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Corn Conspiracy (There Was Corn In Babylon 4,000 Years Ago)

 
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So here's my question. There were many many many ancient gods and goddesses associated with corn (and corn was even mentioned in ancient texts). However, scientists (and official history) claims that:

1) corn was cultivated in central mexico
2) the earliest that those dwelling in the eastern hemisphere met those dwelling in the western hemisphere was perhaps 1000AD (the vikings)

So, how did Dagan (a Babylonian god) get to be associated with corn and why the hell is corn mentioned as existing in ancient Babylon 3,000 years before anyone even new about the americas?

I came across this question while wondering "if corn doesn't grow in the wild then who put it here and taught us to take care of it?"
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I don't know that much about corn, so if someone here can tell me where I am making an error or something it would be appreciated.
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I don't know that much about corn, so if someone here can tell me where I am making an error or something it would be appreciated.
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Very interesting OP

A crystal seal from Phoenicia in the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford, bearing an inscription which he reads as Baal-dagon. Near the name is an ear of corn, and other symbols, such as the winged solar disc, a gazelle, and several stars
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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The olde english called all grains corn, I believe; as in barleycorn. New World maize is now commonly called "corn".

Perhaps the cheapest grain and or the one fed to animals generally is the one the old english called "corn".
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Dr. Thompson Gunnar Thompson will speak at the Internet Atlantic Conference on Saturday, October 10th, 2009 starting at 9 AM Eastern Time in the USA.

His topic is Ancient Egyptian maize with an introduction on turkeys and Turkey Corn in the British Isles. The Egyptian maize dates to 4000 BC; and it follows introduction via Minoan Crete and the Middle East circa 5000 BC. It now appears that maize, or Indian corn, was a major crop in Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome. This is a major breakthrough as all the traditional historians have claimed for the past century that there was no maize in Egypt until after Columbus.

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So it stands makes one wonder...

1) How long has maize been around and farmed by man?
2) Where was it first grown?
3) How did man acquire the ability to genetically modify and crossbreed it so early? What gave him the idea?
4) What's going on here?
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The importance of this unfolding story of maize is
that it strongly indicates _the cultural diffusion_ from America, as well
as simply the diffusion of the seeds. (Because the iconographic evidence
from these temples indicates that the fertility rituals associated with
corn were borrowed by the Old World tribes that also borrowed the seeds).
In other words, what we are really seeing is that cross-oceanic travel was
not an isolated, perhaps accidental, occurrence of contact. It indicates
stronger links, i.e. perhaps repeated trips there and back.

CARL JOHANNESSEN ON ANCIENT INDIAN MAIZE

[part 2 of 2]


Of course, information about this interesting ancient Indian (and
Chinese) corn has been around for a while (detailed bibliography is
given in the article). J. Needham wrote about this in his TRANS-PACIFIC
CONTACTS. But hard studies about this were quite scarce until this
publication in ECONOMIC BOTANY.

We photographed and studied the Hoysala temples at Somnathpur,
Belur, and at Halebid in 1986. Dozens of other Hoysala temples
may contain similar "maize" carvings. (p. 164)

Many temples in South India contain abundant stone carvings
that look remarkably like maize ears. They are depicted being
held erect in the hands of attendants to the gods with very
specific hand symbols (mudras), always with thumb and index
finger touching and middle finger extended along the axis of
the ear. (p. 170)

There is a great number of those carved representations in the three
temples discussed in the article.

In Somnathpur, we find two male and 63 female attendants to
the deities holding the "maize ears". (p. 170)

The following temples are also reported to have similar carvings,

Sravana Belagola, a Jain Temple complex, 8th century AD;
Boddgaya Temple, 1st century BC; and a Rajasthan (Kuvera)
Temple, 8th century AD. ... [They are] comparable with those
[of the temples under discussion]. (p. 175)

And there are many more others... So one thing that cannot
be doubted is the wide presence of corn in India in those ancient
times. These are no flukes...

