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>>>>>> Why Astrology is Considered Occult !!!!!!!!

 
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Ever look up at a cathedral ceiling surprised to see the Zodiac there? The earliest Christian iconography often depicted Jesus at the center of the Zodiac. But for many Christians, it's hard to reconcile astrology with their tradition, since it's so often disparaged as "occult." It's a word that conjures up all things shadowy, witchy, fearsome and even evil. But, writes Carmen Turner-Schott, "The word 'occult' actually means, 'beyond the realm of human comprehension, hidden from view, concealed, available only to the initiate, and secret.'"

As part of her ongoing exclusive series on Christianity and Astrology, she seeks to shine light on a hazy historical enigma. On astrology, she writes, "It was not created as an occult science, because it was never hidden or secret on its own. The Christian Church actually transformed astrology into something that was considered taboo, supernatural and mysterious."

Carmen's writings are timely, as more Christians widen their perspective to include the cosmic energies. She approaches astrology as a "Christian mystic," and that's meaningful as mystic means having a direct experience of the divine. The intuitive frames that astrology creates allow us to see how the divine hand is playing out in our lives. And Carmen describes how astrology can heighten, not diminish, that experience of the divine for those committed to the Christian path.

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I would like to know why Christians insist that this is a cult....
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I really want to know
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I would like to know why Christians insist that this is a cult....
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Because Christianity likes to keep one story, its own, in the forefront. Astrology opens up minds and hearts to possibilites and to directly experienced reality, and that's a challenge to a bookish faith.

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I would like to know why Christians insist that this is a cult....

Because Christianity likes to keep one story, its own, in the forefront. Astrology opens up minds and hearts to possibilites and to directly experienced reality, and that's a challenge to a bookish faith.
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Why do Christians think this is so harmful to their religion????
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I would like to know why Christians insist that this is a cult....

Because Christianity likes to keep one story, its own, in the forefront. Astrology opens up minds and hearts to possibilites and to directly experienced reality, and that's a challenge to a bookish faith.


Why do Christians think this is so harmful to their religion????
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Well, just as a quick guess.

It's possible that people would put their faith into astrology rather than God.

i.e. They would live their lives in accordance to what their horoscope says rather than what the Bible and/or Holy Spirit says.

I don't represent the church though, so I can't officially speak for them.
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Why do Christians think this is so harmful to their religion????
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The core Christian belief is that there's only one goal to the spiritual life (being saved), and only one path (Jesus). Astrology suggests there are other things a spirit can do and think about while on Earth, and that leads to doubt about that goal. When doubt comes in, attention to a goal that lays claim to all of a person's life weakens and falls. That's why there are so many lapsed Christians.

Buddhists, say, believe there have been many Buddhas, Christians insist that the good stuff has only lived on Earth one time.
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I would like to know why Christians insist that this is a cult....

Because Christianity likes to keep one story, its own, in the forefront. Astrology opens up minds and hearts to possibilites and to directly experienced reality, and that's a challenge to a bookish faith.


Why do Christians think this is so harmful to their religion????


Well, just as a quick guess.

It's possible that people would put their faith into astrology rather than God.

i.e. They would live their lives in accordance to what their horoscope says rather than what the Bible and/or Holy Spirit says.

I don't represent the church though, so I can't officially speak for them.
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All cultures have watched the stars though out time.........
so did the Christian wise men following the star to Bethlehem .....and yet they all forbid astrology.......
umm
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The wise men who went to follow Jesus weren't Christian exclusively, they just knew someone important had been born. Latter writers said more things, but the moment was just that.. knowledge meets happening. And there's plenty of doubt about what really was, and what wasn't, there in Gregorian year O.

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All cultures have watched the stars though out time.........
so did the Christian wise men following the star to Bethlehem .....and yet they all forbid astrology.......
umm
 Quoting: Cyndexia


well, they still accept astronomy I think.


My philosophy is if it didn't work, then nobody would believe in it.

As far as biblical Astrology, well, you have to go back to Enoch 8 for that one.

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

If you really want to get into it about the church, then I'd say that they "forbid" astrology because it was taught to men by fallen angels. That's probably the real reason, even though nobody in the church would admit it. However, that didn't stop them from wearing eye makeup.

Another name for Sariel was Aries (first constellation).

The name Baraqijal means "Lightning of God"

At any rate, the twelve tribes of Israel correlate pretty well with the 12 zodiac signs. I've looked quite a bit into that and found some pretty astounding similarities.

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The wise men who went to follow Jesus weren't Christian exclusively, they just knew someone important had been born. Latter writers said more things, but the moment was just that.. knowledge meets happening. And there's plenty of doubt about what really was, and what wasn't, there in Gregorian year O.
 Quoting: Aztec Cavalry

Your right about the wise men because they could not be Christian until after Jesus's life....... hf
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Yes, ZTE, common roots in the Babylonian zodiac and the Bible. Babble!
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All cultures have watched the stars though out time.........
so did the Christian wise men following the star to Bethlehem .....and yet they all forbid astrology.......
umm


well, they still accept astronomy I think.


