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PLEASE! PLEASE! Can you help? Tis for sick Kiddies ...

 
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For the skeptics:

a CD featuring music and a holiday tale that will be distributed to sick children at Children’s Hospital and their siblings.
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You don't have to be sick to get one, if your brother or sister is sick, you can have one too.
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No. Sorry, I gave my 2 cents to the bum on the corner who looked a lot like me.
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Re: PLEASE! PLEASE! Can you help? Tis for sick Kiddies ...
Well I think this guy is giving out the CD...

BUT... it is NOT A CHARITY.... he is just a music production company that is producting the cd and donating the cd to hospital... NOT as a CHARITY but as him self.,

If you read the letter it is all about him... not the community effort that supports it.

I do not think it is proper to give donations that are not going to a Non-Profit...

WHY... accountability. The money is NOT going to CHARITY so it can not be TAX Deducted... the money is going to a guy who produced the cd.. and by the way .. the CD's have also been sold on the internet.

His blog says... We suggest $20 donation... but you can not call it a DONATION if he is NOT a Charity... you are just giving the guy some money... to help him do this project.

So.. if you wish.... just do it... but realize it will NOT be tax deductable... that is all I can say about it.

Truly if he has been doing this for 4 years.. one must question WHY he has not properly set his up as a CHARITY.

That is the RUB... he TALKS about GIVING and CHARITY... but it is ALL to his Production Company. It cost less that $500.00 to set up a charity... just do it legally and be accountable with the donations.

The end.
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Well I think this guy is giving out the CD...

BUT... it is NOT A CHARITY.... he is just a music production company that is producting the cd and donating the cd to hospital... NOT as a CHARITY but as him self.,

If you read the letter it is all about him... not the community effort that supports it.

I do not think it is proper to give donations that are not going to a Non-Profit...

WHY... accountability. The money is NOT going to CHARITY so it can not be TAX Deducted... the money is going to a guy who produced the cd.. and by the way .. the CD's have also been sold on the internet.

His blog says... We suggest $20 donation... but you can not call it a DONATION if he is NOT a Charity... you are just giving the guy some money... to help him do this project.

So.. if you wish.... just do it... but realize it will NOT be tax deductable... that is all I can say about it.

Truly if he has been doing this for 4 years.. one must question WHY he has not properly set his up as a CHARITY.

That is the RUB... he TALKS about GIVING and CHARITY... but it is ALL to his Production Company. It cost less that $500.00 to set up a charity... just do it legally and be accountable with the donations.

The end.
 Quoting: Smiles99
You are really startin to come across as a total hater. If it's not your bag then dont worry about it. As well I am sure the kids that got the CD find them better then the bag of nothing you gave em.
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Not really... INFORMATION IS POWER.... this post was MIS-REPRESENTED as a CHARITY.....

The first post STATED..... Not for me, but for a charity that makes and distributes Holiday CD's to sick children in hospitals throughout the states.



That statement was Mis-Represented.. because there is NO CHARITY....

The productions company is NOT A CHARITY... it is a business.

That is the truth. Do as you will with knowing the TRUTH... not mis-information.

Well I think this guy is giving out the CD...

BUT... it is NOT A CHARITY.... he is just a music production company that is producting the cd and donating the cd to hospital... NOT as a CHARITY but as him self.,

If you read the letter it is all about him... not the community effort that supports it.

I do not think it is proper to give donations that are not going to a Non-Profit...

WHY... accountability. The money is NOT going to CHARITY so it can not be TAX Deducted... the money is going to a guy who produced the cd.. and by the way .. the CD's have also been sold on the internet.

His blog says... We suggest $20 donation... but you can not call it a DONATION if he is NOT a Charity... you are just giving the guy some money... to help him do this project.

So.. if you wish.... just do it... but realize it will NOT be tax deductable... that is all I can say about it.

Truly if he has been doing this for 4 years.. one must question WHY he has not properly set his up as a CHARITY.