...this maize-like fertility symbol must have been present
long enough before the 12th-13th century AD for it to have
been incorporated into the religious symbolism in many Hoysala
temples. (p. 171)

And

Maize is so tightly integrated at the Somnathpur, Belur, and
Halebid temples that it might even be postulated that maize
was the _cause celebre_ of the Hoysala Dynasty. (p. 179)

In the article, authors discuss what else could have been
represented by these carvings, but any alternative suggestions (such
as annona, pandanus, pomegranates, and mango fruits, considered on p.
171) appear unpersuasive.

Authors list possible difficulties with their conclusions, but they
don't appear too difficult in the least. One item of interest that
they bring up is the nature of evidence for ancient maize pollen in
India. Such evidence have been found in "two separate cores in two
mires in Kashmir" (p. 175), but so far such evidence is fragmentary.
Authors suggest that the sites in question should be recored and
examined again. But the difficulties with the evidence from pollen
cannot cast doubt on the _unequivocal evidence_ from stone carvings
that we already possess -- it can only, in the future, perhaps
provide us with additional supporting details about when and where
corn was in India.

An interesting consideration is the lack of large scale present-day
corn cultivation in the areas where temples are. The authors give a
reasonable explanations as to why this is so. The best explanation,
it appears to me, is that corn was, at some point in time, replaced
in these areas by other crops that appealed more to the populace,
for whatever reasons. Authors inform us that corn (including of some
rather unusual, and possibly very ancient varieties) is still grown
in India, but it is grown usually at higher elevations.

... it [corn] appears to be a dominant staple for many
(perhaps all) of the "Hill Tribes" in India and the Himalayan
peoples up to about 1,700 m (8,000 feet)... (p. 176)

This alone, to me, is a strong indication of antiquity. It is a matter
well-known to anthropologists that the higher one goes into the
mountain areas, the more ancient and the more indigenous the tribes
residing there are. Usually, invading tribes throughout history come
in from the plains and push the previous residents (the more
indigenous peoples) to less fertile areas at higher elevations.
(Alternately, they can be pushed further into the jungle areas.) In
turn, the previous arrivals to this general area push the even more
indigenous people ever higher up into the hills. This sort of a
process was, and of course still is, quite common around the world.
(The destruction of native cultures is occurring at a very high rate
currently.)

The authors mention briefly the very interesting variety of corn
found in the Sikkim area in the Himalayas.

In the remote valleys in the Himalayas such as Tashigang in
Bhutan and Ilam in eastern Nepal, we find primitive popcorns
with seven to nine ears per stem, all concentrated in the
upper 20% of the stem. Similar "Sikkim primitive" popcorn was
also recorded ... [elsewhere in Sikkim] ... [and] in
northeastern India. These stems have distinctive arrangements
of leaves and ear locations and tassels that droop in a form
not typical for American maize. (p. 177)

The varieties of corn in India and in China are often quite unlike
the ones found in the Americas. In particular, besides the "Sikkim
primitive", the authors mention the "conical" corn with a "somewhat
pregnant shape like the Mysore carvings" (in Bhutan, p. 177). Such
variety is normally a sign of ancient speciation. Also, the waxy
starch maize is found widely in Asia,

Waxy starch maize is widespread in Asia from Manchuria and
Korea to Burma and Assam, but rare in ancient America. This is
a sticky starch. Professor You Xiuling of Hangzhou (pers.
comm.) has stated that waxy-starched maize in China has a
significantly distinctive isozyme distribution that is very
different from New World maize isozymes. How far these new
isozyme patterns extend into Southeast Asia and Subcontinent
India has not yet been thoroughly explored, but Sachan et al.
(1982) and Sachan and Sarkar (1986a,b) found that the multi-
eared Sikkim primitive popcorn exhibits a distinct
constitutive heterochromatic phenomenon similar to that found
in South American maizes. Therefore, some ancient maizes have
likely existed in Asia for a long time. (p. 177)

So, great genetic variation of maize in India is an additional
strong indicator of its antiquity there.