My philosophy is if it didn't work, then nobody would believe in it.

As far as biblical Astrology, well, you have to go back to Enoch 8 for that one.

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

If you really want to get into it about the church, then I'd say that they "forbid" astrology because it was taught to men by fallen angels. That's probably the real reason, even though nobody in the church would admit it. However, that didn't stop them from wearing eye makeup.

Another name for Sariel was Aries (first constellation).

The name Baraqijal means "Lightning of God"

At any rate, the twelve tribes of Israel correlate pretty well with the 12 zodiac signs. I've looked quite a bit into that and found some pretty astounding similarities.
 Quoting: ZTE

Nice Work....... I would think that astrology would only aide in the works of all religion.
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Nice Work....... I would think that astrology would only aide in the works of all religion.
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Not at all, religion is about someone who decides what goes on, and astrology is about life happening, uncontrollable, new.
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Nice Work....... I would think that astrology would only aide in the works of all religion.

Not at all, religion is about someone who decides what goes on, and astrology is about life happening, uncontrollable, new.
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But doesn't life's happening go with one's belief system?
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Another name for Sariel was Aries (first constellation).

The name Baraqijal means "Lightning of God"

At any rate, the twelve tribes of Israel correlate pretty well with the 12 zodiac signs. I've looked quite a bit into that and found some pretty astounding similarities.

Nice Work....... I would think that astrology would only aide in the works of all religion.
 Quoting: Cyndexia



Maybe, maybe not. But gaining in knowledge isn't a bad thing; however, what you do with that knowledge is where morality comes into play.

Personally, I only use astrology for psychological studies and research. Sunspot activity is also extremely interesting in how it affects life (and thought) on Earth. I know it is against my personality to want to harm or kill others, but recently I've been very agitated and aggressive as the sunspots have picked-up.

I can just look at someone and give a complete psychological profile that is pretty accurate, and you'd be surprised at how many times I get their birth month right.
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But doesn't life's happening go with one's belief system?
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Belief is thinking you have a handle on life, and that tomorrow will be more or less like today. Life happening, spiritual progress, is about whacking that notion upside the head every day.
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Another name for Sariel was Aries (first constellation).

The name Baraqijal means "Lightning of God"

At any rate, the twelve tribes of Israel correlate pretty well with the 12 zodiac signs. I've looked quite a bit into that and found some pretty astounding similarities.

Nice Work....... I would think that astrology would only aide in the works of all religion.



Maybe, maybe not. But gaining in knowledge isn't a bad thing; however, what you do with that knowledge is where morality comes into play.

Personally, I only use astrology for psychological studies and research. Sunspot activity is also extremely interesting in how it affects life (and thought) on Earth. I know it is against my personality to want to harm or kill others, but recently I've been very agitated and aggressive as the sunspots have picked-up.

I can just look at someone and give a complete psychological profile that is pretty accurate, and you'd be surprised at how many times I get their birth month right.
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But doesn't life's happening go with one's belief system?

Belief is thinking you have a handle on life, and that tomorrow will be more or less like today. Life happening, spiritual progress, is about whacking that notion upside the head every day.
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Again I wonder if the astro signs of a person influence this?
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Maybe, maybe not. But gaining in knowledge isn't a bad thing; however, what you do with that knowledge is where morality comes into play.

Personally, I only use astrology for psychological studies and research. Sunspot activity is also extremely interesting in how it affects life (and thought) on Earth. I know it is against my personality to want to harm or kill others, but recently I've been very agitated and aggressive as the sunspots have picked-up.

I can just look at someone and give a complete psychological profile that is pretty accurate, and you'd be surprised at how many times I get their birth month right.


Do Tell !!!!!! Can you guess mine ??????
 Quoting: Cyndexia


I'm sure I could if I go back and read a few of your posts, or just keep bumping this one for a few more times.

My secret to determining personalities is based on alchemy (Jungian psychology). Once I assign the proper proportions of elements, I then just check a chart I made (and memorized) and see what astrology sign pops out.
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All cultures have watched the stars though out time.........
so did the Christian wise men following the star to Bethlehem .....and yet they all forbid astrology.......
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well, they still accept astronomy I think.


My philosophy is if it didn't work, then nobody would believe in it.

As far as biblical Astrology, well, you have to go back to Enoch 8 for that one.

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

If you really want to get into it about the church, then I'd say that they "forbid" astrology because it was taught to men by fallen angels. That's probably the real reason, even though nobody in the church would admit it. However, that didn't stop them from wearing eye makeup.

Another name for Sariel was Aries (first constellation).

