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The shadowy science of sex addiction

Can you be addicted to sex?

Nobody really knows for sure--though you can certainly get treated for sex addiction if you think you have it.

Last year, X-Files and Californication star David Duchovny checked into rehab for sexual addiction. After a string of women went public with claims they were mistresses of golfer Tiger Woods (the best-paid athlete on the planet and a married man), it took only days for talking heads to speculate that Woods might be an addict and need rehab.

The idea of sex as a drug is deeply seductive to journalists and reality TV producers. But the idea of being addicted to sex is actually quite controversial. No such diagnosis is even recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), psychiatry's Bible.

The DSM-IV assiduously avoids the word "addiction," preferring to talk about dependence, withdrawal and compulsion. A new condition, called hypersexuality, might be something close, but some psychiatrists bristle at the idea of talking about human sexuality as an addictive force unto itself.

"I don't buy it as a disease ... it is an excuse," says John J. Lucas, a forensic psychiatrist at Weill Cornell Medical College. In modern society, "we have an unfortunate practice of proliferating illnesses ... in response to various practices in terms of reducing the stigma of certain behaviors."

All of these categories are pretty arbitrary. Everything is comorbid with everything else and often the same drugs are used for everything. What will take precedence is merely the worst disease, so

Craig Fabrikant, a clinical psychologist at Hackensack University Medical Center, says that he doesn't believe that sex addiction exists in the same way that alcohol or cocaine addiction does. Real disorders, however, might cause behavior that is interpreted as sex addiction. For example, someone in the manic phase of bipolar disorder can be overly sexual, and a person with obsessive compulsive disorder might look at pornography frequently.

The idea of sex addiction, however, got a big boost in 1983 with the publication of a book called Out of the Shadows by Patrick Carnes, Ph.D., who has treated patients with the disorder at several clinics (he currently works at a Mississippi facility). The idea is that because sex releases dopamine in the brain and provides a momentary high just as many drugs do, problematic sexual behavior could be understood as being very much like a chemical dependency.

"I see guys who start when they are 13, and now they are 30. They've never been able to stop," says David Delmonico, a professor of counseling at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh and author of In The Shadows of The Net: Breaking Free from Compulsive Online Sexual Behavior. In order to have hypersexual disorder, Delmonico says, a person must feel as if he doesn't have the ability to stop, and think about little else but sex. Delmonico favors calling the disorder hypersexuality, and notes that it isn't easy to diagnose: It takes at least two or three hours of discussion with a patient to determine if he or she is hypersexual.

As with other compulsive behaviors like gambling and drinking, Delmonico recommends therapy and 12-step programs, although antidepressants (drugs llike Paxil or Zoloft) and antipsychotics like (these include Abilify and Zyprexa) may help. There is a report of a single case in which Topamax, an epilepsy drug, reversed hypersexuality. Testosterone suppressors are reserved for criminal sexual offenders.

There isn't a lot of science to back up this path of treatment, though. The National Institutes of Health's PubMed database lists every article published in a major medical journal going back decades. There are 67,700 references for "alcoholism" or "alcohol dependence," but just 286 studies related to "sex addiction," "hypersexuality," or "sexual dependence."

But is compulsive sexuality really similar to pathological gambling or even compulsive shopping? One small brain-imaging study says maybe not. Researchers at the University of Minnesota compared eight people who had been diagnosed with hypersexuality with others who had been diagnosed with impulse-control disorders like gambling or attention deficit disorder. There was also a control group.

The subjects were asked to look at a flashing letter on a screen, and quickly press a button if they saw any letter other than "X." Patients who have impulse disorders usually press the button more often; this held true for both the patients who had traditional problems as well as the sexually compulsive people.

Things changed, however, when the researchers had their subjects do this task inside an MRI machine. People with impulse disorders had reduced activity in the bottom front of the brain (as seen in previous experiments), but the people with sexual disorders had reduced activity at the top front of the brain, indicating that something different was going on.

Michael H. Miner, one of the University of Minnesota researchers, cautions that his study is too small to draw any firm conclusions. In his normal work, treating sexual offenders, he says that he does not believe that compulsion and bad behavior necessarily go together, and he's skeptical of calling the increased sexual behavior an addiction.

He would, however, like to do more research on it. That's difficult, he says, because there is no recognized diagnosis for people who seem sexually compulsive.