Obviously more research needs to be done about all this, and maybe
it is already being done, since, after all, the article was written
in '89.

Also, the authors say this,

Finally, we should admit that only a few geographers,
ethnobotanists, and anthropologists believe that maize was
present in India before Columbus. Most researchers in these
sciences have not seen the temples and the extensive
representations of maize nor have they seen the variability of
maize in the Americas; they are probably unaware of the
evidence. (p. 176)

Academics unaware of important evidence? I think we have heard these
words before somewhere...


Much needs to be done to evalute this evidence fully, and to put it in
the context of culture development on both sides of the Pacific. It's
interesting that two important "Smoking Guns" for diffusion provided by
botany, the maize and the sweet potato, both indicate that cultural
traits diffused _from_ the Americas to the Old World. This should give
pause to those who like to toss around the accusation that the
diffusionists "minimize and discount" the creativity of the ancient
American peoples. For here, we have precisely the case when the ancient
Americans contributed much to the Old World _even before_ Columbus'
"discovery". (Of course, all of us know how many plants came from America
_post-Columbus_ to enrich world agriculture.)


Who is minimizing what here? I, for one, _know_ how creative and talented
the ancient Americans were, and how much they have accomplished. The
diffusionists that I read only wish to describe the particulars of
cultural evolution objectively -- the way it was in reality. That reality
clearly included cultural interaction across the Pacific that went _both
ways_, starting from a very early date. To pretend that good evidence for
this does not exist, to close one's eyes to all this, is to choose to
live in a world of delusion, it seems to me...


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I think what we call corn requires a good amount of rainfall to grow. Ancient Babylon 3,000 years ago may have had some extensive canals for watering, or perhaps the climate was different back then, or they grew a type of wild corn that didn't require as much water? It is an interesting question.
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corn was cultivated and IS CULTIVATED EVERYWHERE

93 PERCENT OF CORN IS IN ALL FOOD PRODUCTS DIESEL FUEL ETC STUFF


we even use CORN to feed the COWS :]



go watch that movie FOOD ,you'll know what i'm talking about

ROFL
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corn was cultivated and IS CULTIVATED EVERYWHERE

93 PERCENT OF CORN IS IN ALL FOOD PRODUCTS DIESEL FUEL ETC STUFF


we even use CORN to feed the COWS :]



go watch that movie FOOD ,you'll know what i'm talking about

ROFL
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This has nothing to do with anything being discussed here. You should ask yourself why your brain is limited to movies...
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I don't know that much about corn, so if someone here can tell me where I am making an error or something it would be appreciated.
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You should watch "The Future of Food". Corn is so pervasive in our food supply and it's a VERY difficult grain to digest.

You are correct. The corn conspiracy goes back to ancient times.

AVOID THIS SHIT, almost all of it is GMO now anyway.
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Genesis 1:29 Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you

which was long predated by The Myth of Cattle and Grain

[link to books.google.com]


Yes it did began in Mesopotamia and even stranger is that it was in the highland near Lebanon and not in the plains. From the same author S Kramer in Sumerische Literarische Teste aus Nippur. [link to openlibrary.org]

Enlil went up the peak and lifted his eyes;
He looked down: there the water filled as a sea.
He looked up: the was the mountain of aromatic cedars.
He hauled up the barley, terraced it on the mountain.
That which vegetates he hauled up, Terraced the grain cereals on the mountain.