The name Baraqijal means "Lightning of God"

At any rate, the twelve tribes of Israel correlate pretty well with the 12 zodiac signs. I've looked quite a bit into that and found some pretty astounding similarities.
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The Church that I attended forbid such talk..... I mean now discussion on the matter..... I feel comfortable with knowing my solar cycle and when I brought this subject up...... I was accused of having demons ........
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I'm sure I could if I go back and read a few of your posts, or just keep bumping this one for a few more times.

My secret to determining personalities is based on alchemy (Jungian psychology). Once I assign the proper proportions of elements, I then just check a chart I made (and memorized) and see what astrology sign pops out.
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I'm a Scorpio, 11/11 of all things, if it comes up. Nice talking to you all, I'll be going off now. Enjoy.
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Maybe, maybe not. But gaining in knowledge isn't a bad thing; however, what you do with that knowledge is where morality comes into play.

Personally, I only use astrology for psychological studies and research. Sunspot activity is also extremely interesting in how it affects life (and thought) on Earth. I know it is against my personality to want to harm or kill others, but recently I've been very agitated and aggressive as the sunspots have picked-up.

I can just look at someone and give a complete psychological profile that is pretty accurate, and you'd be surprised at how many times I get their birth month right.


Do Tell !!!!!! Can you guess mine ??????


I'm sure I could if I go back and read a few of your posts, or just keep bumping this one for a few more times.

My secret to determining personalities is based on alchemy (Jungian psychology). Once I assign the proper proportions of elements, I then just check a chart I made (and memorized) and see what astrology sign pops out.
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I understand alchemy. Just check out my post.... But as far as tonight posting for people to laugh.... We have had may Haters today.....Just needed to lighten up things.....chuckle
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I'm sure I could if I go back and read a few of your posts, or just keep bumping this one for a few more times.

My secret to determining personalities is based on alchemy (Jungian psychology). Once I assign the proper proportions of elements, I then just check a chart I made (and memorized) and see what astrology sign pops out.

I'm a Scorpio, 11/11 of all things, if it comes up. Nice talking to you all, I'll be going off now. Enjoy.
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I am a 11:11 Gal.......... Nice to meet you.....:)
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I understand alchemy. Just check out my post.... But as far as tonight posting for people to laugh.... We have had may Haters today.....Just needed to lighten up things.....chuckle
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Well, judging from the few threads you posted tonight, you'd probably score an ENFP on Jung typology. But the older you are, the more likely I am to be wrong.
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I understand alchemy. Just check out my post.... But as far as tonight posting for people to laugh.... We have had may Haters today.....Just needed to lighten up things.....chuckle


Well, judging from the few threads you posted tonight, you'd probably score an ENFP on Jung typology. But the older you are, the more likely I am to be wrong.
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Oh I feel like I have failed...... Tonight we as a bad night with trolls.... so I thought I would light the load and just start with humor.....
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I understand alchemy. Just check out my post.... But as far as tonight posting for people to laugh.... We have had may Haters today.....Just needed to lighten up things.....chuckle


Well, judging from the few threads you posted tonight, you'd probably score an ENFP on Jung typology. But the older you are, the more likely I am to be wrong.


Oh I feel like I have failed...... Tonight we as a bad night with trolls.... so I thought I would light the load and just start with humor.....
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Keep in mind those typology tests are irrelevant for people over 35 or 40. Meaning, that if you've grown in knowledge and wisdom for half your life (like a normal human should) then every time you take the test, you'll get a different typology. However, E/I will most likely stay the same, because that is the hardest one to overcome probably because it's the first aspect of personality that appears in humans (even newborns).
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I understand alchemy. Just check out my post.... But as far as tonight posting for people to laugh.... We have had may Haters today.....Just needed to lighten up things.....chuckle


Well, judging from the few threads you posted tonight, you'd probably score an ENFP on Jung typology. But the older you are, the more likely I am to be wrong.


Oh I feel like I have failed...... Tonight we as a bad night with trolls.... so I thought I would light the load and just start with humor.....


Keep in mind those typology tests are irrelevant for people over 35 or 40. Meaning, that if you've grown in knowledge and wisdom for half your life (like a normal human should) then every time you take the test, you'll get a different typology. However, E/I will most likely stay the same, because that is the hardest one to overcome probably because it's the first aspect of personality that appears in humans (even newborns).
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OK ZTE I am a 911
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OK ZTE I am a 911
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As in born on 9/11?
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As in born on 9/11?
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Yes.............
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As in born on 9/11?


Yes.............
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Oh ok, then your personality is much more similar to mine than I thought in some ways. I guess I need to go back and read some of your past posts. My best friend is a Virgo, and there's nobody on earth I get along better with than him.

Of course that dang 13th zodiac sign has been messing up my beliefs on the whole subject.





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