"There's a lot of conceptual writing, there's a lot of theoretical writing, there's not a great deal of empirical data," Miner says. "If this is a disorder, what is it? Is this really a disorder at all, or is it a series of symptoms that are part of something else?"

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I vote for 'morals of a rutting weasel'.
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Anything can become an addiction.
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The easiest way to rut out a shrink is to pander to his preconcieved notions, and his petty fears.

Shrinks are the problem...eduation--not pretense--is the answer.

All psychiatrists do is build a false sense of validity-responsiveness to an issue...exacerbating the problem...then they cash in.

Education for sexually piqued people will do more than a sterile mixture of idiotic denial, avoidance and acceptance psychology shrink wrapped into 13 steps.

Shrinks are the problem...they do not educate.
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The teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed.

Just as sure as there is a porn industry with many women performers and 'models' (prostitutes) there IS sex-addiction.

But it gets worse ...

What is sex addiction?

We are talking morals. Ask a pagan and they will say there is no such thing, that we are all just animals.

The Bible says to get married. God did not say to fornicate. 'Dating' is forniucating or sex-addiction. This has led to the high divorce rate.

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Historical Divorce Rate Statistics and Facts

United States

In the early part of United States history, there weren't any divorces, simply because there was no legal way that a couple could end their marriage. In 1701, couples in Maryland were given the right to divorce. If you happened to live in South Carolina, you would have to wait until 1949 to be able to do so.

According to statistics gathered by the US Census Bureau, in 1900 the rate of divorce for males was 84 per 100,000 and 114 per 100,000 for women. The rate grew steadily as the 20th century went on, and during the Great Depression of the 1930s, it was sitting at 489 per 100,000 for men and 572 per 100,000 for women.

After World War II, the divorce rate continued to increase. In 1950, the rate was sitting at 1,070 per 100,000 for men and 1,373 per 100,000 for women. Historical divorce rate statistics continued to rise steadily, and the numbers took a big jump in the 1970s. This may have been due to the fact that the Seventies were the decade when no-fault divorce was first made available.

Before that point, anyone who wanted to end their marriage was going to have to prove allegations of adultery or cruelty. Being able to get a divorce based on the fact that the marriage had broken down or irreconcilable differences may have been a factor in the increase in divorce rates during this decade. By 1980, divorce rates for men had grown to 4,539 per 100,000 for males and 6,577 per 100,000 for females.

According to the most recent statistics gathered by the US Census Bureau (2000), the divorce rate for men was 9,255 per 100,000 and 12,305 per 100,000 for women.

Canada

In Canada, divorce was not a common occurrence until after the end of the Second World War. According to figures collected by Statistics Canada, the divorce rate in 1921 was 6.4 per 100,000 people. This rate did continue to rise through the subsequent decades, despite the fact that until 1968, the only way that a couple could get a divorce was to make an application to the Senate. After an investigation, if the case had merit, a special Act of Parliament was needed to end the marriage.

In 1968, the Divorce Act came into effect. Couples could be granted a divorce on the grounds of adultery, cruelty, desertion, imprisonment, or separation for three years. As a result, the divorce rate increased to 54.8 per 100,000. Another big jump in the divorce rate occurred in 1985, when divorce laws were amended again. At that point, the Act was changed to allow couples to divorce after being separated for one year.

Divorce rates in 1985 were 253.6 per 100,000 people. The peak year as far as divorce rates in Canada is concerned was 1987, when the rate was 362.3 per 100,000. By 1995, the rate had dropped to 262.2 per 100,000.
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It was done to society on purpose by the marxist social engineers using the schools the media and the divorce courts.


Abandon the schools, yes?
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its deep yoga.all good
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I vote for 'morals of a rutting weasel'.
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I'd love to morally ruttle your weasel, Rev wink wink wink
I think EAT is a pretty cool guy, eh predicts earthquakes and doesn't afraid of anything
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The teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed.

Just as sure as there is a porn industry with many women performers and 'models' (prostitutes) there IS sex-addiction.

But it gets worse ...

What is sex addiction?

We are talking morals. Ask a pagan and they will say there is no such thing, that we are all just animals.

The Bible says to get married. God did not say to fornicate. 'Dating' is forniucating or sex-addiction. This has led to the high divorce rate.

___


Historical Divorce Rate Statistics and Facts

United States

In the early part of United States history, there weren't any divorces, simply because there was no legal way that a couple could end their marriage. In 1701, couples in Maryland were given the right to divorce. If you happened to live in South Carolina, you would have to wait until 1949 to be able to do so.