This happened after the deluge which of course most people assume that Enlil was anti human. Which I then ask, if he was why would he terrace one of the most scared sites Cedar mountain for the gains.
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its not just corn. quite a few if not of all our farmable crops/animals showed up right at the exact time as our civilization did.
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its not just corn. quite a few if not of all our farmable crops/animals showed up right at the exact time as our civilization did.
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... an evolutionist would have to be impressed with that development ... yes? ...
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... one who believes "In the beginning ..." realizes ...
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its not just corn. quite a few if not of all our farmable crops/animals showed up right at the exact time as our civilization did.
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its not just corn. quite a few if not of all our farmable crops/animals showed up right at the exact time as our civilization did.
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You are correct and it modern science has no explanation yet the accounts from Sumeria are still here to haunt them as in the Myth of Cattle and Grain.

After Anu, Enlil, Enki and Sud had fashioned the black-headed people, Vegetation that luxuriates they multiplied in the Land. Four-legged animals they artfully brought into existence; In the E.DIN they place them.

For the sake of the satiating things, for the pure sheepfold, Civilized Mankind was brought into existence. That which by planting multiplies, had not yet been fashioned; Terraces had not yet been set up......The triple grain of thirty days did not exist; The triple grain of fourty days did not exist; The small grain of the pure A.DAM, did not exist.....Tuber-vegetables of the field had not yet come forth.

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The English and German word CORN means GRAIN.

It can be any grain. The most common grain in the United States for consumption is the grain most commonly called Maize by the rest of the world. Americans know Maize as Corn, but our corn (maize) was not grown anywhere else on the earth outside of the Americas when Columbus sailed to the new world. After Columbus it spread to all human habitation.
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OP YOU WERE SANDBAGGING in your first post, thuse I figureed you were hung up on language changes in word useage over time. Nope you have been digging into the hidden historys.

Yup some trans-pacific travel in early times. Maybe as long as 50,000 years ago by seafareing African blacks that traveled to India, se Asia, Australia[with their dogs 60,000 years ago], New Guiena, even as far as Hawaii where the natives have 10% of their blood.
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[link to unusualkentucky.blogspot.com]

read this blog entry about corn. it is very interesting.
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Excerpts from the blog cited above:

"There is no clear chain of evolution of corn to be found in the fossil record. Corn as we know it does not seem to have existed until after the Pleistocene era - seemingly, it just suddenly appeared out of nowhere. The oldest corn evidence we have is actually quite sketchy - a specimen of alleged 80,000-year-old fossilized corn pollen, found buried 200 feet beneath the surface of Mexico City. Ears of popcorn, 5,600 years old, were found in Bat Cave, New Mexico. Archaeologists opened tombs in Peru and found kernels of popcorn that were 1,000 years old. They were so well preserved that they still popped when cooked. Remnants of corn from the year 400 have been found in Southern Ohio, near the Kentucky-Ohio border and the ever-spooky Ohio River."

....

A Sir James Frazer, in his landmark tome The Golden Bough, observes:

Dionysus was not the only Greek deity whose tragic story and ritual appear to reflect the decay and revival of vegetation. In another form and with a different application the old tale reappears in the myth of Demeter and Persephone. Substantially their myth is identical with the Syrian one of Aphrodite (Astarte) and Adonis, the Phrygian one of Cybele and Attis, and the Egyptian one of Isis and Osiris. In the Greek fable, as in its Asiatic and Egyptian counterparts, a goddess mourns the loss of a loved one, who personifies the vegetation, more especially the corn, which dies in winter to revive in spring.

The oldest literary document which narrates the myth of Demeter and Persephone is the beautiful Homeric Hymn to Demeter, which critics assign to the seventh century before our era... It has been generally recognised, and indeed it seems scarcely open to doubt, that the main theme which the poet set before himself in composing this hymn was to describe the traditional foundation of the Eleusinian Mysteries by the goddess Demeter.

