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Anonymous Coward User ID: 825125 United Kingdom 11/23/2009 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is well-established that the symptoms of MS are caused by a breakdown of myelin, a fatty substance that coats nerve cells and plays a crucial role in transmitting messages to the central nervous system. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825069Fish oil protects against this. |
9teen.47™ User ID: 825109 United Kingdom 11/23/2009 06:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well let's hope that he is onto something. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
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Hiram User ID: 790024 United States 11/23/2009 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when this phenomenon might play a role in nervous system damage seen in MS, and at the present time there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this phenomenon is the cause of MS,” said the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825069The U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication. Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 825475 United States 11/23/2009 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when ... Quoting: Hiram 790024And please pay your next five years dues as soon as possible!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 825475 United States 11/23/2009 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Quoting: Hiram 790024So this joker has a cure for MS! WTF do we do now? God don't tell me I got to get a real job and do something! How about he gets in a car wreck? Too drastic? Well lets see how about he loses his vision? And voice; and ability to write. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 825523 United Kingdom 11/24/2009 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Quoting: Hiram 790024Likes all groups, individuals in power will see anything that could see their flock disbanded as a threat and attempt to destroy it. |
Debaser User ID: 818118 Canada 11/24/2009 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when this phenomenon might play a role in nervous system damage seen in MS, and at the present time there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this phenomenon is the cause of MS,” said the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. The U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication. Typical Big Pharma...don't get cured keep buying pills! Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 645848 United States 11/24/2009 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More info about MS and the procedures to enable people to get off the meds here: [link to www.metafilter.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2963 Canada 11/24/2009 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825475So this joker has a cure for MS! WTF do we do now? God don't tell me I got to get a real job and do something! How about he gets in a car wreck? Too drastic? Well lets see how about he loses his vision? And voice; and ability to write. He saved his son's life, but unfortunately it was too late to prevent irreversible damage and his son was permanently disabled. |
ShadowDancer User ID: 287857 United States 11/24/2009 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excellent Top notch ************************************ fortitudo et spes ************************************ When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has. Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator +++++++++++++++ "Ego et Dominus sumus amici" +++++++++++++++ Ego et mea umbra +++++++++++++++ 'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’ - U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Realeyesrealizereallies. C. Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27) Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2) Thread: I Do Not Consent Thread: FOOD Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35) Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10) Thread: Destination Maccabees Thread: Let's Play a GAME Thread: Throat Singing |
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Kat Mama User ID: 826361 United States 11/24/2009 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2963So this joker has a cure for MS! WTF do we do now? God don't tell me I got to get a real job and do something! How about he gets in a car wreck? Too drastic? Well lets see how about he loses his vision? And voice; and ability to write. Don't be too critical of this guy until his claims have been thoroughly tested. Of course, he could be a quack, but did you ever see the movie Lorenzo's Oil? A child had a devastating neurological disease, and his father went against the medical establishment and found a cure. He was considered to be a complete crackpot until it ws proven that his treatment actually worked. He saved his son's life, but unfortunately it was too late to prevent irreversible damage and his son was permanently disabled. This guy's claims HAVE been thoroughly tested and there's no side effects for his cancer and MS cures: [link to gerson.org] There was a pinned thread on this the other day and ever since then and watching the videos, I'm astounded. No gimmick to it, just juicing good, wholesome organic fruits and vegetables. His method has been curing MS, cancer and other "incurable" diseases for decades. There's a clinic in Mexico (because of course, everything here in the USA is Big Pharma bought) and in Czechoslovakia and Japan. CONDEMNATION without INVESTIGATION is the HIGHEST form of IGNORANCE |
The Monk User ID: 515245 United States 11/24/2009 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication." Why am I not surprised about this. Our country is a nation of cattle. Mooooooooo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 508527 United States 11/24/2009 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to tickerforum.org] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825069MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when this phenomenon might play a role in nervous system damage seen in MS, and at the present time there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this phenomenon is the cause of MS,” said the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. The U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication. it's all about the benjamins baby. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 826388 United States 11/24/2009 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Quoting: Kat MamaSo this joker has a cure for MS! WTF do we do now? God don't tell me I got to get a real job and do something! How about he gets in a car wreck? Too drastic? Well lets see how about he loses his vision? And voice; and ability to write. Don't be too critical of this guy until his claims have been thoroughly tested. Of course, he could be a quack, but did you ever see the movie Lorenzo's Oil? A child had a devastating neurological disease, and his father went against the medical establishment and found a cure. He was considered to be a complete crackpot until it ws proven that his treatment actually worked. He saved his son's life, but unfortunately it was too late to prevent irreversible damage and his son was permanently disabled. This guy's claims HAVE been thoroughly tested and there's no side effects for his cancer and MS cures: [link to gerson.org] There was a pinned thread on this the other day and ever since then and watching the videos, I'm astounded. No gimmick to it, just juicing good, wholesome organic fruits and vegetables. His method has been curing MS, cancer and other "incurable" diseases for decades. There's a clinic