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Its now in the supreme court on the closing of the docks.



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Fight to keep Asian carp out of Great Lakes reaches Supreme Court
Michigan's attorney general files a lawsuit that seeks to close two shipping locks near Chicago, sealing off the fish's most direct route to the Great Lakes.
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Members of Fisheries and Oceans Canada net dead fish on the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Lockport, Ill, where poison was spread in 5.5-mile stretch of the canal in order to stop the spread of Asian carp. (Marcin Szczepanski / Detroit Free Press / December 3, 2009)
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December 22, 2009

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Reporting from Chicago - The fight to keep invasive Asian carp out of the Great Lakes reached the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday, as Michigan's attorney general filed a lawsuit seeking closure of two shipping locks near Chicago.

Claiming Illinois officials have been lax, Michigan Atty. Gen. Mike Cox asked justices for immediate action to seal off the most direct route for fish entering Lake Michigan, in hopes of protecting the region's $7-billion fishing industry.

"We don't want to have to look back years later . . . and say, 'What was the matter with us? We should have done something,' " Cox said. Closing the locks, he said, was "the easiest, the most reliable and the most effective" short-term step officials could take.

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn declined to say whether he favored closing the locks, but added: "We have to protect the ecology of the Great Lakes; we also have many, many jobs that depend on shipping, so there has to be a proper balance.

"There are ways of preventing the carp from getting into the Great Lakes without strangling our economy."

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which operates the locks and is a codefendant in the lawsuit, declined to comment.

In addition to closing the locks, the lawsuit seeks creation of barriers to prevent carp from escaping the Des Plaines River or neighboring waterways during flooding. Cox also called for a study of Chicago's water system to understand the size and scope of the Asian carp population.

The lawsuit comes during a period of heightened anxiety over recent DNA research that hinted the voracious fish may have bypassed an underwater electric barrier system -- and could now be within six miles of Lake Michigan. In August, Quinn signed into law a $3-million program giving universities and researchers authority to fish as many varieties of Asian carp as they could find. Last week, Illinois was awarded $13 million in federal funds to deal with the carp problem.

In filing the lawsuit, Michigan was asking that the high court reopen a 100-year-old case sparked by Chicago's reversing the flow of the Chicago River to send its sewage and human waste away from Lake Michigan and toward the Mississippi River. A number of states around the Great Lakes complained that Chicago's manipulation of the waterways was harming the lakes. The courts responded by limiting the amount of water Chicago could divert each day.

Hundreds of millions of dollars in commercial barge traffic pass through the area each year, with much of it proceeding to harbors in Lake Michigan, said the American Waterways Operators, a trade group for the barge industry. Thousands of recreational boaters also use the locks.

The Alliance for the Great Lakes, which recently studied permanently closing Chicago's shipping canals over fear of invasive species, said there was too much at risk to dismiss closing locks entirely.

"That canal is becoming a liability because it's putting the future of the Great Lakes at risk," said Joel Brammeier, chief executive officer of the alliance. "Right now, it's every tool in the toolbox, whatever it takes to keep the carp from getting into the Great Lakes."






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captain Wild Jumping Carp!
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what is your thoughts on this 'Fish ?
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Asian carp is good eats. What a waste.
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Figure they are bottom feeders and going to help clean the mess up ?
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what is your thoughts on this 'Fish ?
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Well its like yu cant let them get into the Lake Michigan and the rest of the great lakes.


I say close the locks and look for some way of finding something that will kill off the remaining. They will get down down to where Im fishing in central Illinois. There were even a few sightings of asian carp in Lake Evergreen where I fish and they were bow hunting for them this year.


I thought I saw one this year on the Vermillion where I fish.

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Catch them and sell them to China. These carp are prized in China as the primary ingredient of fishhead soup.
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Michigan vs Illinois.



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Catch them and sell them to China. These carp are prized in China as the primary ingredient of fishhead soup.
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theres a fisherman over in Peoria thats making his living right now off them by netting them on the Illinois river and selling them.
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ya don't want these beast in the Great Lakes...they take over entire ecosystems and will endanger salmon and lake trout...you really really really shouldn't want the damn things in the Great Lakes....

I like the catch em and ship em to asia idea though...lol
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bowhunting chick hunts asian carp.



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Invasive species are mother natures way of saying 'here's a gift, use it' birthday
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this is in Ottawa just 10 miles from me ..I have fished here.

Crap you couldnt even waater ski here no more..killed by a flying carp.

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Well, they could introduce a natural predator of the carp in the rivers and lakes; that would clean them up, but what would that be? hmmm, fresh water sharks? alligators? anacondas? Nature will balance it out given time. No invasive species remains so given a long enough period of time; the exception is us; we are actually the most awesome invasive species because we have no natural predators. But nature always provides a solution hiding
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Well, they could introduce a natural predator of the carp in the rivers and lakes; that would clean them up, but what would that be? hmmm, fresh water sharks? alligators? anacondas? Nature will balance it out given time. No invasive species remains so given a long enough period of time; the exception is us; we are actually the most awesome invasive species because we have no natural predators. But nature always provides a solution hiding
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hmmm, the natural predator for a big fish is a bigger fish-Leviathans hiding
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In Europe they're prized gamefish.....hell, I like catching them....
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Let them grow big enough and you got fish skin suits, boots, canopies and tents to sleep in, as well as food. After 2K12, we may need them; the remnant that is.
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yeah, just let nature take its course...that's right.

Well, eventually there will be no prey for the asian carp and fisheries will restock the great lakes with the fish we are accustomed to like:
lake perch
smelt
lake trout
northern
walleye
salmon
muskie
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