According to statistics gathered by the US Census Bureau, in 1900 the rate of divorce for males was 84 per 100,000 and 114 per 100,000 for women. The rate grew steadily as the 20th century went on, and during the Great Depression of the 1930s, it was sitting at 489 per 100,000 for men and 572 per 100,000 for women.

After World War II, the divorce rate continued to increase. In 1950, the rate was sitting at 1,070 per 100,000 for men and 1,373 per 100,000 for women. Historical divorce rate statistics continued to rise steadily, and the numbers took a big jump in the 1970s. This may have been due to the fact that the Seventies were the decade when no-fault divorce was first made available.

Before that point, anyone who wanted to end their marriage was going to have to prove allegations of adultery or cruelty. Being able to get a divorce based on the fact that the marriage had broken down or irreconcilable differences may have been a factor in the increase in divorce rates during this decade. By 1980, divorce rates for men had grown to 4,539 per 100,000 for males and 6,577 per 100,000 for females.

According to the most recent statistics gathered by the US Census Bureau (2000), the divorce rate for men was 9,255 per 100,000 and 12,305 per 100,000 for women.

Canada

In Canada, divorce was not a common occurrence until after the end of the Second World War. According to figures collected by Statistics Canada, the divorce rate in 1921 was 6.4 per 100,000 people. This rate did continue to rise through the subsequent decades, despite the fact that until 1968, the only way that a couple could get a divorce was to make an application to the Senate. After an investigation, if the case had merit, a special Act of Parliament was needed to end the marriage.

In 1968, the Divorce Act came into effect. Couples could be granted a divorce on the grounds of adultery, cruelty, desertion, imprisonment, or separation for three years. As a result, the divorce rate increased to 54.8 per 100,000. Another big jump in the divorce rate occurred in 1985, when divorce laws were amended again. At that point, the Act was changed to allow couples to divorce after being separated for one year.

Divorce rates in 1985 were 253.6 per 100,000 people. The peak year as far as divorce rates in Canada is concerned was 1987, when the rate was 362.3 per 100,000. By 1995, the rate had dropped to 262.2 per 100,000.
[link to divorce.lovetoknow.com]


It was done to society on purpose by the marxist social engineers using the schools the media and the divorce courts.


Abandon the schools, yes?
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Do not do this, unless you place groveling, validation-seeking, victimization loving, psychiatric psychosis as a paragon of virtue.

Teach educated sex and put sex therapists out of business.

Shrinks don't have the tools to deal with phobias and fears about sex. Sexually intelligent people must swoop in to save teh entire subject matter from the shrinks.

Trust me...the last 50 years the shrinks have done a piss por job of helping out. They've created the problems.

Porn is not the solution. Sexual intelligence is the solution. Out with the shrinks...and the pornno dinks.

In with the winks an eyeful.
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Of course its a disorder. But unless you actually have it, you won't really understand of feel just how much of a real disorder it is.
Just like alcoholism, drug, food addiction.
Those who have gone through withdrawal and sex and love addiction know just how painful and hard the detox really.
Take it from someone with experience here.
It's real and those who call it a moral problem are just ignorant to this fact.
If you think for a moment that sex addiction doesn't get you to a low bottom and that eventually, it won't kill you, take you to jail, make you insane or take everyone you love away from you, the you are also ignorant to this real disease.
The sad thing is that 40% of people today are sex and love addicts and don't even know it nor get help. Because of the way everything is sexualized in our society.
With education and awareness, this will change of course, but it will take an open mind, from society as a whole, and it's just beginning to gain some momentum, but it will be a slow road.
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They teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed.


Abandon the schools, yes?
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Do not do this, unless you place groveling, validation-seeking, victimization loving, psychiatric psychosis as a paragon of virtue.

Teach educated sex and put sex therapists out of business.


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"They teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed."
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Of course its a disorder. But unless you actually have it, you won't really understand of feel just how much of a real disorder it is.
Just like alcoholism, drug, food addiction.
Those who have gone through withdrawal and sex and love addiction know just how painful and hard the detox really.
Take it from someone with experience here.
It's real and those who call it a moral problem are just ignorant to this fact.
If you think for a moment that sex addiction doesn't get you to a low bottom and that eventually, it won't kill you, take you to jail, make you insane or take everyone you love away from you, the you are also ignorant to this real disease.
The sad thing is that 40% of people today are sex and love addicts and don't even know it nor get help. Because of the way everything is sexualized in our society.
With education and awareness, this will change of course, but it will take an open mind, from society as a whole, and it's just beginning to gain some momentum, but it will be a slow road.
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People that categorize life choices into a "disorder" tend to dissociate responsibility.

