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Is The Turin Shroud A Fake?

 
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Is The Turin Shroud A Fake?
An article I stumbled across today poses that very question. You'll have to click on the web link at the bottom of the article to see the pictures.

Burial cloth found in Jerusalem cave casts doubt on authenticity of Turin Shroud

By Matthew Kalman
Last updated at 1:08 AM on 16th December 2009



Archaeologists have discovered the first known burial shroud in Jerusalem from the time of Christ's crucifixion - and say it casts serious doubt on the claimed authenticity of the Turin Shroud.

Ancient shrouds from the period have been found before in the Holy Land, but never in Jerusalem.

Researchers say the weave and design of the shroud discovered in a burial cave near Jerusalem's Old City are completely different to the Turin Shroud.
Jerusalem shroud

Radiocarbon tests and artefacts found in the cave prove almost beyond doubt that it was from the same time of Christ's death.

It was made with a simple two-way weave - not the twill weave used on the Turin Shroud, which textile experts say was introduced more than 1,000 years after Christ lived.

And instead of being a single sheet like the famous item in Turin, the Jerusalem shroud is made up of several sections, with a separate piece for the head.

Professor Shimon Gibson, the archaeologist who discovered the tomb, said ancient writings and contemporary shrouds from other areas had suggested this design, and the Jerusalem shroud finally provided the physical evidence.

The debate over the Turin Shroud will not go away. Last month a Vatican researcher said she had found the words 'Jesus Nazarene' on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body.

Barbara Frale said computer analysis of photographs of the shroud revealed extremely faint words written in Greek, Aramaic and Latin which attested to its authenticity.

But the shroud-wrapped body dated to the time of Christ discovered in Jerusalem seems to point in the opposite direction.

The shroud was found around the remains of a man in a sealed chamber of a burial cave in the Hinnom Valley overlooking the Old City of Jerusalem by archaeologists from the Hebrew University and the Albright Research Institute, both in Jerusalem.

DNA tests indicated the man had suffered from leprosy and died of tuberculosis.

That was probably why his burial cave was sealed - a move that preserved the shroud and even some of the man's hair for 2,000 years.
Turin Shroud

The Turin Shroud, which measures 14ft by 3ft, is unlike the burial practice of the time which used separate sheets for the head and body of the deceased

Jerusalem Old City

Professor Gibson said the Turin Shroud did not fit what was known of burial practices in first-century Palestine - now confirmed by the Jerusalem shroud.

'The Turin shroud is a single sheet made with a twill weave.

'The twill weave is known from this part of the world only from the mediaeval period, so we're talking about something that's from the Middle Ages,' Gibson told the Daily Mail.

'But the Jerusalem shroud confirmed another local practice which casts even more doubt on the Turin artefact.

'It wasn't one continuous sheet,' said Gibson, pointing out the Turin Shroud is a single rectangular sheet measuring about 14ft by 3ft.

'What our shroud shows is that the practice of having a separate shroud or wrapping for the body and for the head was common practice.

'There was a separate wrapping for the head itself, which was very important because when they brought someone to burial they would place the head wrapping separately on the face in case the person wasn't actually dead and woke up again, they would be able to blow off the face wrapping and shout for help,' said Gibson.
Shimon Gibson

'This did occur quite a lot in antiquity because they didn't have the medical means we have today.

'The idea was that if you enshrouded somebody, you had a separate set of wrappings for the body and a separate set of wrappings for the head,' he said.

Ancient rabbinical writings mention people who woke up, apparently miraculously and lived for years afterwards.

It was the custom at the time for the family to visit the tomb after three days to check their relative was indeed dead.

Gibson said this was probably the source of the Gospel story about Jesus's followers visiting his tomb three days after the Crucifixion, when they found it empty.
Jerusalem Shroud

The Hinnom Valley where the Jerusalem shroud was discovered has long been associated with death. The Gospel of Matthew calls it Akeldama or 'Field of Blood.'

It is dotted with Roman-era burial tombs carved out of caves in the rock face.

In ancient times, pagan tribes burned children alive there as offerings to the god Moloch.

The ancient Israelites called the valley Gehinnom - the Hebrew for 'Hell' - and it was the site where the scapegoat was driven over a cliff on the Day of Atonement in Solomon's Temple.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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half and half here
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


What do you mean by that, V?
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I have seen the shroud in person.
The sales pitch is, Gods sons body was rapped in it.

It look real to me and it gave me the chills but hey, I believe in God.

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What do you mean by that, V?
 Quoting: lil*miss


Hiya Miss. Meaning, i'm not sure...nobody is and that goes for pretty much anything nowaday. Could it be real? Yes, could it be fake? Yes. To me it doesn't really matter though, I don't need proof of God or Jesus to believe. hf
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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It look real to me and it gave me the chills but hey, I believe in God.
 Quoting: On The Edge


I believe as well, and I don't need a shroud to prove it. But still it is curious, where did the shroud come from, if it's authenticity is now in question?
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What do you mean by that, V?


Hiya Miss. Meaning, i'm not sure...nobody is and that goes for pretty much anything nowaday. Could it be real? Yes, could it be fake? Yes. To me it doesn't really matter though, I don't need proof of God or Jesus to believe. hf
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Faith does not need absolute proof. And I, too, believe in God. But it still is a curious thing, is it not?
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What do you mean by that, V?


Hiya Miss. Meaning, i'm not sure...nobody is and that goes for pretty much anything nowaday. Could it be real? Yes, could it be fake? Yes. To me it doesn't really matter though, I don't need proof of God or Jesus to believe. hf


Faith does not need absolute proof. And I, too, believe in God. But it still is a curious thing, is it not?
 Quoting: lil*miss


Oh for sure, no doubt.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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Re: Is The Turin Shroud A Fake?
It was on tour in the US.
It was the cloth that was rapped around Jesus body after his death.

After he rose,it was left behind.
His face transfered onto it.
The face on the shroud looked just like the picture you see of Jesus.

It gave me chills and I think about often.
Like TX Gal said if you have faith and believe.

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For sure. burnit
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