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Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!

 
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Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq
Monday 14 December 2009

by: Dahr Jamail, t r u t h o u t | Report




In response to President Barack Obama's announcement on December 1 to deploy 30,000 additional troops to the occupation of Afghanistan, the organization March Forward!, comprising both veterans and active-duty members of the US military, has called on all soldiers to refuse their orders to deploy.

"March Forward! calls on all service members to refuse orders to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq," reads a press release from the group from December 3. "We offer our unconditional support and solidarity. Join us in the fight to ensure that no more soldiers or civilians lose their lives in these criminal wars."

Michael Prysner, a former corporal in the Army who served from 2001-2005 and a veteran of the occupation of Iraq, co-founded the group with another Iraq war veteran, James Circello.

Truthout asked Prysner how he responds to those who believe a soldier should always follow orders, no matter what.

"In my experience the majority of people joining the military today join out of necessity, like money, jobs, help for their family, etc., so most don't join for ideological or patriotic reasons. Most are driven into the military by economic conditions. We see this playing out now, as people are joining in droves because of the economy."

Prysner added, "Yes, people do sign a contract to follow orders, but those orders are wrong and unlawful. We want to educate people to the fact that these are immoral orders, and they [soldiers] are being used as muscle for corporations, to colonize the developing world, and it's not legitimate. People who join and take this oath seriously who think they are in [the military] to defend the US, this is not what we are being used for in the military today."

Prysner has written about his experience in Iraq, "... there was no computer screen separating me from the suffering civilian population. I spent 12 months in Iraq, doing everything from prisoner interrogations, to ground surveillance missions, to home raids. It was my firsthand experiences in Iraq that radicalized me. I believed I was going to Iraq to help liberate and better the lives of an oppressed people, but I soon realized that my purpose in Iraq was to be the oppressor, and to clear the way for US corporations with no regard for human life."

After he separated from the Army in 2005, Prysner "understood that the occupation I was a part of was a crime against humanity. I understood that illegal conquering of Iraq was for profit, carried out by a system that serves a tiny class of super-rich whose endless drive for wealth is at the expense of working people in the United States and abroad."

According to Prysner, the lessons he learned from being part of the US occupation of Iraq taught him that, "I still had the same drive to fight for freedom, justice and equality as I did when I joined, and I understood that fighting for those things meant fighting against the US government, not on behalf of it."

To those who call him and his organization "anti-American" and/or "unpatriotic," Prysner has this to say:

"I would say that I have more in common with my sisters and brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan than I do with these people in DC who've sent us to war. If that's unpatriotic, then yes, I am. But patriotism and racism are the only things the military has to fall back on to convince people to do the things we are being asked to do today."

March Forward! was founded in 2008, and the aim of the organization is "to unite all those who have served and who currently serve in the US military, and who want to stand up for our rights and for that which is right."

"We are new and growing," Prysner explained. "We have seen somewhat consistent growth, and we're expecting this to accelerate now."

The group's statement from December 3 adds, "On December 1, we got a clear order from President Obama. For many more years, we will be sent to kill, to die, to be maimed and wounded, in a war where 'victory' is impossible, against a people who are not our enemies. For over eight years, we have come home in coffins, in wheelchairs, with our skin burned and with our days and nights haunted by the trauma of war. We return home to a VA whose services are so inadequate that active duty soldiers who succumb to suicide outnumber those killed in combat."

James Circello is a former Army sergeant and veteran of the US occupation of Iraq. Circello, who joined the military in 2001, describes his experience in Iraq as follows:

"During the occupation of Iraq, the truth about what the United States government has done to the country of Iraq became more apparent. Open wastewater flowed through neighborhood streets where children played soccer. Families were thrown out of their homes with simple accusations from others. Vehicles were taken on sight by the military if individuals couldn't provide proper documents claiming they own the vehicle. These events and others helped in strengthening my opposition to the so-called 'War on Terror.'"

In April 2007, Circello left his base in Vicenza, Italy, and went absent without leave (AWOL) in protest of US policy in the Middle East. In November 2007, he turned himself in to the military at Fort Knox and was discharged within three days.

Circello has remained very active with his work against US Foreign Policy, having worked with Iraq Veterans Against the War and the group Courage to Resist before joining March Forward!.

Circello's decision to go AWOL was his way of refusing to deploy to Afghanistan.

I had been fighting myself internally after my time in Iraq, about whether to deploy again," he explained to Truthout, "I ended up back in my old unit that was preparing to deploy, so at that moment I took it into my hands, and decided I wasn't going to go kill Afghans that had done nothing to me, or the American people. It was a defining moment for me."

