ZetaTalk LIVE Chat December 19

atlas... i knew poor menow not so well....tell me why r u so angry..and harbor such ill will...perhaps a coffee enema will help....it is only a suggestion....

peace my friend and i hope we will weather this storm together...

ps:

i looked back and i realized i misspelled a word...i meant deprived...not depraved....oops..

Last Edited by picesnator on 12/20/2009 02:10 PM

[link to www.niburu.nl]

Nancy, this site claims channeling from the Zetas. Are they legitimate?

Also...

[link to www.spiritual.com.au]

Last Edited by DanfromtheHills on 12/20/2009 02:11 PM

Also...

[link to lightworkers.org]

A list of several channelers.

What "star charts" would those be. If you're serious, let's debate it here and now. I made the challenge last night that you nor any other Nancy follower would be able to find even one single astronomical claim or prediction that she's sver made that has actually come true. I see that no has even tried. Just admit that you're a mindless Nancy follower who can't think for himslef.

let's all have a group hug and...do what every groups do....

Seems that you are in good company Nancy. So what is the Zeta's opinion on the other channelers. Also, why did you not supply me with this contact information, when it only took a few minutes of searching to find them?

If you had done any measurements, you'd know that nothing at all is out of place. If you think differently, then let's see your details. I am an astrophotographer and my work depends on the absolute accuracy of the locations and timing of astronomical phenomena.

Lets go through their interpretations, and see how they correspond to your own predictions...

[link to www.eyepod.org]

Are the Zeta Reticulans, Greys, Us?

Zany Mystic has this answer...

Dear Zany,
Any thoughts on the Zeta Reticulans..
Are they us ?
Frank


Zany Replies...

Robert Shapiro, in his "Explorer Race" series,
channels an entity called ZOOSH, "end time
historian". There's a lot of meat and potatoes
in his channelings. Too much to be coincidence.

Zoosh claims the Zetas are US from the future,
and that they did not know this until recently.
This is used to explain the "harsh" treatment
from them, or "lack of emotionality". The theory
goes something like this:

The Zetas evolved to a point where the soul
which animates them did NOT want to enter
their body. No kidding...who wants to look like
a shriveled up prune with no sex organs?
Imagine looking in the mirror and thinking, "I've got to do something about the bags under my eyes...OH. Those
ARE my eyes!".

Seriously, their lifespan had been in the high "hundreds" of years, until it began shortening due to this problem of
soul rebellion. They had long since cloned OUT the "emotional body", viewing this as "unnecessary". Not unlike
the direction many are headed today. Scientist are racing to the "Event Horizon" which they imagine will set us free,
when AI exceeds our own intelligence and is able to, and WILL take over everything, a' la Matrix - and beyond.

Back to the Zetas: In an attempt to discover what the "life force" is, and GET SOME FAST, like McDonalds of the
soul burgers, we enter the picture. Kryon says that we have powers that we do not understand - the same powers
that fuel inter-dimensional travel, and that we could destroy "et's" with a thought -if we knew how. So we're
somewhat an anomaly. Until they began making the connections here and there...from Zeta to "past lifetime".

Once they realized that we are literally THEM in the past, they supposedly cleaned up their act and began treating
us with a bit more "respect". After all, since the fabric of all-that-is can be disturbed in a negative way as well, their
own race could be in jeopardy if they damage or eliminate us.

They are supposedly going through their own form of Ascension, the same process the entire Universe is going
through...let's not get into parallel universes and dimensions for now. Between the polar shift here, the earth's
ascension to higher levels, our own movement into 4th 5th or higher densities, and the Galaxy's upward movement,
it's like "we all go or no one does".

These many concepts, be they real or metaphorical (and everything is both) are all converging in an "Event
Horizon" of their own, in addition to the one Science is pushing for. Mayan and Cayce Prophecy 101.