That is the RUB... he TALKS about GIVING and CHARITY... but it is ALL to his Production Company. It cost less that $500.00 to set up a charity... just do it legally and be accountable with the donations.

The end.
You are really startin to come across as a total hater. If it's not your bag then dont worry about it. As well I am sure the kids that got the CD find them better then the bag of nothing you gave em.
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Well I think this guy is giving out the CD...

BUT... it is NOT A CHARITY.... he is just a music production company that is producting the cd and donating the cd to hospital... NOT as a CHARITY but as him self.,

If you read the letter it is all about him... not the community effort that supports it.

I do not think it is proper to give donations that are not going to a Non-Profit...

WHY... accountability. The money is NOT going to CHARITY so it can not be TAX Deducted... the money is going to a guy who produced the cd.. and by the way .. the CD's have also been sold on the internet.

His blog says... We suggest $20 donation... but you can not call it a DONATION if he is NOT a Charity... you are just giving the guy some money... to help him do this project.

So.. if you wish.... just do it... but realize it will NOT be tax deductable... that is all I can say about it.

Truly if he has been doing this for 4 years.. one must question WHY he has not properly set his up as a CHARITY.

That is the RUB... he TALKS about GIVING and CHARITY... but it is ALL to his Production Company. It cost less that $500.00 to set up a charity... just do it legally and be accountable with the donations.

The end.
 Quoting: Smiles99


He's operating his 'charity' out of his place of regular business. Conflict of interest. What about the books, auditing?

"IF" he delivered the CDs, it begs the question: did he make a profit on them? From what others are saying it looks rather profitable to me for Gelder. And, this 'appeal' is being pitched all over the internet.
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The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.

To everyone trying to debunk these white knights: get off your high horses.
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The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.

To everyone trying to debunk these white knights: get off your high horses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829886

No one is being forced to give a dime the the one person that seems to care the most is someone that has already claimed that they have a charity yet they made no mention of what they did and where. Now if they want to supply their 990 we can judge them too.


Here is a challenge find me one other producer that is giving away CD's to anyone let alone kids in a hospital and doing it for 3 bucks a unit out the door. As well, I am sure there is some other thread where you can go get your hate on so why not consider you duty to protect kids from getting any joy what so every while in a hospital accomplished.
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The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.

To everyone trying to debunk these white knights: get off your high horses.

No one is being forced to give a dime the the one person that seems to care the most is someone that has already claimed that they have a charity yet they made no mention of what they did and where. Now if they want to supply their 990 we can judge them too.


Here is a challenge find me one other producer that is giving away CD's to anyone let alone kids in a hospital and doing it for 3 bucks a unit out the door. As well, I am sure there is some other thread where you can go get your hate on so why not consider you duty to protect kids from getting any joy what so every while in a hospital accomplished.
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Did YOU give money to this?
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Typical...kill the messenger to cover up for the mis-representaion that it is a CHARITY... this is why Bernie Madoff was able to continue to steal from others... it is easy to KEEP QUIET and be a SHEEP....

Easily led people are a dime a dozen.

I am not ASKING for MONEY ... I don't need to prove anything.

The person who posted this STATED it was a CHARITY FOR KIDS... that was a lie.
Period.. end of story.

No... I will NOT SHUT UP.
The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.

To everyone trying to debunk these white knights: get off your high horses.

No one is being forced to give a dime the the one person that seems to care the most is someone that has already claimed that they have a charity yet they made no mention of what they did and where. Now if they want to supply their 990 we can judge them too.


Here is a challenge find me one other producer that is giving away CD's to anyone let alone kids in a hospital and doing it for 3 bucks a unit out the door. As well, I am sure there is some other thread where you can go get your hate on so why not consider you duty to protect kids from getting any joy what so every while in a hospital accomplished.
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No one is being forced to give a dime the the one person that seems to care the most is someone that has already claimed that they have a charity yet they made no mention of what they did and where. Now if they want to supply their 990 we can judge them too.

 Quoting: Enlilson


That person doesn't have to supply their 990 as he/she isn't on here ASKING for peoples' MONEY.