But there is yet another and a deeper secret of the mysteries which the author of the poem appears to have divulged under cover of his narrative. He tells us how, as soon as she had transformed the barren brown expanse of the Eleusinian plain into a field of golden grain, she gladdened the eyes of Triptolemus and the other Eleusinian princes by showing them the growing or standing corn. When we compare this part of the story with the statement of a Christian writer of the second century, Hippolytus, that the very heart of the mysteries consisted in showing to the initiated a reaped ear of corn, we can hardly doubt that the poet of the hymn was well acquainted with this solemn rite, and that he deliberately intended to explain its origin in precisely the same way as he explained other rites of the mysteries, namely by representing Demeter as having set the example of performing the ceremony in her own person. Thus myth and ritual mutually explain and confirm each other.


Let me repeat what he just said, and place it in bold face: the very heart of the mysteries consisted in showing to the initiated a reaped ear of corn.


Frazer goes on to systematically deconstruct the generally-held belief that Demeter represents an "Earth-Mother" archetype, and insists that Demeter is actually a personification of corn (and also barleycorn); a Corn Goddess, seeking domination over the Earth and its limitations, seeking to transcend the soil to which it is tethered. "The conclusion is confirmed by the monuments; for in ancient art Demeter and Persephone are alike characterised as goddesses of the corn by the crowns of corn which they wear on their heads and by the stalks of corn which they hold in their hands. Again, it was Demeter who first revealed to the Athenians the secret of the corn and diffused the beneficent discovery far and wide through the agency of Triptolemus, whom she sent forth as an itinerant missionary to communicate the boon to all mankind."

In more modern times, the idea of the Corn Goddess is still with us. In Germany to this day, corn is commonly personified under the folkloric name of "The Corn-mother". When the wind causes waves to ripple across a field of corn, the farmers say, "There goes the Corn-mother" or "The Corn-mother is walking through the corn." She is believed to be present in the handful of corn which is left standing last on the field. Depending on local custom, she is either revered by turning that last corn stalk into a ritual doll, or she is exorcised and driven out like a demon.


Frazer continues his scholarly ponderings with a section entitled "The Spirit of the Corn embodied in Human Beings". Which brings us back to where we came in. Says Frazer:

"The spirit of the corn manifests itself not merely in vegetable but also in human form; the person who cuts the last sheaf or gives the last stroke at threshing passes for a temporary embodiment of the corn-spirit, just as much as the bunch of corn which he reaps or threshes".


In other words, you are what you kill, and you are what you eat.

.....

If you want a real scare this Halloween, look no further than the documentary film King Corn, in which two researchers set out to find out why corn is taking over the country, invading practically every food Americans consume. They had their hair analyzed by a lab and discovered that corn was even detected in their hair. They learned that the corn found in almost all processed foods is actually "not fit for human consumption", and yet we're eating it, and so are the animals we eat.


High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is the key ingredient to everything from soft drinks to candy, is made from this same low grade corn that was supposed to be classified inedible. The makers of King Corn could not, try though they did, gain access to any corn syrup factory to view the circumstances under which it is made. In other words, it's essentially as much a guarded and classified state secret as Area 51. You, as a member of the public, are not allowed to see how High Fructose Corn Syrup is manufactured even though you are forced to eat it every day of your life.

Rutgers professor Chi-Tang Ho has proven that soft drinks sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup are up to ten times richer in dangerous carbonyl compounds, including the mysterious methylglyoxal. Carbonyl compounds are highly elevated in the bloodstreams of diabetics, and are blamed for diabetic complications such as foot ulcers, nerve damage, and decreased vision.


Since almost all candies now contain High Fructose Corn Syrup, CBN's Pat Robertson and Kimberly Daniels are inadvertently speaking a sort of truth when they say that Halloween candy is possessed by spirits. That ancient spirit of the Corn Goddess is spreading to all that it touches, and it has very nearly touched everything. You, me, Pat Robertson, we're all part corn. It's in our hair. It's in our cells. Our brains. Our nerves. Our molecular structure. Our atomic structure. All living things are increasingly infected by the presence of corn, for better or for worse. And it's too late to stop it now even if we could. It may or may not truly impact us in our own lifetime, but the long-term difference it will make in the future trajectory of life on Earth is immense.