Telepathically, we are all linked together already, but our own race is just now beginning to make choices as a
collective that have already altered the numerous doomsday scenarios from prophecy past. In a sense, we are on
the cutting edge of the cutting edge of our own illusion, soon to "break through" the cosmic egg and experience our
own death and rebirth while living. What have the Zetas to do with us?

This is where Dr. Boylan's communications with the Star Nation MIGHT fit in: We are several cuts BELOW the level
of most sentient races who ascend to the next level of responsibility, being barely able to care for our own planet.
In a cosmic "joint decision", we all agreed to go through it now anyway. How to pull it off? This is where genetics
and modification come in. The "new kids on the block", the Indigos, Crystals, Rainbows, etc., are matched to
certain "rays".

We all are tuning into something, and the earth's resonance has risen from about 6 point something to 11 and
counting UP. This is called the Schumann Resonance. It is the energy field of earth, as she raises her vibration,
and the BUZZING in our ears is the result of becoming increasingly aware of it. All animals hear that buzzing, as it's
literally the sound of the earth's plates moving, volcanoes and other natural movements. It's our way of being
informed DIRECTLY outside the television, which mainly serves to DIS inform and hypnotize.

Back to the Zetas. Are they us? Yes and no. They are SOME OF US. Some of us are Pleiadian, others Arcturian,
others X, Y, Zian... and beyond. This relates to sacred geometry and the perfection of all-that-is. WE are out of
tune. Disharmony is disempowering. We cannot sufficiently "tune" ourselves, except through so much laborious
efforts to self-evolve and most have remained hidden until now.

The solution?

Genetic alteration in addition to the removal of interference with higher vibrations. We're getting conscious input in
many ways, which is (and will) come together at the right moment. We are evolving into a BODY of our own, not
unlike the Zeta's group mind, and all advanced sentient life which is totally telepathic. There is much resistance to
"giving up" our illusion of separation, and this, IMO, is the most difficult barrier (habit, control, SLEEP) to break. Is it
intentional? Some is, and some is just inertia and stagnation. It's said that a civilisation that focuses on
sports..."the games", etc.

What is UN conscious must be transmuted into CONSCIOUSNESS. This is the big deal. en light enment is just
moving from dense vibes to lighter ones. Multiple dimensions exist in the very space you and I sit, stand, and find
our lives. By remembering ourselves as unlimited beings, without dogma to nail our feet to the floor, cream rises to
the top, helium rises above air, oil rises in water. Right now, we're like a salad dressing that's shaken a bit too well.
It's difficult to find the different parts, which give the dressing it's "flavor".

The rays which come from the Central Sun, our Solar System, and beyond, are beginning to reach all sentient life,
thus harmonizing the "past" with the "future", where all things merge and go forward together. What this might be
like is difficult to say. I believe the Zetas, and others, are working at full capacity to EMPOWER us to make the right
choices. Because of the low frequency here, and the density that none have sufficiently explained to my
satisfaction, a lot of help is required.

The new kids are reflections of what we are moving into now. We will all be aspects of these "rays", the Indigo, etc.
When people talk about these kids they fail to make the connection that we are all one. They are US and we are
THEM. The kids are not special when we see that we ARE those kids, and we're ALL special. In the near future,
we will be telepathic. This, more than anything, will "bring down" the old paradigms which have kept the planet and
us in gridlock.

Timing is everything.

We exist outside of time and space connected to all dimensions, we just don't "remember" ourselves. By learning to
trust inner guidance, our OWN intuition, we can "divine" anything simply by focusing on it. Problems turn into
opportunities for solutions and working together. We cannot go "wrong", but it helps if we align to our own highest
good. We affect everything from here to the furthest "ends" of the Universe - instantly. Our thoughts change the
fabric of the "hologram". In a sense, we are attempting to "bring down" higher realms while they are meeting us "in
the middle".

I'm finding recently that there is very little "good information" floating about. Very little. This is forcing me
personally to go deeper inside for information and guidance. The results are "chop wood and carry water"
anyway... not something I really wanted to know. I'd rather hop on a flying saucer and hob nob with the freaks and
weirdos, our advanced mentors!

