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The Alef-Tav of Genesis 1

 
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The Alef-Tav of Genesis 1
Contemplations on the Alef Tav found in Genesis 1:1. Yehoshua (Jesus) and YHWH referred to themselves as the Alpha and Omega in Rev. chapter 1. Some contend that that Yehoshua was speaking as a messenger on behalf of Yehovah who can only be the Alpha and Omega. First we must translate the Alpha and Omega out of Greek back into Hebrew and this would be the Alef/Tav. The beginning and the end the first and the last, In Hebrew Alef is the first letter and Tav is the last. YHWH said in Isaiah that He was the First and the Last
Isaiah 48: 12,13 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he: I am the first and I am the last.
13. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth and my right hand hath spanned the heavens.....

Now Yehoshua speaking in Rev. 22: 12,13

12. And behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13. I Am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

The above is a proof text which clearly show that Yehoshua is one with the Father YHWH.

There is something amazing in the first chapter of Gen. that can only be seen when reading the Hebrew.
Gen. 1:1 In the beginning G-d created the heavens and the earth.

In the Hebrew this verse reads....
B'reshit bara Elohim Alef-Tav... ( In the beginning created Elohim Alef/Tav....)

The Alef-Tav in the Hebrew is a gramatical marker which preceeds a direct object. The Alef/Tav found in Genesis proceeded every creative act of Elohim.
If you have an interlinear you can see this, that everything that was created in Genesis chapter 1, was first proceeded by the Alef/Tav.
Yehoshua speaking....
Revelation 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of G-d.

Ah, there we have it... Yehoshua was the first thing created by Elohim.... Bereshit bara Elohim
Alef-Tav....

Gen.1:1 only validates the New Testament which Paul stated in
Col.1:16: For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for Him.

When the Elohim who is Ruach or Spirit overshadowed Mariam this same Alef/Tav that brought forth creation was spoken into the womb of Miriam and was made flesh and dwelt among us.
The Ruach was still in Heaven as the Supreme Spirit of the Universe. It was the Ruach that created the Alef Tav and Alef Tav brought forth creation.

One last verse to ponder....
Zechariah 12: 10
And I will pour upon the House of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of Grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me (Alef-Tav) whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.

I inserted the Alef-Tav where it appears in the Hebrew.
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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bump
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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bump
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Thanks for the Bump. This is important and reveals that Our Savior is one with the Father. Yehoshua said, If you've seen me you've seen the Father."
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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its very simple
in the beginning was the word

words are sound

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its very simple
in the beginning was the word

words are sound

VIBRATIONS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 849823

True, the earth was created by the letters of the Hebrew Alef-Bet or from Alef-Tav.
The spoken WORD that created the Universe was also made Flesh and dwelt among us.
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[link to www.biblewheel.com]

Aleph-Tav: First and Last



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Aleph Tav: The Key to the Kingdoms
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[link to www.biblewheel.com]

Aleph-Tav: First and Last



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Aleph Tav: The Key to the Kingdoms
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Thank you for posting this link. This link has alot of great wealth concerning the gematria of Hebrew words and supports this truth about the Alef-Tav.
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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you asked a question on my thread concerning the Temple

I want you to see the answer , I will put it here also

hopefully you will see it


You said

“To believe that the Temple in Ezekiel has yet to be built discredits the work of Messiah.”

To start with Jesus is not the Messiah , some say he attempted this
What ever the case is he did not do what the Messiah will do. The world is not been redeemed, the work of the Messiah will bring ultimate sanctification to God’s name in the world. This certainly has not happened. As it is written in Isia :

1. And there shall come forth a rod from the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow from his roots;
2. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord; and he shall not judge by what his eyes see, nor decide by what his ears hear.
4. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the humble of the earth; and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6. The wolf also shall live with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


THESE THINGS CERTIANLY HAVE NOT OCCURRED

The Jesus Idea, trinity and especially the “2nd” coming are all Roman inventions

The most foundational teaching God Gave to Moses and Abraham before him is

GOD IS ONE , only one not 3 in one not …………………
GOD IS ONE

“Hear, O Israel; The Lord is God The Lord is one”

Another major Distinction God taught Abraham , which in his time was unheard and reinforce again at mount Sinai is

“15. Take therefore good heed to yourselves; for you saw no manner of form on the day when the Lord spoke to you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire;”

(Deut 4)

God is Bigger than all physicality and has no physical representation. As such is the foundation of all idolatry.

The cross and genuflexion to it, is just this

Now concerning your question of the “the prophetic signifigance of the Second Temple.”