Then shrinks show up and engage in psychiatric narcisstic personality disorder, and the person further dissociates his actions and responsibility.

Sexual intelligence not only provides necessary experiences--it also provides ability and erudition.

I don't need sex anymore...because I've seen the best sex there is. It is not pretentious, and it is not porn.

It is so far beyond our conceptions of negotiation, denial and a half a dozen other idiotic psychiatric terms that make no sense and offer no solutions.

Sexual intelligence will sublimate sexual ignorance that manifests itself in compulsion...and I defy ALL THE PROFESSION OF PSYCHIATRY REGARDING THIS.
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i'll buy that, the same sort of mentality that brought the drunkard to the bottle for the very first time, also brought the sex addict to the strip club or pornography or prostitute for the first time. non of those things are sex by the way. sex is when you and your date have foreplay/intercourse.
not someone sitting in front of their computer with barbed wire wrapped around their thing.

yes , i agree. this is a behaviour/choice issue. behaviours and choices are built on a person's morality. it's hard to argue the case of sex ever being an addiction. sex is a necessity of life because sex is the prerequisite to life. "sex addicts become upset when told to stop, uhhh that's a sign of addiction" the problem is
a person with a so called normal sex life would have the same reaction if told they could no longer do whatever they do. on the other hand, an occasional drinker would
likely not feel any adverse emotional reaction to the thought of never drinking alcohol again.

a person who has a moral system in place, which is against
promiscuity likely has the same thoughts and temptations a so called sex addict has. the difference is, one associates their personal integrity with their maintaining their moral system. the other person doesn't and dives in.

i'm not endorsing either of them here.
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They teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed.


Abandon the schools, yes?
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Do not do this, unless you place groveling, validation-seeking, victimization loving, psychiatric psychosis as a paragon of virtue.

Teach educated sex and put sex therapists out of business.



"They teach sex-addiction is the government schools, called sex-ed."
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Not in schools...in churches...upon marriage...

Have couple who are experts in this knoweldge bring the newlyweds into windowless studio and SHOW THEM SEX.

Point and explain and discuss and let them learn the way it was taught for 1000 years by the very best...

Before we placed the hinky dink Stuart Smalley/Drew Pinksy types on a pedestal and said they even knew what the hell they were talking about. They are arrogance and ignorance combined...a mentally lethal combination.
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I vote for 'morals of a rutting weasel'.
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Ditto! If human's don't have the capacity for self control then that makes them lower than animals.
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The real sex addicts are the fourth dimensional entities who use us as sex toys.
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What is and what is not a "disorder" is voted upon by a group of psychiatrists.

Depending on the mental health and proclivities of that group things become disorders. Or conversely un-become disorders!

Virtually no idiosyncracy is a disorder unless it is interferring with your ability to function in a way that produces a satisfying and constructive life style (and doesn't leave a wake of chaos in your track for someone else to attend to.)

The part in parentheses is necessary because people with disorders sometimes are unaware of the chaos. Heh.
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The real sex addicts are the fourth dimensional entities who use us as sex toys.
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Explain.
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The shadowy science of sex addiction

Can you be addicted to sex?

Nobody really knows for sure--though you can certainly get treated for sex addiction if you think you have it.

Last year, X-Files and Californication star David Duchovny checked into rehab for sexual addiction. After a string of women went public with claims they were mistresses of golfer Tiger Woods (the best-paid athlete on the planet and a married man), it took only days for talking heads to speculate that Woods might be an addict and need rehab.

The idea of sex as a drug is deeply seductive to journalists and reality TV producers. But the idea of being addicted to sex is actually quite controversial. No such diagnosis is even recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), psychiatry's Bible.

The DSM-IV assiduously avoids the word "addiction," preferring to talk about dependence, withdrawal and compulsion. A new condition, called hypersexuality, might be something close, but some psychiatrists bristle at the idea of talking about human sexuality as an addictive force unto itself.

"I don't buy it as a disease ... it is an excuse," says John J. Lucas, a forensic psychiatrist at Weill Cornell Medical College. In modern society, "we have an unfortunate practice of proliferating illnesses ... in response to various practices in terms of reducing the stigma of certain behaviors."