BASHAR is another channeled group from Darryl Anka (Paul Anka's brother, yes!). I cannot find anything
fundamentally OFF about the messages. They are right on. He does not coddle anyone, yet teaches with, shall we
say, "tough love"? No placating, a lot of irreverence, and mostly simple, self-empowering replies that go right to the
source within. How can we tell a higher entity? They know more than we do. "The lower cannot see the higher".
This creates a double edged sword, because those who WANT to hear a particular message gravitate to those
messages that fit in to their "reality".

For me, the messages that move me most don't always provide pat answers, are often disturbing to my peace of
mind, in a good way. We are all teachers. Someone has to teach US, so that we can teach others, and so on like
Jacob's Ladder, the metaphor for DNA, going "up" and down in a crystalline sheath that is yet to be perceived by
science. They are very close. Doesn't it make sense that unless we all move up the ladder none get to rise? Even
those in our "future", such as the Zetas and other inter-galactic races we have yet to discover, have a stake in our
evolution. Now more than ever.

In some ways, we're all "bygoners"...meaning we died a long time ago. Imagine our "future selves" contacting us
now, in order to alter or enhance some aspect that needs to move into alignment with somethint higher still? Could
it BE an evolving Creator(s)? Could WE be the Ultimate One already, simply manifesting in many timelines which
will all collapse back into no time at all? Quantum Physics has proven that communication between particles is
instantaneous no matter "how far" in space or time. That, to me, implies a living cosmos in which there is no such
thing as time. "Going back" breathes consciousness and life into the hologram...

Well, I did ramble on... it happens.

to menow with love....



Last Edited by picesnator on 12/20/2009 02:35 PM

[link to ascension101.blogspot.com]

Received by Sal Rachele
(Read the Introduction and First message here.)

The Role and Function of ETs and Ascended Beings during the Changes

The Latest Information on the Zeta Reticulins

There has been recent information going around your world suggesting that the Type 1 Zeta Reticulins (with short alabaster white bodies, big round heads, and dark almond-shaped eyes), and the Type 2 Zeta Reticulins (commonly called “greys”, with short spindly arms and legs, light grey mottled skin, big elongated heads, and dark almond-shaped eyes), have largely completed their missions on Earth and have returned to their home worlds. This is partially true, as there have been several sub-species of Zetas that have successfully bred with humans and extracted the necessary DNA codes and keys to keep their species propagating. While some of them have continued their race through DNA extraction, others have created successful hybrids by mating with humans, or transferring Zeta sperm into human females. They have been unsuccessful in their attempts to transfer human male sperm into Zeta females, due to the atrophied organs in both male and female Zetas.

As stated by this channel and others, there have been numerous breeding projects ongoing since the 1940s on Earth. These peaked during the 1970s and 1980s, and have gradually dwindled since then. Those humans who have been taken aboard Zeta craft and who have participated in the breeding program fall roughly into three categories. (1) Willing volunteers who are Zeta incarnates in human bodies; (2) Unaware (unwilling) volunteers who are Zeta incarnates in human bodies; and (3) mostly unwilling humans who are not Zeta incarnates in human form.

There have been close to one million human beings who have been involved in the Zeta breeding program at one time or another since its inception in the 1940s. About 30% of these have been willing volunteers who were invited aboard the Zeta ships and were briefed extensively before participating. They were reminded that they came to Earth and incarnated into human form specifically in order to help save the Zetas from extinction. While Zetas, like all sentient beings, have spirits, the spirits of the original Zetas were having increasing difficulty incarnating into the Zeta worlds, due to the atrophied sexual organs of the resident Zetas. This problem occurred largely because of an imbalance between the intellect and the emotions in the Zeta races, which created sterility and inability to function sexually. In essence, the Zeta intellect was overdeveloped and the emotional body underdeveloped.

