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~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To those who think this is a scam, you are entitled to think what you want.. and to those who choose to criticize my voice... When you make what I do for a drop, then come back and tell me again! Also, I am a New Zealander, not American or British... and IN HOSPITAL is acceptable grammar. Cheers Everyone! "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to cast scorn on the OP's request, but here's my personal take on charity. Quoting: My Take 673609There is something quick, emotionally safe and expedient about sending off a few bucks and telling yourself you have done something good for somebody over the holidays. As some here mention, you don't know whether you actually have or not. But it's a "cheap" way to ease your conscience. If you really do care and want to make a difference, start with the people who live near you. If everyone improved the spot they were in things could gradually improved socially. This is truly giving because it requires a commitment from your body, time and mind and not just from your pocket book. Go to an orphanage. Or a hospital. Or care center. Check with staff to find out who needs cheering up or doesn't get visitors. Take small gifts and visit people individually. Sit with them and talk or play a game. Do I practice what I preach? Damn betcha. The results of your efforts are a gift back to you as well and you don't have to worry about whether you've been taken advantage of. Two gifts in one package. Yes, you do make some very good points..however; for some it is the only way they can contribute, perhaps due to health, lack of transport... or whatever, so I do not think you can make a blanket statement like that For me, I not only put my money where my mouth is... but also use my mouth as well, as one of the contributors to the cd. Writing and voicing the ad that is currently playing around the country. Good for you that you put your money where your mouth is as well, if we all did that.. (to use a well used phrase) what a wonderful world this would be! ps... thanks for the pin! Last Edited by ~Moi~ on 11/29/2009 02:12 PM "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This IS obviously from a Brit as they say "in hospital" NOT in THE hospital ! Quoting: Concerned Citizen 822411Idea is OK, but one wonders if ANY of these CDs would ever see the USA side of the pond ? Read the links darling! This is totally USA based, for US hospitals. I am however starting it in my home country for next christmas, using NZ talent. "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804460 United States 11/29/2009 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This IS obviously from a Brit as they say "in hospital" NOT in THE hospital ! Quoting: ~Moi~Idea is OK, but one wonders if ANY of these CDs would ever see the USA side of the pond ? Read the links darling! This is totally USA based, for US hospitals. I am however starting it in my home country for next christmas, using NZ talent. NZ & voice acting??? Bwahahahahahaha I'll have sux pax of fush and chups thanks brrrrrrrrrrrrroooooo!! |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NZ & voice acting??? Bwahahahahahaha Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804460I'll have sux pax of fush and chups thanks brrrrrrrrrrrrroooooo!! I think you have the kiwi accent confused with the aussie one...Nice try though! "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do any of you out there really think that "Children's Hospitals" DON'T have: Books, tapes, CDs, coloring books, music, crayons, toys and myriad other things to keep the children occupied????? They already have these things. This thread makes you think that children in the hospitals will be "stuck" there with no entertainment. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you want to give these ripoff 'artists' your $3.00, go ahead. BTW, this CD by Jeff Gelder is being hawked all over the internet. Tons of sites have him asking for donations. "Holiday Magic" and "sick kiddies", indeed.... Beware. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829784 United States 11/29/2009 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One. How do I know if the money I may give will actually go towards this project? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746732Two. Who is in charge of this project? Three. How can you presume to know that these sick kids actually WANT these discs, and the crappy homemade musicals that come with them? What if the potential crap factor will lead to their death? Would we be liable? We're only talking about $3.00....barely enough to buy a big mac...or a gallon of gas... It's not like asking to fund a stimulus bill...just a miserly $3.00...3 chlorophyll Georges...3 smackaroos... No strings attached if you donate anonymously... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One. How do I know if the money I may give will actually go towards this project? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829784Two. Who is in charge of this project? Three. How can you presume to know that these sick kids actually WANT these discs, and the crappy homemade musicals that come with them? What if the potential crap factor will lead to their death? Would we be liable? We're only talking about $3.00....barely enough to buy a big mac...or a gallon of gas... It's not like asking to fund a stimulus bill...just a miserly $3.00...3 chlorophyll Georges...3 smackaroos... No strings attached if you donate anonymously... "We're" only talking about $3.00. Who is 'we'? Are you in on this? $3.00 times thousands and thousands of people adds up. This is being posted ALL OVER the internet. BTW, I would like OP to give the NAMES and ADDRESSES of the various 'children's hospitals' who have already received CDs in the past from Jeff Gelder. I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: 1) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The more I look into this the more I have my doubts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829707Do any of you out there really think that "Children's Hospitals" DON'T have: Books, tapes, CDs, coloring books, music, crayons, toys and myriad other things to keep the children occupied????? They already have these things. This thread makes you think that children in the hospitals will be "stuck" there with no entertainment. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you want to give these ripoff 'artists' your $3.00, go ahead. BTW, this CD by Jeff Gelder is being hawked all over the internet. Tons of sites have him asking for donations. "Holiday Magic" and "sick kiddies", indeed.... Beware. Of course they have these things.. BUT we are talking about Christmas cheer!.. You know? that much hyped, commercialized thing that you cannot miss from late october to the day after the event (here in the states anyway). Have you ever spent time in hospital, as a patient, in your life? Even at the best of times, it is not a comfortable environment for adults. Increase that discomfort 10 fold for sick kiddies, who are away from their (mostly) safe environment. A place they know, with people they love, in relative comfort. To being in a loud, noisy, busy environment. Mostly in degrees of pain, or discomfort. Often hooked up to who knows what machine...Amongst strangers, however nice they may be. Scared, uncertain, vulnerable! THAT is why this is being done for kiddies. To try and make their christmas as happy and normal as possible. To try and bring them even a momentary distraction from the pain that they may be feeling, be that physical,emotional, or spiritual... If this bothers you so much, then simply ignore the thread. OR do your research! This is a totally legitimate charity. Last Edited by ~Moi~ on 11/29/2009 02:57 PM "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THAT is why this is being done for kiddies. To try and make their christmas as happy and normal as possible. To try and bring them even a momentary distraction from the pain that they may be feeling, be that physical,emotional, or spiritual... Quoting: ~Moi~If this bothers you so much, then simply ignore the thread. OR do your research! This is a totally legitimate charity. Why? Because YOU say so?? I AM doing my research. I asked YOU for the names and addresses of the children's hospitals who have received Jeff Gelder's CDs in the past. What are they? Waiting. |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8297071) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829784 United States 11/29/2009 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the skeptics: GelderHead Productions, offering professional voice-over services to enhance business communications, announced today that it is spearheading the continued production of “Holiday Magic © 2009, a Gift for Children of all Ages,” a CD featuring music and a holiday tale that will be distributed to sick children at Children’s Hospital and their siblings. A number of singers and actors donated their talent for the CD, and funds are currently being solicited to cover the cost of production and ensure as many children as possible receive them. Jeff Gelder, owner of GelderHead Productions, distributed 1500 CD’s to four hospitals in 2007 and 1500 CD’s to eight hospitals in 2008; he hopes to exceed that number this year and plans to “play Santa” in December at Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego. Donations are requested throughout the year. Checks of any denomination should be made out to GelderHead Productions (with Children’s Hospital CD Fund on the memo line) and sent to P.O. Box 3386, San Diego, CA 92163-3386, or donate via Paypal at www.HolidayMagicCD.com and click on “Make a Donation.” [link to archive.sdradio.net] Scroll down 8 page down clicks to get you in the general area. It explains how the cds can be made for $3.00...also explains lack of royalties too. |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THAT is why this is being done for kiddies. To try and make their christmas as happy and normal as possible. To try and bring them even a momentary distraction from the pain that they may be feeling, be that physical,emotional, or spiritual... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829707If this bothers you so much, then simply ignore the thread. OR do your research! This is a totally legitimate charity. Why? Because YOU say so?? I AM doing my research. I asked YOU for the names and addresses of the children's hospitals who have received Jeff Gelder's CDs in the past. What are they? Waiting. Research means just that. Get off your arse and look up the links yourself.. oh excuse me, I guess you like to be spoon fed... Anonymous Coward User ID: 828271 11/29/2009 8:21 AM Re: PLEASE! PLEASE! Can you help? Tis for sick Kiddies ... Quote Before giving your money to anyone, check them out first. I've found the easiest way to do this is by googling the website name, followed by the word 'scam'. [link to www.google.com] If there's a complaint against them, it usually turns up. Then, if you're really the suspicious type, you can research the name and find out who owns it. Betterwhois query: holidaymagiccd.com [link to www.betterwhois.com] Which turns out to be GelderHead Productions [link to www.gelderhead.com] a voice over outfit in San Diego. No complaints, and a real person at the other end. Looks legit to me. And a worthy cause too. "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the