So let's see Mr. Gelder's 990.
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I self producted training videos at $1.00 out the door. you can purchase BIG QUANITIES of CD very cheap.. .25 cents each cd... you already said the work was VOLUNTEERS... so now are you changing the story.

The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.
Here is a challenge find me one other producer that is giving away CD's to anyone let alone kids in a hospital and doing it for 3 bucks a unit out the door. As well, I am sure there is some other thread where you can go get your hate on so why not consider you duty to protect kids from getting any joy what so every while in a hospital accomplished.


Did YOU give money to this?
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Well I think this guy is giving out the CD...

BUT... it is NOT A CHARITY.... he is just a music production company that is producting the cd and donating the cd to hospital... NOT as a CHARITY but as him self.,

If you read the letter it is all about him... not the community effort that supports it.

I do not think it is proper to give donations that are not going to a Non-Profit...

WHY... accountability. The money is NOT going to CHARITY so it can not be TAX Deducted... the money is going to a guy who produced the cd.. and by the way .. the CD's have also been sold on the internet.

His blog says... We suggest $20 donation... but you can not call it a DONATION if he is NOT a Charity... you are just giving the guy some money... to help him do this project.

So.. if you wish.... just do it... but realize it will NOT be tax deductable... that is all I can say about it.

Truly if he has been doing this for 4 years.. one must question WHY he has not properly set his up as a CHARITY.

That is the RUB... he TALKS about GIVING and CHARITY... but it is ALL to his Production Company. It cost less that $500.00 to set up a charity... just do it legally and be accountable with the donations.

The end.
 Quoting: Smiles99



You make a good point.

I think in these hard times, more and more people will be looking to scams, using kids or abused animals as the sympathy card to get others to open their wallets.

Nice sleuthing, GLP. I'm glad there are people who do their research.
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Here's a tip for the more trusting:

Watch for the hook. There are several in this pitch.

One is the suggestion of a bleak Christmas for hospitalized children. I've worked for a couple of hospitals and they bend over backwards at holidays to comfort their patients. Even though they are having to work on the holiday, fer cris' sakes. Sometimes teaching a kid some positivity in the face of hardship's not such a bad thing. It does suck to be hospitalized or very ill. It's how life goes.

The "magical" presentation is another hook. Paints a jolly picture, doesn't it? Marketing to your imagination.

Another hook, and probably the most appealing? The stroking of your latent talents and abilities. Remember those old magazine ads? They asked you to duplicate a picture and send it in. Regardless of how shoddy a job you did you'd receive a letter praising your effort and telling you for a fee they would help you develop that marvelous hidden talent potential.

Ego stroking is the best hook at all.

And I haven't even mentioned the implied guilting which most people of Northern European descent will jump at. Many of us still have White Guilt lurking in our psyches.

(Again, no personal insult to the OP. Just talking about how I saw the presentation.)
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Aussie would be: How ya goooooooiiiiiinnnnn? Give us some fish and cheeps thanks mate!!



1rof1 I would love to hear you voice those! Very funny, thanks for the laughs.
 Quoting: ~Moi~


Thank you ever so kindly, I am glad I made you laugh and (hopefully) brightened your day!! :)
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What's Required?

Please submit a song, story, riddle or rhyme, anything that welcomes Holiday time.
Make it less than four minutes, and please send it on CD.
Character voices are encouraged.
All entries must be complete and fully recorded for use.

The top 15-20 will be selected based on creativity, generosity and theme and will receive artist exposure, be included on the CD with acknowledgements, be mailed a copy of the CD and receive the:

~ GelderHead Award of Excellence for Creativity and Generosity ~



read how he puts this together and figure out what he is doing.
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Madoof got away with it becaz people are greedy and they wanted a return on their money.

Considerin that the OP had the approval of the site owner before it was even posted to call it a scam is when you have no proof that it is anythang other then someone using a business to help out

She gave a link and if you like what you see make a donation if you dont like dont make one. I

As far as kill the messenger I am taking the same liberties on you as you have on the OP and this project. If you dont like then crawl back in your bleak hate filled hole.