Due to the violent nature of many humans on planet Earth and their intolerance of other races, the Zetas volunteering to incarnate on Earth were given implants designed to partially suppress their memory of Zeta. Subsequently, the Zeta volunteers taken aboard the ships to participate in the breeding program were given additional implants to suppress their memory of having been on the Zeta ships, before being returned to Earth. Nevertheless, many of them have recalled their experiences at a later date while under hypnosis or in deep meditation.

Roughly 60% of the “abductees” were Zetas incarnate in human form that were taken without conscious consent. The Zetas aboard the craft that were conducting the breeding program attempted to make contact with the higher selves of the Zetas incarnate in human form and in some cases obtained the consent of the higher selves to commence the experiments. Because the conscious minds of these subjects were not at a level of awareness necessary to willfully consent to the experiments, they were taken aboard the Zeta spacecraft usually during the dream state, so as not to frighten the conscious mind. After breeding, they were returned, with an implant to suppress the memory of the encounters. Many of these subject have later recalled the abductions and their conscious minds are often horrified that such a thing would occur. This is the most widely publicized group of abductees and one that creates a great deal of animosity toward the Zetas by those humans who are aware of this program.

While some of this animosity may seem justified, the Zetas' only intent was to save their race from extinction. They did not have evil intentions. They did not understand human feelings sufficiently to realize that they were causing a great deal of pain among many of the subjects. This is analogous to your scientists conducting experiments on animals without taking into account the feelings of the animals.

About 10% of the abductees were not Zetas incarnate in human form, but were humans having the majority of their DNA from other star systems. You could say, from a limited viewpoint, that the free will of these souls was violated and that they were taken by mistake. The actual case histories of these souls and why they were taken is too complex to go into here, but suffice to say that not all Zetas involved in the breeding program fully understood the principles of free will. Some of them could not tell the difference between humans with Zeta DNA and humans with DNA from other star systems. In most cases, all of the humans taken aboard Zeta craft probably had some Zeta DNA, but it could have been from distant lifetimes in the Zeta worlds, or interbreeding on Earth with other Zeta incarnates. Suffice to say that these 10% (approximately) of the abductees did not give their consent to be experimented on, and the Zetas accrued karmic conditions as a result of these “mistakes.”

Keep in mind, dear Creators, that karma and mistakes only exist within the lower four dimensions of Creation and are not ultimately true. Nevertheless, the souls involved in these “mistakes” have had some hard lessons to learn as they evolve into higher spiritual states of awareness. For example, some of the unwilling abductees came to Earth with a prior soul history of abuse and victimhood. Others were perpetrators in a past lifetime and needed to experience being victims in order to balance the lesson. The myriad of soul contracts, karmic agreements and lessons between races can be quite complex. We will obviously not take time to go more deeply into this subject here.

The Type 1 and Type 2 Zetas are minor players in the Earth changes in the sense that they are not affecting the overall Divine Plan all that much. The main aspect of their involvement with Earth that has significance regarding the Earth changes involves the hybrid races that were created out of their desire to save their race. While spirit is eternal and the spirit of the Zetas will live forever, the desire of the young Zeta souls to be able to experience their world in physical form was the driving force behind their visit to Earth.

Some of the hybrid races will go to the Zeta Reticulus star system and be incorporated into the civilizations there, while others vibrating at fourth density will return to Earth once the changes there become a bit more stabilized. Nevertheless, a few hybrids are walking among the people of Earth now and are blending in fairly well with the other humans. Many of them will survive the Earth changes and be part of the emerging civilizations subsequent to the major celestial events of 2012, 2017 and 2030.

[Note: Darryl Anka channels Bashar, who is a member of a hybrid Zeta-Human race.]

The Type 3 Zeta Reticulins are the rogue element generally classified as Zeta-Draco hybrids, and these entities have gotten a lot of negative press (with good reason). They seem to embody the “worst” of the DNA strains, in the sense that they are the least open to moving onto a path of enlightenment, and the most likely to cause disharmony and destruction in their wake.

