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What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there

 
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What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there
Dmitry Orlov is a Russian who experienced the collapse of the USSR. In this article, he eloquently describes why an economic collapse here will be far worse than it was there. [link to www.energybulletin.net]

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"I've described what happened to Russia in some detail in one of my articles, which is available on SurvivingPeakOil.com. I don't see why what happens to the United States should be entirely dissimilar, at least in general terms. The specifics will be different, and we will get to them in a moment. We should certainly expect shortages of fuel, food, medicine, and countless consumer items, outages of electricity, gas, and water, breakdowns in transportation systems and other infrastructure, hyperinflation, widespread shutdowns and mass layoffs, along with a lot of despair, confusion, violence, and lawlessness. We definitely should not expect any grand rescue plans, innovative technology programs, or miracles of social cohesion...

Food. The Soviet agricultural sector was notoriously inefficient. Many people grew and gathered their own food even in relatively prosperous times. There were food warehouses in every city, stocked according to a government allocation scheme. There were very few restaurants, and most families cooked and ate at home. Shopping was rather labor-intensive, and involved carrying heavy loads. Sometimes it resembled hunting – stalking that elusive piece of meat lurking behind some store counter. So the people were well-prepared for what came next...

In the United States, most people get their food from a supermarket, which is supplied from far away using refrigerated diesel trucks. Many people don't even bother to shop and just eat fast food. When people do cook, they rarely cook from scratch. This is all very unhealthy, and the effect on the nation's girth, is visible, clear across the parking lot. A lot of the people, who just waddle to and from their cars, seem unprepared for what comes next. If they suddenly had to start living like the Russians, they would blow out their knees...

If the economy, and your place within it, is really important to you, you will be really hurt when it goes away. You can cultivate an attitude of studied indifference, but it has to be more than just a conceit. You have to develop the lifestyle and the habits and the physical stamina to back it up. It takes a lot of creativity and effort to put together a fulfilling existence on the margins of society. After the collapse, these margins may turn out to be some of the best places to live.'
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This guy is a jerk. Of course he wants to see the US fail. He's Russian and thinks that an economic collapse in the US would be worse then the collapse of the USSR. He wants to get in the news so he has to say that things would be worse and that they will happen. Nothing would make him happier then to see our standard of living approach that of the pre and post USSR collapse. Screw Russia!
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thanks for this... I see its truth..... and next year we will see our own truth......

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Re: What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there
Mr. Orlov is now a resident of the US. He is merely pointing out our lack of collapse preparedness, which will make things a lot worse. From the article above:

"From what I've seen and read, it seems that there is a fair chance that the U.S. economy will collapse sometime within the foreseeable future. It also would seem that we won't be particularly well-prepared for it. As things stand, the U.S. economy is poised to perform something like a disappearing act. And so I am eager to put my observations of the Soviet collapse to good use."

He also walks his talk. From [link to en.wikipedia.org]
In 2006 Orlov published an online manifesto, "The New Age of Sail." In 2007 he and his wife sold their apartment in Boston and bought a sailboat, fitted with solar panels and six months supply of propane, and capable of storing a large quantity of food stuffs. He calls it a “survival capsule.” He uses a bicycle for transportation. Having bartered vodka for necessities during one of trips to the post-collapse Russia, he says "When faced with a collapsing economy, one should stop thinking of wealth in terms of money."
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Re: What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there
Can we really be prepared? I have been "preparing" for disasters since the millenium -- one after another which haven't happened. Is anyone else tired of rotating their store-rooms? After awhile, you realize that you can only do so much. Who wants to live their entire life as a hermit on a subsistence farm while the rest of the world passes them by? What a waste of humankind.
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Re: What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there
This guy is a jerk. Of course he wants to see the US fail. He's Russian and thinks that an economic collapse in the US would be worse then the collapse of the USSR. He wants to get in the news so he has to say that things would be worse and that they will happen. Nothing would make him happier then to see our standard of living approach that of the pre and post USSR collapse. Screw Russia!
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I agree with some of what you say ---the guy probably wants some publicity. He would likely enjoy seeing the US economy collapse as the US standard of living is envied by most the world over and resented by many.

HOWEVER, I'm afraid he is correct about why it would be worse in our society. We do eat out a lot more because we have more restaurants and can afford to, few people in this country even know how to 'cook from scratch' --with all the frozen foods, ready-mixed boxed ingredients, an abundance of pre-cut meats, etc, it hasn't been necessary. We are more urbanized than most of the USSR was so fewer people have space to grow any of their own vegetables anymore much less can them to save for future use. Food shortages will cause a lot of havoc. The US no longer has the grain reserves they used to have because they sold them or gave them away. People will riot and loot. Many will starve.

Few large cities here have really good mass transportation and most smaller cities have little if any compared to comparable European cities where the general populace isn't wealthy enough to own a car and consequently had to develop mass transportation so people could get to their jobs. God only knows what will happen when gasoline is priced out of reach of the average person or not available at any price except to the government. But then most won't have jobs to go to anyway.

There are more reasons, but these 2 are enough to make a point. In short, we have much much farther to fall than the Russians did and it will be harder.[/b
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Re: What to expect in an economic collapse by one who was there
Sorry but the dude is right. Most of the US population is far removed from the food chain and unable to cope with hardships in shortages. Many also have the entitlement mentality that they are owed a certain standard of living, lower that standard and they will lash out like a child having a tantrum. Cities will go up in flames first, the rest will follow.





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