Like a virus and its host, corn has successfully used us as a means to enable it to multiply and spread itself.

To what ends? Probably nothing more sinister than that age-old simple reason for doing anything: survival. Corn is not only surviving and thriving, it is closer to world domination than any other plant in nature, thanks in part to our own inexplicable efforts to promulgate it. We're turning the entire planet into a corn domain, and we don't even know why we're doing it; we're just doing it because something is compelling us to do so. We don't ask questions, we just plough the fields and scatter.

......

We have not learned that tinkering with genetic code can have disastrous results. Genetically-modified ("Bt") corn pollen seriously endangered the Monarch Butterfly:
[link to www.news.cornell.edu]
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Just about everything in the ancient times relates to astrology and astronomy.
Corn was a symbol of fertility.
Often associated with many gods.
Since the gods were... well known for their...uh...gift at procreating shall we say.
Much like the revered 'bull' god of Egypt which heralds the same claim to fame.
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Just about everything in the ancient times relates to astrology and astronomy.
Corn was a symbol of fertility.
Often associated with many gods.
Since the gods were... well known for their...uh...gift at procreating shall we say.
Much like the revered 'bull' god of Egypt which heralds the same claim to fame.
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Here is one example.
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opps let me fix this.

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BTW some feel that Dagon was really Enki. As Dagon was what the Philistines called him and it means He of the fish. Dagan is He of the Gains. All of which are beneath Enlil.
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From all my years of study, they are all one and the same.
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BTW some feel that Dagon was really Enki. As Dagon was what the Philistines called him and it means He of the fish. Dagan is He of the Gains. All of which are beneath Enlil.


From all my years of study, they are all one and the same.
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the mean two different things. None the less the Myth of Cattle and Grains is clear about who bestowed man with them and then taught them how to cultivate em.
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Re: Corn Conspiracy (There Was Corn In Babylon 4,000 Years Ago)
The English and German word CORN means GRAIN.

It can be any grain. The most common grain in the United States for consumption is the grain most commonly called Maize by the rest of the world. Americans know Maize as Corn, but our corn (maize) was not grown anywhere else on the earth outside of the Americas when Columbus sailed to the new world. After Columbus it spread to all human habitation.
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Err, not quite:


Rosslyn Chapel



Perched on a gorge at the edge of the hauntingly beautiful Esk valley, the 15th century chapel has been described as a cathedral in miniature - a little bit of Chartres surreally transplanted to a Scottish hillside.

Amongst the chapel's dazzling array of ornate carvings, New World plants such as cacti and sweet corn feature prominently. These were unknown in Europe before Columbus' discovery of America in 1492, yet scientists agree that the carvings predate this. Devotees of Rosslyn provocatively assert that America was in fact discovered by a Scotsman - Henry Sinclair of Roslin, grandfather of the chapel's architect. There is a body of evidence backing up this claim that in 1398 Sinclair crossed the Atlantic and landed in an area he named Nova Scotia in honour of his beloved Scotland. Henry Sinclair had strong links with the mysterious group of warrior knights known as the Knights Templar, and it is now known that Columbus sailed under the Templar flag. Did the famous explorer have the benefit of Henry Sinclair's charts when he set sail nearly 100 years later ?

Another mystery is why Rosslyn Chapel was not destroyed by Oliver Cromwell. The Sinclairs were on the the Royalist side and therefore enemies, but though the Roundheads destroyed the nearby Rosslyn Castle, on Cromwell's instructions they did not touch the chapel itself. As a Grand Master mason was he showing respect for the building's many masonic symbols...or was he perhaps privy to its secrets ?

Agnus Dei, the ancient symbol of Christ which was adopted as the seal of the Knights Templar, some of whom lie in full battle armour in Rosslyn's cavernous sealed crypt underneath the chapel. Sir Walter Scott was moved to immortalize them in his poem The Lay of the Last Minstrel, when he wrote of "that chapel proud, where Roslin's chiefs uncoffined lie".