In this channel's earlier work, he spoke briefly of the Type 3 Zetas and suggested humans would be wise to avoid contact at all costs. This renegade group will be leaving the Earth as the Earth accelerates in vibration, due to the incompatibility of the fourth density atmosphere and vibration with their dense 3D forms.

The Type 3 Zetas look a lot like the Dracos in their native state, but are smaller and walk upright like Lyra/Vega style humanoids. Their DNA is approximately two-thirds Zeta and one-third Draco in its overall composition, although obviously many have the DNA of other star races in them as well, depending on how their souls have progressed since emergence from the Godhead millions of years ago. So you see, dear Creators, it is not always that easy to simply categorize beings neatly into little boxes.

The Type 3 Zetas tend to remain in ships and rarely land on the surface of the Earth, due to their difficulty with Earth's atmosphere and gravity. If they experiment on humans, they usually bring them aboard the ships before probing, dissecting and extracting fluids to serve their selfish agendas. Their intention is to enslave the human race and use the slaves to mine the minerals of Earth, while observing from the safety of their ships and underground bases (which are few and far between). Due to intervention from benevolent groups, the Type 3 Zeta presence around Earth is more of a nuisance than a real threat, and as the Earth continues to rise in vibration, it will get harder for them to remain here even in ships.

I am to surmise then that you are not the only person to channel a Zeta, Nancy. Furthermore, it would have been easy for you to link me up with your fellow channelers, but, chose an evasive answer, and didn't help me at all.

You are bunk, and garbage.

Stop spreading fake fear, and learn to live your life, IN SERVICE TO OTHERS, instead of for your own fame and glory.

Last Edited by DanfromtheHills on 12/20/2009 02:33 PM

do yo hear that? the hills are calling you back dan

I've given my details countless times. Now is the PERFECT time to see how Orion has been tilted over 45 degrees in a clockwise manner. Same with Canis Major. All it takes are eyes to see so therefore, you lying piece of shit, you are NO astrophotographer. What a dumbass.

Show us a picture of how it should look as compared to the way you claim it looks now. If you can't prove it, then the only one lying would be you. I've been watching Orion since 2003 and it is no different now than it was back then. In addition, it can now be seen at 9:00 at night almost dead center in the sky for my location. That wouldn't be possible if the Earth were "halted in orbit" and pushed "back to a September position."

Anyone who wants to verify this, look at this photo:

[link to io81.com]

This is the orientation you will see at roughly 9:00 p.m. local time in the northern hemisphere as you face the south and look up. Now, let's see if big bold man can prove that this isn't the way it should look.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 12/20/2009 03:03 PM

I ask you, AGAIN: if Orion is in ANY 'tilted' or unusual position in the sky (and how can Orion be tilted and the rest of the sky NOT be... after all, the North star isn't 45 degrees off, is it?) then how does ANY GOTO scope track the sky accurately at all? How can ANY long exposure astrophotography be done? How would they/their equipment ADAPT?

Boy you are a dense asshole. I use both my 16 inch planisphere entitled David H. Levy's Guide to the Stars. I also use starcharts made well over 50 years ago, using the maltese cross method in order to minimize any distortions that appear on normal starcharts. It is clear as day, both Orion and Sirius are in their normal positions except they've been tilted so that instead of facing the ground, they point straight into the sky. ANYONE can do these simple observations. Now is the perfect time because we are stuck in an early September position so the month of December is showing some extreme tilting of constellations.

ANYONE CAN OBSERVE! DON'T LISTEN TO THIS ARROGANT ASSHOLE WHO'D LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS NORMAL. HE IS A PAID SHILL!

And what do your claims prove? NOTHING. We can all see how desperate you are. It's obvious with the way you claim anyone that doesn't believe you is paid to do so. Very weak.