Typical...kill the messenger to cover up for the mis-representaion that it is a CHARITY... this is why Bernie Madoff was able to continue to steal from others... it is easy to KEEP QUIET and be a SHEEP....

Easily led people are a dime a dozen.

I am not ASKING for MONEY ... I don't need to prove anything.

The person who posted this STATED it was a CHARITY FOR KIDS... that was a lie.
Period.. end of story.

No... I will NOT SHUT UP.

The people that are exposing this as the scam it is are doing the right thing, that is, protecting easily manipulated people from thieves and crooks.

To everyone trying to debunk these white knights: get off your high horses.

No one is being forced to give a dime the the one person that seems to care the most is someone that has already claimed that they have a charity yet they made no mention of what they did and where. Now if they want to supply their 990 we can judge them too.


Here is a challenge find me one other producer that is giving away CD's to anyone let alone kids in a hospital and doing it for 3 bucks a unit out the door. As well, I am sure there is some other thread where you can go get your hate on so why not consider you duty to protect kids from getting any joy what so every while in a hospital accomplished.

 Quoting: Smiles99

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At least this guy doesn't have a team of phone jockeys calling your house at 6 pm every night, begging for money.

I think the money could be used for something not so frivolous as an amatuer CD. How about some REAL help?

Ever get a call from the Police Protection Society (or wtf-ever)...they try to sucker you into giving money to supplement police widow's income, buy teddy bears for cop's kids, send care packages to military widows... the list goes on.

They called me so often, were pushy and laid on the guilt like you wouldn't believe. So I researched them. They give less than 10% for the 'charity' they claim to represent. The other 90% goes to pay the solicitors and the PPS group traces back to Lebanon.

WTF??

Next call I got, I confronted with the gathered info.

'Lebanon, hahaha... so I'll be putting you down for a $75 donation, due by the end of the month.'


Guilt... that seems to be the basis for all 'charities'.

And I do resent being manipulated by guilt, whether it's a phone call to my home or a thread on GLP.
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Faame i wanna live forever nahnah
Just rember my name nahah and forget the rest laaala
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hf
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When we donate to a charity, or any charitable cause, we have no real way of knowing exactly what is done with the money. Ever seen one of those air-conditioned rock star cruise liner buses the Red Cross show's up in to a disaster? Wonder how many didn't realize that their much needed contribution was paying for such an eyesore.

I doubt many of you who give ever demand to know exactly where your donation went and how it was dispersed. When we give to charity or tithe to our churches we really have to trust that some good will be done.

America is a very charitable nation. If you choose to give you can if you don't want to then don't.

OP was just trying to do a good thing.


hf
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When we donate to a charity, or any charitable cause, we have no real way of knowing exactly what is done with the money. Ever seen one of those air-conditioned rock star cruise liner buses the Red Cross show's up in to a disaster? Wonder how many didn't realize that their much needed contribution was paying for such an eyesore.

I doubt many of you who give ever demand to know exactly where your donation went and how it was dispersed. When we give to charity or tithe to our churches we really have to trust that some good will be done.

America is a very charitable nation. If you choose to give you can if you don't want to then don't.

OP was just trying to do a good thing.


hf
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yep

and a bump for a good cause
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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Humane Society is a major offender. Do the research.

I used to donate a modest amount once a year. But they flooded me with cheap "gifts." Even spelled my name wrong on the darned things!

I told them I would continue to donate but they shouldn't send me stuff, just use the money for the creatures. They continued to send me useless presents.

One day they sent me a photo of an abused dawg. Talk about preying on your guilt! And that was the final straw. Porno of the worst possible kind. A picture I didn't need to see.

I started to look into how much of their donations went into animal care.

Now I donate to the local animal shelter instead. And when it's kitten season I go down and help "socialize" the little fuzzballs. Lots more useful I think. And fun.





GLP