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If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously

 
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If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
about finding another career!

That is my take on it.

It is just ridiculous to stretch political correctness to the notion that after what has happened this week, soldiers will be able to tolerate American Muslim soldiers.

I mean the distrust would make working together impossible, it seems to me?

What do y'all think?
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
about finding another career!

That is my take on it.

It is just ridiculous to stretch political correctness to the notion that after what has happened this week, soldiers will be able to tolerate American Muslim soldiers.

I mean the distrust would make working together impossible, it seems to me?

What do y'all think?
 Quoting: New Eve



i think we should let it go, the only reason it is an issue is due to MSM and people like yourself talking about it.
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
about finding another career!

That is my take on it.

It is just ridiculous to stretch political correctness to the notion that after what has happened this week, soldiers will be able to tolerate American Muslim soldiers.

I mean the distrust would make working together impossible, it seems to me?

What do y'all think?



i think we should let it go, the only reason it is an issue is due to MSM and people like yourself talking about it.
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Really? Go back to sleep

2003 Sgt. Hasan Akbar, fragged commanding officers at a military camp outside Iraq, killing two and wounding 15 others.

2005, after the FBI broke up a Muslim spy ring at Gitmo that involved Muslim military personnel, the Pentagon's counterspying unit, the Counterintelligence Field Activity, warned brass that Islamic legal doctrine was compromising devout Muslim soldiers' loyalty:

a subsequent Defense Department Inspector General warning to the Pentagon to review the backgrounds of Muslim chaplains who'd been sponsored by a group founded by a Muslim activist convicted of terrorism. Asked to make sure those chaplains weren't radicalizing soldiers, a Pentagon spokeswoman responded blithely, "These are all good chaplains who have represented their faith well."

Last year, Hassan Abujihaad, a Navy signalman, was convicted of tipping off al Qaeda about battlegroup movements in the Persian Gulf, including disclosing classified documents detailing the group's vulnerability to terror attack.

Read more: [link to www.nypost.com]
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
I disagree with the idea that this is not an issue and we should just let it go.

What is an MSM, by the way? In my field (epidemiology) it means men who have sex with men.

What do you mean it is not an issue?

How will "letting it go" solve the problem that we have with terrorism?

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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
about finding another career!

That is my take on it.

It is just ridiculous to stretch political correctness to the notion that after what has happened this week, soldiers will be able to tolerate American Muslim soldiers.

I mean the distrust would make working together impossible, it seems to me?

What do y'all think?



i think we should let it go, the only reason it is an issue is due to MSM and people like yourself talking about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741801



I disagree.

What is an MSM to you? To me, (in epidemiology) it means men who have sex with men.

And how will "letting it go" help us solve our problems with terrorism?
Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
honestly if you guys buy into all that radical Muslim terrorist BS you are definatley not awake, you seem to forget who invented terrorism and terrorist extremist Islam, It was your government.

this is just another attempt to convince people of radical Islamic threat.

MSM means mainstream meadia.
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
lol, do you realize the middle eastern people don't just count as Muslim there are loads and loads of converts! hell Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and is getting faster by the day because more and more people are actually reading the Quran rather than just discredit it!

secondly any Muslim with any braincell would know not to join the army!

why~? well firstly western society has a nack for labeling people to words offensively! for example in the newspaper they put Muslim terrorist and train in capitals like this, MUSLIM, TERRORIST, TRAIN.

wtf I ain't stupid and I know that's subliminal messaging and labeling Muslims as terrorists, like Germans don't like to be called Nazi.

now back to the point, because of what iv said above, it puts a bad image on a society that i believe is far more educated, mannered and well respected then the west what the west don't like. with this image in the military is a bad combo!!!!! why??? well most of the service men are school leavers or very very little education, like chavs in the UK :P have a tendency to pick on the miss fortunate.

But honestly i don't know the US army myself only the UK, did 2 years training with the queens flight regiment, wasn't for me and yes im a Muslim!! i believe its not about race or religion in the UK army as its already a ethnic mixed nation.

I know in the UK army if you show weakness or look weak then you'll be the one picked on rather than race or religion.
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lol, do you realize the middle eastern people don't just count as Muslim there are loads and loads of converts! hell Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and is getting faster by the day because more and more people are actually reading the Quran rather than just discredit it!

secondly any Muslim with any braincell would know not to join the army!

why~? well firstly western society has a nack for labeling people to words offensively! for example in the newspaper they put Muslim terrorist and train in capitals like this, MUSLIM, TERRORIST, TRAIN.

wtf I ain't stupid and I know that's subliminal messaging and labeling Muslims as terrorists, like Germans don't like to be called Nazi.

now back to the point, because of what iv said above, it puts a bad image on a society that i believe is far more educated, mannered and well respected then the west what the west don't like. with this image in the military is a bad combo!!!!! why??? well most of the service men are school leavers or very very little education, like chavs in the UK :P have a tendency to pick on the miss fortunate.