Here's a photo of Orion taken in 2003:
[link to www.phys.ncku.edu.tw]
Here's one taken in 2008:
[link to apod.nasa.gov]

Let's see what you have and explain how your view is different. In addition, if Earth were halted in a "September position" as you claim, Orion wouldn't be visible as soon as it got dark. It wouldn't be visible until just before dawn, and only briefly.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 12/20/2009 03:59 PM

What does that mean? Tilted so instead of facing the ground, they point into the sky? WHAT is pointed at the ground or the sky?

And, again, how do GOTO telescopes track those stars if they are in the wrong place?

First, my astrophotography...

www.machunter.org/hapspics.html

Secondly, you demonstrate clearly that you haven't the first clue about how the sky works. Orion rises in the east, crosses the sky towards the south, and sets in the west. This is because the earth is turning with us as the observer on it. As Orion rises, the constellation is on it's "side", as it appears to move to the west it appears to rotate until it is nearly straight up, and then as it sets in the west it appears to be rotated to the opposite side. Such occurs with EVERY constellation and the moon as well.

Yes, do your own observations. Download the free planetarium software at www.stellarium.org and program it for your location and the date. Then, move the time forward as you watch Orion, and all of the other constellations, rise in the east and appear to rotate as they move towards the west. The constellations towards the north actually spin completely around during a 24 hour period. This is becuase the earth is a globe and we as the observer are watching from a rotating globe. Also, note how the stars and planets appear in the actual sky EXACTLY where they are supposed to at any given time.

Or were you just born yesterday and are just now realizing this?

Here's a decent video about Orion:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyone watching...as Orion rises, its belt will be aligned not quite vertically. As the Earth rotates and Orion comes to its highest point in the night sky, if you face south and then look up at it, Orion's orientation will be the same as seen in the photos. In all cases - whether rising, at its peak or setting, the star Betelgeuse (located in the upper left corner in the photos) will always point towards the north.

Now, 767101...prove that this isn't the way it should be.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 12/20/2009 03:56 PM

That doesn't even make sense. Orion and all the other constellations "tilt" 360 degrees every 24 hours, every single day of the year, so wtf are you talking about?

I remember you and your planisphere now... Seems to me that when you explained how you were making your observations, we figured out where you were screwing up. Of course, you ignored that and are repeating the same mistakes now. How droll.

Go ahead and describe exactly how you are using your planisphere again.

I guess 767101 has run away when it is shown that he doesn't know at all what he is yammering about.

here for that grouchy one.....hint {menow}...




peace

Last Edited by picesnator on 12/20/2009 04:48 PM

Apparently.

He tells everyone to go look and that's great, but I wonder - what's the point? If someone goes out, looks and comes back and says that everything appeared like it should, he's going to immediately claim the person is a government paid shill, is lying and shouldn't be trusted....all because their observations didn't align with his. He simply cannot accept the possibility that he's wrong. Now, I don't want him to come back and say I'm trying to keep people from looking - Nancy has been claiming "debunkers" have been doing that for years. So...BY ALL MEANS - GO OUT AND LOOK. Just don't be surprised if you're called names for reporting what you honestly saw. How do I know? Because that's how I got labeled a "debunker" and "government paid shill" in May 2003...just before the "pole shift" was supposed to happen...all because I asked Nancy where "Planet X" was since it was supposed to be undeniable in the sky by then.

AC 767101 - ask yourself this: If someone comes to this thread and sees your claims, who are they going to believe? Someone who has posted information with links and photographs explaining what people should see? Or someone who provides no documentation, says others are "government paid shills" and shouldn't be trusted simply because their claims don't align with yours? Do you really think that such behavior persuades people to believe what you're saying? It's one thing to make a claim, but quite another to actually prove it.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 12/20/2009 06:22 PM

Nancy banned me last night for posting HER OWN QUOTES verbatum.

That tells you everything you neded to know about the truthfulness (or not) of zetababble.

Nancy sure got owned on this one.