According to Pentagon figures, since October 2001, more than 50,000 soldiers from all branches of the military have gone AWOL.

John Raughter is the communications director for the American Legion, an organization that describes itself as "a patriotic, war-time veterans organization, devoted to mutual helpfulness," according to its web site.

Raughter is clear about his stance on the rights of soldiers. "We have an all-volunteer force," he explained to Truthout, "These are not draftees. They swore an oath to obey the orders of the Commander in Chief."

According to Raughter, the American Legion does not, in any way, support AWOL soldiers or those who refuse to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan. "Within reason, the military should be able to enforce obedience. Obedience and order are critical for the military to do its mission. People can't pick and choose which orders to obey and which not to [obey]. If it's a lawful order, they are obliged to obey."

Yet the oath enlisted soldiers must take before being deployed, reads:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Marjorie Cohn, president of the National Lawyers Guild, is the co-author of "Rules of Disengagement: The Politics and Honor of Military Dissent" with Kathleen Gilberd. In the book, they write, "Rules of Engagement limit forms of combat, levels of force, and legitimate enemy targets, defining what is legal in warfare and what is not. (They're also) defined by an established body of international (and US) law that leaves no ambiguity."

Cohn and Gilberd argue that every US war since WWII has been illegal. Article 51 of the UN Charter only permits the "right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member ... until the Security Council has taken measures to maintain international peace and security."

In addition, Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 (the war powers clause) of the US Constitution authorizes only both houses of Congress, not the president, to declare war. Nonetheless, that process has been followed only five times in our history and last used on December 8, 1941, after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Nevertheless, Raughter believes soldiers who are dissenting against the occupations should have never joined the ranks. "If they are ethically opposed to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I would say that most of these people have enlisted or reenlisted since the beginning of the war. These wars were occurring when they made this oath of enlistment. It should have come to their minds."

Circello's response to those who refer to their tactic of encouraging soldiers to refuse deployment orders as being "unpatriotic or un-American?

"This is a tactic of demonization and we reject it," he explained, "The corporations profiting in these wars don't care about America or the American people. Is providing mercenaries to kill innocent people overseas, and bombs to kill innocent people, is that American and patriotic? The people who use these terms are demagogues. We can't forget that America was a land of institutionalized slavery, slavery was American, and folks like Dr. Martin Luther King, when they stood up to racism were called un-American ... so the same thing happens today. When you protest war, or call on soldiers to desert based on their own interest, you are called un-American."

Prysner and Circello's organization has stated, "March Forward! supports the right of all service members to refuse illegal and immoral orders. Orders to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq are just that: illegal and immoral. We have no reason to fight in these wars, and we have every right to refuse to be a part of them."
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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..

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Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

aint lookn good. between the oathkeepers and now this; it could be the means to a perfect storm.
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*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be (secure)]

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But we all know the stupid idiots will march off to die on command.

Becuase if they weren't stupid idiots, they never would have joined up in the first place.

I know. I was one of them.
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Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..
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For sure! Just thinking same thing.
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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..

aint lookn good. between the oathkeepers and now this; it could be the means to a perfect storm.
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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..
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Yes it would definitely become civil unrest!
Maybe that is why I saw a posting this morning here about the govie buying many millions of bullets.

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But we all know the stupid idiots will march off to die on command.

Becuase if they weren't stupid idiots, they never would have joined up in the first place.

I know. I was one of them.
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i dunno my friend diane got discharged for refusing men to go
back to iraq/denying soldiers their evals
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The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..

Yes it would definitely become civil unrest!
Maybe that is why I saw a posting this morning here about the govie buying many millions of bullets.
 Quoting: Little Star


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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
Wow...If this thing took off, there would definitely be some civil unrest! Perfect time for martial law?

Good find btw phen..

Yes it would definitely become civil unrest!
Maybe that is why I saw a posting this morning here about the govie buying many millions of bullets.

 Quoting: Little Star

link?
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The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
[link to www.cafepress.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be (secure)]

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Re: Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq !!!!
But we all know the stupid idiots will march off to die on command.

Becuase if they weren't stupid idiots, they never would have joined up in the first place.

I know. I was one of them.

i dunno my friend diane got discharged for refusing men to go
back to iraq/denying soldiers their evals
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Wait and see.

They'll line up and march off like good little robots.

Then 10 or 20 years from now, they'll be sitting in their lazy boys with a bottle of Jack Daniels in their hands thinking to themselves

"What the fuck did I do that for?"





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