All of these categories are pretty arbitrary. Everything is comorbid with everything else and often the same drugs are used for everything. What will take precedence is merely the worst disease, so

Craig Fabrikant, a clinical psychologist at Hackensack University Medical Center, says that he doesn't believe that sex addiction exists in the same way that alcohol or cocaine addiction does. Real disorders, however, might cause behavior that is interpreted as sex addiction. For example, someone in the manic phase of bipolar disorder can be overly sexual, and a person with obsessive compulsive disorder might look at pornography frequently.

The idea of sex addiction, however, got a big boost in 1983 with the publication of a book called Out of the Shadows by Patrick Carnes, Ph.D., who has treated patients with the disorder at several clinics (he currently works at a Mississippi facility). The idea is that because sex releases dopamine in the brain and provides a momentary high just as many drugs do, problematic sexual behavior could be understood as being very much like a chemical dependency.

"I see guys who start when they are 13, and now they are 30. They've never been able to stop," says David Delmonico, a professor of counseling at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh and author of In The Shadows of The Net: Breaking Free from Compulsive Online Sexual Behavior. In order to have hypersexual disorder, Delmonico says, a person must feel as if he doesn't have the ability to stop, and think about little else but sex. Delmonico favors calling the disorder hypersexuality, and notes that it isn't easy to diagnose: It takes at least two or three hours of discussion with a patient to determine if he or she is hypersexual.

As with other compulsive behaviors like gambling and drinking, Delmonico recommends therapy and 12-step programs, although antidepressants (drugs llike Paxil or Zoloft) and antipsychotics like (these include Abilify and Zyprexa) may help. There is a report of a single case in which Topamax, an epilepsy drug, reversed hypersexuality. Testosterone suppressors are reserved for criminal sexual offenders.

There isn't a lot of science to back up this path of treatment, though. The National Institutes of Health's PubMed database lists every article published in a major medical journal going back decades. There are 67,700 references for "alcoholism" or "alcohol dependence," but just 286 studies related to "sex addiction," "hypersexuality," or "sexual dependence."

But is compulsive sexuality really similar to pathological gambling or even compulsive shopping? One small brain-imaging study says maybe not. Researchers at the University of Minnesota compared eight people who had been diagnosed with hypersexuality with others who had been diagnosed with impulse-control disorders like gambling or attention deficit disorder. There was also a control group.

The subjects were asked to look at a flashing letter on a screen, and quickly press a button if they saw any letter other than "X." Patients who have impulse disorders usually press the button more often; this held true for both the patients who had traditional problems as well as the sexually compulsive people.

Things changed, however, when the researchers had their subjects do this task inside an MRI machine. People with impulse disorders had reduced activity in the bottom front of the brain (as seen in previous experiments), but the people with sexual disorders had reduced activity at the top front of the brain, indicating that something different was going on.

Michael H. Miner, one of the University of Minnesota researchers, cautions that his study is too small to draw any firm conclusions. In his normal work, treating sexual offenders, he says that he does not believe that compulsion and bad behavior necessarily go together, and he's skeptical of calling the increased sexual behavior an addiction.

He would, however, like to do more research on it. That's difficult, he says, because there is no recognized diagnosis for people who seem sexually compulsive.

"There's a lot of conceptual writing, there's a lot of theoretical writing, there's not a great deal of empirical data," Miner says. "If this is a disorder, what is it? Is this really a disorder at all, or is it a series of symptoms that are part of something else?"

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a string of abadoned kids is the sure sign.. these guys only want the new ass for awhile, then they move on..... Females stop birthing kids , it makes you poorer later on trying to support a kid ... get fixed cause a child will hold hold your relationship together anyway . old tradational ideas on starting a family after you married, are just down right long term economic suicide .. wake up.. we live in the new world now of many partners during a lifetime.. females do not tie your selfs down with a family cause you stay broke and nearly homeless later on trying to support that family.
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Anything can become an addiction.
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This. There is no such thing as a 'Sex Addict' or 'Nymphomaniac' (you learn this after 3 years of Psychology). There is only a 'person addicted to.. sex'.
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Addiction is a behavioral 'disorder', an ailment much like depression, anxiety, etc. It is a mental/emotional disorder as such it should be treated as a medical condition.

I think that the use of 'disease' is wrong only as in the technical sense.