in Mexico (because of course, everything here in the USA is Big Pharma bought) and in Czechoslovakia and Japan. Fail. Zero evidence that it is effective at all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 826260 United States 11/24/2009 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when this phenomenon might play a role in nervous system damage seen in MS, and at the present time there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this phenomenon is the cause of MS,” said the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. Quoting: DebaserThe U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication. Typical Big Pharma...don't get cured keep buying pills! Indeed. Fuckers all. However, the masses fall lock-step without an ounce of critical thought or questioning and that keeps big pharma going. Dumbasses. Fuckers and dumbasses... Dumbasses and fuckers perpetuate the scam. They deserve each other. Oh, yeah, and a BUMP for knowledge. / |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 118113 United States 11/27/2009 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis By Loz Blain 00:38 November 26, 2009 PST Left: diagram from a medical text showing how MS affects the myelin sheathing of nerves. Right: MS lesions under a microscope. Varicose Vein Treatment - www.VeinClinics.com Treating Varicose Veins Without Surgery for 27 Years. Multiple Sclerosis - www.iwalkbecause.org Help Those Living With MS By Caring, Sharing & Inspiring Others! Decatur Vein Clinic - www.decaturvein.com Eliminate Varicose Veins. Clinics in Indiana and Michigan. Theracycle Bike Therapy - www.Theracycle.com Fight MS with In-Home Exercise Therapy. Free Informational DVD! Ads by GoogleAn Italian doctor has been getting dramatic results with a new type of treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, or MS, which affects up to 2.5 million people worldwide. In an initial study, Dr. Paolo Zamboni took 65 patients with relapsing-remitting MS, performed a simple operation to unblock restricted bloodflow out of the brain - and two years after the surgery, 73% of the patients had no symptoms. Dr. Zamboni's thinking could turn the current understanding of MS on its head, and offer many sufferers a complete cure. Multiple sclerosis, or MS, has long been regarded as a life sentence of debilitating nerve degeneration. More common in females, the disease affects an estimated 2.5 million people around the world, causing physical and mental disabilities that can gradually destroy a patient's quality of life. It's generally accepted that there's no cure for MS, only treatments that mitigate the symptoms - but a new way of looking at the disease has opened the door to a simple treatment that is causing radical improvements in a small sample of sufferers. Italian Dr. Paolo Zamboni has put forward the idea that many types of MS are actually caused by a blockage of the pathways that remove excess iron from the brain - and by simply clearing out a couple of major veins to reopen the blood flow, the root cause of the disease can be eliminated. Dr. Zamboni's revelations came as part of a very personal mission - to cure his wife as she began a downward spiral after diagnosis. Reading everything he could on the subject, Dr. Zamboni found a number of century-old sources citing excess iron as a possible cause of MS. It happened to dovetail with some research he had been doing previously on how a buildup of iron can damage blood vessels in the legs - could it be that a buildup of iron was somehow damaging blood vessels in the brain? He immediately took to the ultrasound machine to see if the idea had any merit - and made a staggering discovery. More than 90% of people with MS have some sort of malformation or blockage in the veins that drain blood from the brain. Including, as it turned out, his wife. He formed a hypothesis on how this could lead to MS: iron builds up in the brain, blocking and damaging these crucial blood vessels. As the vessels rupture, they allow both the iron itself, and immune cells from the bloodstream, to cross the blood-brain barrier into the cerebro-spinal fluid. Once the immune cells have direct access to the immune system, they begin to attack the myelin sheathing of the cerebral nerves - Multiple Sclerosis develops. He named the problem Chronic Cerebro-Spinal Venous Insufficiency, or CCSVI. Zamboni immediately scheduled his wife for a simple operation to unblock the veins - a catheter was threaded up through blood vessels in the groin area, all the way up to the effected area, and then a small balloon was inflated to clear out the blockage. It's a standard and relatively risk-free operation - and the results were immediate. In the three years since the surgery, Dr. Zamboni's wife has not had an attack. Widening out his study, Dr. Zamboni then tried the same operation on a group of 65 MS-sufferers, identifying blood drainage blockages in the brain and unblocking them - and more than 73% of the patients are completely free of the symptoms of MS, two years after the operation. In some cases, a balloon is not enough to fully open the vein channel, which collapses either as soon as the balloon is removed, or sometime later. In these cases, a metal stent can easily be used, which remains in place holding the vein open permanently. Dr. Zamboni's lucky find is yet to be accepted by the medical community, which is traditionally slow to accept revolutionary ideas. Still, most agree that while further study needs to be undertaken before this is looked upon as a cure for MS, the results thus far have been very positive. Naturally, support groups for MS sufferers are buzzing with the news that a simple operation could free patients from what they have always been told would be a lifelong affliction, and further studies are being undertaken by researchers around the world hoping to confirm the link between CCSVI and MS, and open the door for the treatment to become available for sufferers worldwide. It's certainly a very exciting find for MS sufferers, as it represents a possible complete cure, as opposed to an ongoing treatment of symptoms. We wish Dr. Zamboni and the various teams looking further into this issue the best of luck. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 828271 United States 11/27/2009 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MS societies in Canada and the United States, however, have reacted far more cautiously to Dr. Zamboni's conclusion. “Many questions remain about how and when this phenomenon might play a role in nervous system damage seen in MS, and at the present time there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this phenomenon is the cause of MS,” said the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada. Quoting: Hiram 790024The U.S. society goes further, discouraging patients from getting tested or seeking surgical treatment. Rather, it continues to promote drug treatments used to alleviate symptoms, which include corticosteroids, chemotherapy agents and pain medication. Oh, of course. Any society named after a disease in America or Canada, you can bet, will do ANYTHING to make sure that the disease is never cured. Because if the disease was ever cured, it would mean the end of all cash flow for the snake oil peddlers. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 760960 United States 11/29/2009 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is only evidence of relief from the condition. Only time can tell if it is a cure. I doubt that it is. The cause is still unknown. What causes the iron to build up? Until that is known, the condition is likely to return. Vitamin B6 helps the myelin sheath. Aspartame, Glutamate and other poisons in our food all contribute to degenerative diseases. |