Although the Temple had been destroyed and Jerusalem burned to the ground, the Jews and Judaism survived the encounter with Rome. The supreme legislative and judicial body, the Sanhedrin (successor of the Knesset Hagedolah) was reconvened in Yavneh (70 CE), and later in Tiberias.
Without the unifying framework of a state and the Temple, the small remaining Jewish community gradually recovered, reinforced from time to time by returning exiles. Institutional and communal life was renewed, priests were replaced by rabbis and the synagogue became the focus of the Jewish communities, as evidenced by remnants of synagogues found at Capernaum, Korazin, Bar’am, Gamla, and elsewhere. Halakhah (Jewish religious law) served as the common bond among the Jews and was passed on from generation to generation until this day and there has been nothing like this in the whole earth.
The Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites and their cultures have disappeared not the Hebrews, the Jewish people.

To believe that the Temple in Ezekiel has yet to be built discredits the work of Messiah.
And the so called New testament.
As they directly contradict the words of God in the Bible many times in many things from the Sabbath changed to Sunday, to permission to eat forbidden food as pork and negation of the Biblical holidays. Almost all the Holy things God gave to mankind as a gift the so called new testament negates, including knowledge of the 3rd Temple, which fills the images of the prophets who speak of a Temple in the “end of days, which will be rebuilt at the Time of the Redemption.
These verses make it clear beyond any doubt that the Temple described in Ezekiel has yet to be built, it was not the 2nd Temple:
1. And he brought me back to the door of the house; and, behold, waters flowed from under the threshold of the house eastward; for the front of the house faced to the east, and water run out from beneath the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2. And he brought me out by the way of the gate northward, and led me around the way outside to the outer gate by the way that faces to the east; and, behold, there ran out water on the right side.
3. And when the man who had the line in his hand went out eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the water; the water reached the ankles.
4. And he measured a thousand, and brought me through the water; the water reached the knees. And he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the water reached the loins.
5. And he measured a further thousand; and it was a stream that I could not pass over; for the water had risen, water to swim in, a stream that could not be passed over.
6. And he said to me, Son of man, have you seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the edge of the stream.
7. And when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the stream were many trees on one side and on the other.
8. And he said to me, These waters flow out towards the eastern region, and go down to the Arabah, to the sea; and when they enter the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9. And it shall come to pass, that every thing that lives, which moves, wherever the streams shall come, shall live; and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come there; for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live where the stream comes.
10. (K) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Ein-Gedi as far as Ein-Eglayim; they shall be a place for spreading nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, a great many like the fish of the Great Sea.
11. But its swamps and its marshes shall not be healed; they shall be left for salt.
12. And by the stream, upon its bank, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for food, whose leaf shall not wither, nor shall its fruit fail; it shall bring forth fresh fruit every month, because the waters for them flow from the sanctuary; and their fruit shall be for food, and their leaves for healing.
Ezekiel Chapter 47

Also

“35. It shall be eighteen thousand measures around; and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.”

Ezekiel Chapter 48
This obviously is yet to pass
, May we see these things quickly in our days
Read the Prophesies at the link here if you have doubt or questions or interest concerning these things :
[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]
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you asked a question on my thread concerning the Temple

I want you to see the answer , I will put it here also

hopefully you will see it


You said

“To believe that the Temple in Ezekiel has yet to be built discredits the work of Messiah.”

To start with Jesus is not the Messiah , some say he attempted this
What ever the case is he did not do what the Messiah will do. The world is not been redeemed, the work of the Messiah will bring ultimate sanctification to God’s name in the world. This certainly has not happened. As it is written in Isia :

1. And there shall come forth a rod from the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow from his roots;
2. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3. And his delight shall be in the fear of the Lord; and he shall not judge by what his eyes see, nor decide by what his ears hear.
4. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the humble of the earth; and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6. The wolf also shall live with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.


THESE THINGS CERTIANLY HAVE NOT OCCURRED

The Jesus Idea, trinity and especially the “2nd” coming are all Roman inventions

The most foundational teaching God Gave to Moses and Abraham before him is

GOD IS ONE , only one not 3 in one not …………………
GOD IS ONE

“Hear, O Israel; The Lord is God The Lord is one”

Another major Distinction God taught Abraham , which in his time was unheard and reinforce again at mount Sinai is

“15. Take therefore good heed to yourselves; for you saw no manner of form on the day when the Lord spoke to you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire;”

(Deut 4)

God is Bigger than all physicality and has no physical representation. As such is the foundation of all idolatry.

The cross and genuflexion to it, is just this

Now concerning your question of the “the prophetic signifigance of the Second Temple.”

Although the Temple had been destroyed and Jerusalem burned to the ground, the Jews and Judaism survived the encounter with Rome. The supreme legislative and judicial body, the Sanhedrin (successor of the Knesset Hagedolah) was reconvened in Yavneh (70 CE), and later in Tiberias.
Without the unifying framework of a state and the Temple, the small remaining Jewish community gradually recovered, reinforced from time to time by returning exiles. Institutional and communal life was renewed, priests were replaced by rabbis and the synagogue became the focus of the Jewish communities, as evidenced by remnants of synagogues found at Capernaum, Korazin, Bar’am, Gamla, and elsewhere. Halakhah (Jewish religious law) served as the common bond among the Jews and was passed on from generation to generation until this day and there has been nothing like this in the whole earth.
The Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites and their cultures have disappeared not the Hebrews, the Jewish people.