The addicts are correct, they are suffering from a disorder/illness. Incorrect to call it a disease (technically) but correct in the concept of illness over a matter of will.
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Anything can become an addiction.


This. There is no such thing as a 'Sex Addict' or 'Nymphomaniac' (you learn this after 3 years of Psychology). There is only a 'person addicted to.. sex'.
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Changing terms does not either quantify the problem or solve it. It is just useless corporate lingo to be used at dinner parties to pretend at intelligence.

Sexually educate the frustrated persona and let that education solve the myriad frustrations.

Psychology is rank and disgusting in that it self-glorifies and then conflagrates the problems that it fails to solve.

Sexual intelligence will do more for sexual frustration than the pretentious mutli-syllable words and the raised eyebrows of the bottom feeders of society--name the shrinks.
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Re: Sex addiction: Is it a real disorder, or is it just a way to excuse having the morals of a rutting weasel?
IT's a real disorder.

Part of it is a personality disorder of dependency. Many addicts are codependent/dependent personalities and that is the emotionally and psychologically compulsive part addiction.

One example of a budding sex addict would be that teenaged girl who has an abusive home life with an alcoholic parent and she sleeps around with all the boys to get some attention and brief, phony feelings of being loved and appreciated. Only she's not being loved, she's being used as a sex object.

Another example of a sex addict is Tiger Woods, who's obviously been feeding womens' belief that he's their man. He's getting some kind of narcissistic feed out of playing Big Boyfriend to the flood of low-income women and prostitutes he wallows in.

There's a difference between sex addicts and people with overactive sex lives. Sex addicts are sick, clingy, manipulative, needy or narcissistic people who use sex to either feed their compulsion.

People who like a lot of sex tend to just have that without all the weird psychological aspects.
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Hello. My name is Jake and I'm a sex addict.
Pardon me for interrupting your premature celebration, but I thought it only fair to give you a sporting chance as you are new to this game.
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Orgasms cause dopamine to be released, and there's no argument that people get addicted to that.
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IT's a real disorder.

Part of it is a personality disorder of dependency. Many addicts are codependent/dependent personalities and that is the emotionally and psychologically compulsive part addiction.

One example of a budding sex addict would be that teenaged girl who has an abusive home life with an alcoholic parent and she sleeps around with all the boys to get some attention and brief, phony feelings of being loved and appreciated. Only she's not being loved, she's being used as a sex object.

Another example of a sex addict is Tiger Woods, who's obviously been feeding womens' belief that he's their man. He's getting some kind of narcissistic feed out of playing Big Boyfriend to the flood of low-income women and prostitutes he wallows in.

There's a difference between sex addicts and people with overactive sex lives. Sex addicts are sick, clingy, manipulative, needy or narcissistic people who use sex to either feed their compulsion.

People who like a lot of sex tend to just have that without all the weird psychological aspects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 852424

You are using abstractions to categorize and utterly failing to understand what you are talking about.

Sexual frustration is marked by a compulsion to abreact or act out in sexual ways.

Sexual intelligence provides the tools necessary to make those abreactions focused in a completion or sated and satisfied way...thus absolving the person of the frustrations.

I used your worthless terms to frame a cogent argument that even shrinks cannot refute.

Sexual intelligence will help you Jake. Not a bunch of voodoo witch doctors using fifty cent words to obfuscate what they mean.

Listen to me. Acquire sexual intelligence and focus your frustration in positive ways (caring relationship that intelligently fulfill you).

Go to the sacred sex thread and read. Then find a woman smart enough to want the same things.

Then fire your shrink.
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Re: Sex addiction: Is it a real disorder, or is it just a way to excuse having the morals of a rutting weasel?
Of course its a disorder. But unless you actually have it, you won't really understand of feel just how much of a real disorder it is.
Just like alcoholism, drug, food addiction.
Those who have gone through withdrawal and sex and love addiction know just how painful and hard the detox really.
Take it from someone with experience here.
It's real and those who call it a moral problem are just ignorant to this fact.
If you think for a moment that sex addiction doesn't get you to a low bottom and that eventually, it won't kill you, take you to jail, make you insane or take everyone you love away from you, the you are also ignorant to this real disease.
The sad thing is that 40% of people today are sex and love addicts and don't even know it nor get help. Because of the way everything is sexualized in our society.
With education and awareness, this will change of course, but it will take an open mind, from society as a whole, and it's just beginning to gain some momentum, but it will be a slow road.