To appreciate Rosslyn fully you have to know about the Templars, who were the architects and its inspiration. Named after the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem and formed in the 12th century, allegedly to protect pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land. *(it is now known that one of the knights swore allegiance to the Order twenty years prior to the popular date quoted of 1118 as being the year the Order was formed - it is also accepted that the 'families' forming this Order were the instigators of the original formation of the Crusades in 1095 - one theory taking credence is that the 'Rex Deus' families used this as an opportunity to regain their 'inheritance' that their forbears had secreted under the Temple in its vast caverns prior to the ransacking by the Romans in AD70. ......)*

Many claim that their true purpose was to excavate the foundations of the Temple of Jerusalem to look for certain 'treasures and knowledge'. Fueling the suspicion that they must have found something, the Templars soon became incredibly rich and powerful. Those who speculate that their 'treasure' lies somewhere in Rosslyn Chapel's vast crypt support their claim by pointing out that the floor plan is an exact scale replica of the floor plan of Herod's Temple.

So powerful did the Templars become that soon they presented a threat to both church and state. On Friday October 13th, 1307, King Phillippe IV of France - with the blessing of the Pope (who was under his control) - rounded up all known Templars. Accused of blasphemy and heresy, they were tortured and burned at the stake. Not all the Templars died. Their fleet stationed at La Rochelle escaped - many to the west coast of Scotland, where they were guaranteed safe haven since Robert the Bruce had himself been excommunicated. These warrior monks were literally the cavalry who rode in and turned the Battle of Bannockburn in Bruce's favour guaranteeing victory and independence for Scotland.

It was William Sinclair, Henry's grandson, who in 1446 started work on Rosslyn Chapel, employing the best stonemasons in Europe. The resulting extravaganza of Christian, Pre-Christian, pagan and Arabic symbolism has been described as the greatest example of medieval architecture in Britain. One of the chapel's most remarkable features is the Apprentice Pillar, symbolic of the Tree of Life, with luxuriant carvings snaking down its length. Look closely - around its base are eight winged serpents which have eaten evil's forbidden fruit. Those coiling spirals which wrap themselves around the pillar's Tree of Life are suddenly revealed as a perfect double helix - the fundamental DNA building block of life. When the pillar was carved the meaning of the double helix wasn't to be discovered for another 500 years.
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Re: Corn Conspiracy (There Was Corn In Babylon 4,000 Years Ago)
A lot of new world foods received old world names that had fallen out of use.

Original definitions


"Corn" meant "Grain"

"Potato" meant "Yam"



Colonists would often give strange new foods names like


"Indian corn" ...eventually shortened to just "Corn"

"Bastard Potatoes" .....Shortened to "Potato"
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Re: Corn Conspiracy (There Was Corn In Babylon 4,000 Years Ago)
The Philistines worshiped Dagon and it was to his temple that they brought the captured arc.

(1 Sam. 5:1-6). At Ashdod it was placed in the temple of Dagon. The next morning Dagon was found prostrate, bowed down, before it; and on being restored to his place, he was on the following morning again found prostrate and broken. The people of Ashdod were smitten with boils; a plague of mice was sent over the land (1 Sam. 6:5). The affliction of boils was also visited upon the people of Gath and of Ekron, whither the Ark was successively removed (1 Sam. 5:8-12).


This Dagon is a very minor god compared to Enlil and there are no myth, poem, or stellas accordin him much as compared to the Lord of Command.

Heck Hammurabi in 1759 destroyed this city. Come back O Dagon com back O Dagon lol even Inanna was over him.

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Re: Corn Conspiracy (There Was Corn In Babylon 4,000 Years Ago)
corn mutated into existance approximately 12000 BCE

in north america.

Last Edited by Dirty Sanchez on 11/12/2009 11:03 PM