But honestly i don't know the US army myself only the UK, did 2 years training with the queens flight regiment, wasn't for me and yes im a Muslim!! i believe its not about race or religion in the UK army as its already a ethnic mixed nation.

I know in the UK army if you show weakness or look weak then you'll be the one picked on rather than race or religion.
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My point exactly, A few of my friends are converts, and they have shown me some stuff in the Quran and I tell you its not anything like the good ol western governments (mine included) would have you think.

thats why the whole basis of ISLAMIC TERRORISM is retarded, and this shooting thing needs to be dropped.
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So no Gays and now no Muslims. So who exactly are you expecting to fight in all the conflicts we find ourselves in now and in the future. Do you want to be the person who has to tell an army private with a family that he has to serve an extended tour of duty because we don't have enough troops. Remember just two years ago how over extended the military was in Iraq. Also I am sorry to say that their are hundreds of crimes committed at military bases all around this country and world. Remember the marine who killed a fellow female marine, he was not a Muslim in fact his religion was not even mentioned. There are plenty of nuts around this world both Muslim and none to damn an entire religion because of the actions of a few and yes a few. There are over 1 billion Muslims world wide and at most a million or two extremists. It would be like saying all Christians are racist because the KKK claims to be a god fearing Christian groups or that all Jews are responsible for that deluded nut (who was jewish) who walked into a mosque in NY and shoot up those inside praying, because he believed that he was following gods orders.Let a religion that does not have its own nuts cast the first stone.
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If you are not a Muslim and in the American Military, are you fucking insane or what?
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
MSM in this context means MainStream Media.
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My point exactly, A few of my friends are converts, and they have shown me some stuff in the Quran and I tell you its not anything like the good ol western governments (mine included) would have you think.

thats why the whole basis of ISLAMIC TERRORISM is retarded, and this shooting thing needs to be dropped.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741801

Well that settles it then....lol

Did your friends explain why the Quran has 2 completely narratives and instructions for believers? In plain English the instructions Mo gave while in Medina and weak and the differences when he had conquered Mecca. Did they explain abrogation? Or that one must study the Hadiths to understand the Quran

Also explain jihad pre-11th century(Before the Crusades)
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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So no Gays and now no Muslims. So who exactly are you expecting to fight in all the conflicts we find ourselves in now and in the future. Do you want to be the person who has to tell an army private with a family that he has to serve an extended tour of duty because we don't have enough troops. Remember just two years ago how over extended the military was in Iraq. Also I am sorry to say that their are hundreds of crimes committed at military bases all around this country and world. Remember the marine who killed a fellow female marine, he was not a Muslim in fact his religion was not even mentioned. There are plenty of nuts around this world both Muslim and none to damn an entire religion because of the actions of a few and yes a few. There are over 1 billion Muslims world wide and at most a million or two extremists. It would be like saying all Christians are racist because the KKK claims to be a god fearing Christian groups or that all Jews are responsible for that deluded nut (who was jewish) who walked into a mosque in NY and shoot up those inside praying, because he believed that he was following gods orders.Let a religion that does not have its own nuts cast the first stone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798066



I am not damning the religion.

I have read 1/2 the Q'uran myself, and it is a very interesting book. This is not about Islam. This is about the practical reality that being a Muslim in the U.S. Military was never easy, and will get even harder now that what's his name has had his rampage last week.

That is all this thread is about, in my opinion.

Of course it is in the nature of the forum that people will take someone's ideas and twist them all out of proportion.
Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
honestly if you guys buy into all that radical Muslim terrorist BS you are definatley not awake, you seem to forget who invented terrorism and terrorist extremist Islam, It was your government.

this is just another attempt to convince people of radical Islamic threat.

MSM means mainstream meadia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 741801



The American government invented terrorism and terrorist extremist Islam?

give me a break, AC.

What a statement. Why do you believe that? i.e., prove it.
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Re: If you are Muslim and in the American Military, Think Seriously
keep at it. keep bickering and blaming and generalizing as to who deserves to remain in the army or in the country. ALL THE WHILE, the ship you sail on is sinking.

there's enough information that ALL of you are aware of but very few are willing to admit to the fact that the US (super power) days are over. DONE for GOOD.

There's an adjustment that the current generations of Americans are not accustomed to and that is in only a few years from now, the US will be in the same category as underdeveloped nation or a thirdworld country.

The shift is coming whether you like it or not...the east will be the focus of the world and but no longer the west. Harsh words I fear for some but it is the truth.

so the argument of what islam is about or what muslims are like, will not matter much in the future.

It is the nature of things... what goes up must come down...all empires fall..unfortunately, it is time for the US Empire to say farewell. Muslims are going to be the least of your problems.





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