulated during the winter months with Vitamin D3.

Take about 5,000 units per day. If feeling sick, raise this to 20,000 units per day for one week.

D3 helps prevent Cytokine Storm.......so that your immune system does not kill you.

Your own immune system will then destroy the invader within a few weeks.....and you will develop life long immunity.


can you support these statements about Vitamin D3 with scientific evidence, website, link?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 814663



Search this forum for vit D threads - there are dozens.

One of the threads has a link to an unusual case article where vit D was being given daily to patients in some kind of long term hospital (mental, alzhimers etc)

the only people that got sick there (among hundreds) were:
- one transfer patient from another hospital
- hospital staff that picked up the flu virus outside of the hospital
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The article on GLP about the Ukraine closing its borders was a good read except there is one flaw and it is the fact that they did not stop air travel to and from Ukraine.

Now if it was so bad and spreading as fast as they claim then why would you still allow international air travel to and from the Ukraine.
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The article on GLP about the Ukraine closing its borders was a good read except there is one flaw and it is the fact that they did not stop air travel to and from Ukraine.

Now if it was so bad and spreading as fast as they claim then why would you still allow international air travel to and from the Ukraine.
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Well it's like this. Ukraine doesn't care about uninfected people bringing their money into the country or even infected people taking the virus out of the country but their close neighbours do worry about Ukraine spreading it across their borders. It's too late anyway as all their neighbours have it and have closed schools, declared epidemics etc.

There have been no serious attempts at containment in this pandemic and you have to ask yourself why.
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UPDATE 11/9/09 10:06pm Pneumonia Death of Belarus Doctor Near Ukraine Border

Pneumonia Death of Belarus Doctor Near Ukraine Border



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Pneumonia Death of Belarus Doctor Near Ukraine Border
Recombinomics Commentary 18:41
November 9, 2009

A worker of the scientific and practical centre of radiation medicine in Homel has died from pneumonia.

This fact has been confirmed to BelaPAN by the head of the Health Care directorate of Homel regional executive committee Mikalai Vasilkou.

As said by him, the worker of the centre was taken to the emergency hospital with acute respiratory failure. "On Friday we received confirmation from anatomical pathologists that the woman died of hard total pneumonia," the head of the directorate stated.

As the BelaPAN has found out, the deceased was about 30, she had a maternity leave recently. She worked in the ultrasonography diagnostics department of the centre.

Mikalai Vasilkou added that there are other death cases from pneumonia, but they are to be confirmed by anatomical pathology centres still.

The above translation describes a pneumonia death of a Doctor in Gomel, which is in Belarus near the Ukraine border (see map). The report describes additional pneumonia deaths in the area. Belarus has acknowledged 20 deaths and widespread H1N1 including excessive absenteeism in schools. These deaths raise concerns that the spike in cases in Ukraine is being mirrored in Belarus.

In Ukraine the number of cases has exceeded 1 million and the latest count on reported deaths is 174. Include are 6 health care workers who have died and over 2000 have been ill. Samples have been sent to Mill Hill in London, but there has been no detail on sequencing results, and sequences have not been released.

Comparison of sequences from fatal cases in Belarus and Ukraine would be useful.

The Authorities in Ukraine NEED to start telling everyone what is going on!! They don't need to have the Police CONFISCATING the Medical Reports from the Hospitals as they have done!

They are causing More panic by not saying what the "official" cause of deaths are. People Need to know how to protect themselves, including Health Care Workers.

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