skeptics: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829784GelderHead Productions, offering professional voice-over services to enhance business communications, announced today that it is spearheading the continued production of “Holiday Magic © 2009, a Gift for Children of all Ages,” a CD featuring music and a holiday tale that will be distributed to sick children at Children’s Hospital and their siblings. A number of singers and actors donated their talent for the CD, and funds are currently being solicited to cover the cost of production and ensure as many children as possible receive them. Jeff Gelder, owner of GelderHead Productions, distributed 1500 CD’s to four hospitals in 2007 and 1500 CD’s to eight hospitals in 2008; he hopes to exceed that number this year and plans to “play Santa” in December at Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego. Donations are requested throughout the year. Checks of any denomination should be made out to GelderHead Productions (with Children’s Hospital CD Fund on the memo line) and sent to P.O. Box 3386, San Diego, CA 92163-3386, or donate via Paypal at www.HolidayMagicCD.com and click on “Make a Donation.” [link to archive.sdradio.net] Scroll down 8 page down clicks to get you in the general area. It explains how the cds can be made for $3.00...also explains lack of royalties too. Thank you so much ac "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Hillcrest User ID: 392015 United States 11/29/2009 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever spent time in hospital, as a patient, in your life? Quoting: ~Moi~Even at the best of times, it is not a comfortable environment for adults. Increase that discomfort 10 fold for sick kiddies, who are away from their (mostly) safe environment. A place they know, with people they love, in relative comfort. To being in a loud, noisy, busy environment. Mostly in degrees of pain, or discomfort. Often hooked up to who knows what machine...Amongst strangers, however nice they may be. Scared, uncertain, vulnerable! oh come on... now you're just trying to lay a guilt trip on us. the thread is pinned... many have responded favorably and made donations... just let it be. Water always wins. :sun: |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever spent time in hospital, as a patient, in your life? Quoting: HillcrestEven at the best of times, it is not a comfortable environment for adults. Increase that discomfort 10 fold for sick kiddies, who are away from their (mostly) safe environment. A place they know, with people they love, in relative comfort. To being in a loud, noisy, busy environment. Mostly in degrees of pain, or discomfort. Often hooked up to who knows what machine...Amongst strangers, however nice they may be. Scared, uncertain, vulnerable! oh come on... now you're just trying to lay a guilt trip on us. the thread is pinned... many have responded favorably and made donations... just let it be. Hillcrest I apologize if I have offended you. I was responding to a specific post by an ac, and it was aimed at that ac. And it was only part of my response Last Edited by ~Moi~ on 11/29/2009 03:07 PM "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: ~Moi~1) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! Just as I thought...you can't give the names of the hospitals who received the CDs. Because they never did.... SCAM !! You are a bunch of 'professional' con artists. Period. |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8297071) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! Just as I thought...you can't give the names of the hospitals who received the CDs. Because they never did.... SCAM !! You are a bunch of 'professional' con artists. Period. I am not doing your legwork for you ac.. you are merely a troll looking for a fight. You have had more than enough of my energy. Either donate, or don't. Simple as that! I am not responding to you anymore. "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829784 United States 11/29/2009 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8297071) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! Just as I thought...you can't give the names of the hospitals who received the CDs. Because they never did.... SCAM !! You are a bunch of 'professional' con artists. Period. lighten up, AC. Otherwise, there might be a lump of coal in your stocking this year. Scrooge! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: ~Moi~1) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! Just as I thought...you can't give the names of the hospitals who received the CDs. Because they never did.... SCAM !! You are a bunch of 'professional' con artists. Period. I am not doing your legwork for you ac.. you are merely a troll looking for a fight. You have had more than enough of my energy. Either donate, or don't. Simple as that! I am not responding to you anymore. You are not going to do "MY" legwork???? YOU are the one asking people for money on this forum, not me. Since Jeff Gelder gave CDs to under 10 hospitals so far...I don't think it would be too difficult for you to TELL us who and where they ARE. Hint: it's not on his website. You and your ac shill comrade are pathetic. Anyone who donated anything to you creeps is a fool. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829784 United States 11/29/2009 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I intend to call each hospital and find out if they: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8297071) received the CDs 2) what quality are they? 3) did they need them in the first place Waiting to hear from OP. 1)Feel free ac to visit the wehsite and see the names of some of the hospitals involved... see the pics.. and by all means ring some of the hospitals mentioned.. Once you are satisfied that this is all legit, are you then going to donate? Or are you simply blowing hot air? Money where your mouth is. 2) These are professionally recorded and produced cds.. by professional artists who do this for a living. This is not something you might create while living in your mother's basement (no insult intended to those who do) 3)...read the post above! Just as I thought...you can't give the names of the hospitals who received the CDs. Because they never did.... SCAM !! You are a bunch of 'professional' con artists. Period. Last year 1500 copies of the CD were delivered to Children's Hospitals in 8 cities in the U.S. that were thrilled to have the recordings to distribute to their patients, including San Diego, Orange County, Milwaukee, New York, Miami, New Orleans, Houston and Albuquerque for the children spending their holidays in the hospital, and their siblings. [link to www.blogcatalog.com] Now all you have to do is check all the hospitals in those areas to see who got those CDs and report back to us. You want us to wipe your ass too? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804460 United States 11/29/2009 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NZ & voice acting??? Bwahahahahahaha Quoting: ~Moi~I'll have sux pax of fush and chups thanks brrrrrrrrrrrrroooooo!! I think you have the kiwi accent confused with the aussie one...Nice try though! Aussie would be: How ya goooooooiiiiiinnnnn? Give us some fish and cheeps thanks mate!! |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aussie would be: How ya goooooooiiiiiinnnnn? Give us some fish and cheeps thanks mate!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804460I would love to hear you voice those! Very funny, thanks for the laughs. "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829707 Switzerland 11/29/2009 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last year 1500 copies of the CD were delivered to Children's Hospitals in 8 cities in the U.S. that were thrilled to have the recordings to distribute to their patients, including San Diego, Orange County, Milwaukee, New York, Miami, New Orleans, Houston and Albuquerque for the children spending their holidays in the hospital, and their siblings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829784[link to www.blogcatalog.com] Now all you have to do is check all the hospitals in those areas to see who got those CDs and report back to us. You want us to wipe your ass too? Wow, what a lovely charity! When asked for names and addresses who received Jeff Gelder Holiday Magic CDs, you give a link to a marketing bullshit 'blog'. The NAMES and ADDRESSES of the hospitals are what is required. Not a link to a marketing BLOG. Telling me about a hospital in "Milwaukee", or any city, is no information, as you well know. BTW, go wipe your own ass. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 829883 Australia 11/29/2009 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NZ & voice acting??? Bwahahahahahaha Quoting: ~Moi~I'll have sux pax of fush and chups thanks brrrrrrrrrrrrroooooo!! I think you have the kiwi accent confused with the aussie one...Nice try though! Lol, oh c'mon! I'm an aussie and I KNOW that's the classic piss-take on a kiwi accent. The "bro" on the end just seals it - why would you deny it otherwise :D I clicked on the ad and I knew you were a kiwi lady. Nice what you're doing btw but let's get it straight, us Aussies never talk like that and that's how we send up the Kiwis. :D :D |
~Moi~ (OP) User ID: 436491 United States 11/29/2009 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NZ & voice acting??? Bwahahahahahaha Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829883I'll have sux pax of fush and chups thanks brrrrrrrrrrrrroooooo!! I think you have the kiwi accent confused with the aussie one...Nice try though! Lol, oh c'mon! I'm an aussie and I KNOW that's the classic piss-take on a kiwi accent. The "bro" on the end just seals it - why would you deny it otherwise :D I clicked on the ad and I knew you were a kiwi lady. Nice what you're doing btw but let's get it straight, us Aussies never talk like that and that's how we send up the Kiwis. :D :D haha.. I figured you had to be an aussie... Peace mate! I'm off to do some work in the real world... ah sux, but gotta pay hubby's chemo bills. "I saw an angel in the marble and carved until I set him free" ~ Michelangelo |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 829784 United States 11/29/2009 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last year 1500 copies of the CD were delivered to Children's Hospitals in 8 cities in the U.S. that were thrilled to have the recordings to distribute to their patients, including San Diego, Orange County, Milwaukee, New York, Miami, New Orleans, Houston and Albuquerque for the children spending their holidays in the hospital, and their siblings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 829707[link to www.blogcatalog.com] Now all you have to do is check all the hospitals in those areas to see who got those CDs and report back to us. You want us to wipe your ass too? Wow, what a lovely charity! When asked for names and addresses who received Jeff Gelder Holiday Magic CDs, you give a link to a marketing bullshit 'blog'. The NAMES and ADDRESSES of the hospitals are what is required. Not a link to a marketing BLOG. Telling me about a hospital in "Milwaukee", or any city, is no information, as you well know. BTW, go wipe your own ass. Just stop bitching and get off your lazy ass and get the information yourself. Otherwise, fuck off if you don't like this thread and expect everything to be handed to you. No matter what anybody says to prove the validity of this charity, you're the type who won't give anyway. |