To believe that the Temple in Ezekiel has yet to be built discredits the work of Messiah.
And the so called New testament.
As they directly contradict the words of God in the Bible many times in many things from the Sabbath changed to Sunday, to permission to eat forbidden food as pork and negation of the Biblical holidays. Almost all the Holy things God gave to mankind as a gift the so called new testament negates, including knowledge of the 3rd Temple, which fills the images of the prophets who speak of a Temple in the “end of days, which will be rebuilt at the Time of the Redemption.
These verses make it clear beyond any doubt that the Temple described in Ezekiel has yet to be built, it was not the 2nd Temple:
1. And he brought me back to the door of the house; and, behold, waters flowed from under the threshold of the house eastward; for the front of the house faced to the east, and water run out from beneath the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2. And he brought me out by the way of the gate northward, and led me around the way outside to the outer gate by the way that faces to the east; and, behold, there ran out water on the right side.
3. And when the man who had the line in his hand went out eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the water; the water reached the ankles.
4. And he measured a thousand, and brought me through the water; the water reached the knees. And he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the water reached the loins.
5. And he measured a further thousand; and it was a stream that I could not pass over; for the water had risen, water to swim in, a stream that could not be passed over.
6. And he said to me, Son of man, have you seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the edge of the stream.
7. And when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the stream were many trees on one side and on the other.
8. And he said to me, These waters flow out towards the eastern region, and go down to the Arabah, to the sea; and when they enter the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9. And it shall come to pass, that every thing that lives, which moves, wherever the streams shall come, shall live; and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come there; for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live where the stream comes.
10. (K) And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Ein-Gedi as far as Ein-Eglayim; they shall be a place for spreading nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, a great many like the fish of the Great Sea.
11. But its swamps and its marshes shall not be healed; they shall be left for salt.
12. And by the stream, upon its bank, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for food, whose leaf shall not wither, nor shall its fruit fail; it shall bring forth fresh fruit every month, because the waters for them flow from the sanctuary; and their fruit shall be for food, and their leaves for healing.
Ezekiel Chapter 47

Also

“35. It shall be eighteen thousand measures around; and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.”

Ezekiel Chapter 48
This obviously is yet to pass
, May we see these things quickly in our days
Read the Prophesies at the link here if you have doubt or questions or interest concerning these things :
[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896767

Dear AC,
Thank you for taking the time to explain your beliefs.
You make some valid points that need to be reasoned.
Ezekiel is not a book that I've studied in depth. I will pray about this temple in Ezekiel and ask for wisdom and understanding. I don't believe that the Third Temple will be built by defiled human hands.
King David was not permitted to build the First Temple because his hands were defiled with much bloodshed. Hiram King of Tyre aided Solomon and sent Masons to build this House. The focal point of the Freemasons secret order is connected to this Temple that King Solomon built.
The goal of the Freemasons worldwide is to rebuild this Temple after the pattern of King Solomons in which the Man of Sin will sit upon the throne and declare himself to be Elohim.

It's important to understand the Tabernacle and the Temple because this was the dwelling place of YHWH's presence. It is the Secret Place of the Most High.

Psalm 27:5 For in the day of trouble He will hide me in His tabernacle; In the secret place of His tent He will hide me;

Those of us that believe that Yehoshua is the True Messiah of Israel have taken him to be their High Priest and redeemer and we are hidden in Him.
There is a beautiful picture in Torah of this. When Moses ask YHWH to see his Face YHWH would not permit him to look upon His Glory He only revealed to Moses His back. Moses being of flesh and blood would have perished had he looked upon the countenance of the Most High. It is symbolic of you and I gazing into the Sun. Would we not go blind? The only way we can see YHWH Elohim the Father is through His Son who is the express image of YHWH's face.
His Son Yehoshua was hidden in the midst of the tabernacle when Israel sojourned in the wilderness. So you and I cannot understand the meaning of the Mishkan except we see that the Mishkan represented secret of gaining access of the Most High through Yehoshua the High Priest of our Salvation.
Exodus 33:11-14
And YHWH spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
12. And Moses said unto YHWH, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou has not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.
13. Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sigh and consider that this nation is thy people.
14. And he said, My presence (Face) whall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

Who took the children of the Fathers into the Promised Land?
Yehoshua Ben Nun the servant of Moses and the Face of YHWH.

Babylon (The Roman Catholic Christian Church) has corrupted the Testimony of Yehoshua with Leaven.
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Great post, Tirzah!


Here's a little more to go with it...

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