People that categorize life choices into a "disorder" tend to dissociate responsibility.

Then shrinks show up and engage in psychiatric narcisstic personality disorder, and the person further dissociates his actions and responsibility.

Sexual intelligence not only provides necessary experiences--it also provides ability and erudition.

I don't need sex anymore...because I've seen the best sex there is. It is not pretentious, and it is not porn.

It is so far beyond our conceptions of negotiation, denial and a half a dozen other idiotic psychiatric terms that make no sense and offer no solutions.

Sexual intelligence will sublimate sexual ignorance that manifests itself in compulsion...and I defy ALL THE PROFESSION OF PSYCHIATRY REGARDING THIS.
 Quoting: Vedic Medic


Vedic, I'm around sex addicts all the time. I a recovery settingma and I can tell you because they see what they have a disorder doesn't make them to disassociate any responsibility.
These people are working 24/7 on recovering from a real addiction. Whichever way you want to look at it, or name it, i take it you're not a sex addict, now do you work closely with them.
The mumbo jumbo of words is totally irrelevant. All that matters is that these people recoverr, get help, and start to live lives of integrity and fulfillment which is exactly what sex addiction robs them off.
A recovering addicts, you will see that their main focus is taking responsibility.
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I watch NO MOVIES AT ALL except for a morning viewing of the PASSION OF THE CHRIST and then in the afternoon a second movie, any one of KIRK CAMERON'S FINE CHRISTIAN FILMS!

For these movies cause no STIRRING in my LOINS! Yea, they do not seek to lift up the Devil's own JOYSTICK, the evil and cursed SAUSAGE, the MAN-MEAT, the GREAT WHOPPING ONE-EYED TROUSER SNAKE of HELL ITSELF!
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mental illness for sure.
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Vedic, I'm around sex addicts all the time. I a recovery settingma and I can tell you because they see what they have a disorder doesn't make them to disassociate any responsibility.
These people are working 24/7 on recovering from a real addiction. Whichever way you want to look at it, or name it, i take it you're not a sex addict, now do you work closely with them.
The mumbo jumbo of words is totally irrelevant. All that matters is that these people recoverr, get help, and start to live lives of integrity and fulfillment which is exactly what sex addiction robs them off.
A recovering addicts, you will see that their main focus is taking responsibility.
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You have so much goodwill in your heart. I wish that you could see that your post didn't provide any solutions...only a righteous zeal to help.

Here is my advice.

Take them to the sacred sex thread. Have them read the myriad techniques and explanations.

Reinforce for them that sexual frustration can be alleviated by sexual knoweldge and full sexual satiety can be attained.

Place them similar thinking people.

Shrinks need to create mental hobgoblins. They need to feel that everyone is one of those broken and hodgepodge toys at the neighbor kid's house in Toy Story.

When you understand that sexual zeal is not a disease, but a catalyst for greater things, you will unlock the potential of these supposed "addicts".

They need knowledge...not patronizing and unclear platitudes.
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I watch NO MOVIES AT ALL except for a morning viewing of the PASSION OF THE CHRIST and then in the afternoon a second movie, any one of KIRK CAMERON'S FINE CHRISTIAN FILMS!

For these movies cause no STIRRING in my LOINS! Yea, they do not seek to lift up the Devil's own JOYSTICK, the evil and cursed SAUSAGE, the MAN-MEAT, the GREAT WHOPPING ONE-EYED TROUSER SNAKE of HELL ITSELF!
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This reminds me of Little Richard's song "Tutty Fruity".
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IT's a real disorder.

Part of it is a personality disorder of dependency. Many addicts are codependent/dependent personalities and that is the emotionally and psychologically compulsive part addiction.

One example of a budding sex addict would be that teenaged girl who has an abusive home life with an alcoholic parent and she sleeps around with all the boys to get some attention and brief, phony feelings of being loved and appreciated. Only she's not being loved, she's being used as a sex object.

Another example of a sex addict is Tiger Woods, who's obviously been feeding womens' belief that he's their man. He's getting some kind of narcissistic feed out of playing Big Boyfriend to the flood of low-income women and prostitutes he wallows in.

There's a difference between sex addicts and people with overactive sex lives. Sex addicts are sick, clingy, manipulative, needy or narcissistic people who use sex to either feed their compulsion.

People who like a lot of sex tend to just have that without all the weird psychological aspects.



You are using abstractions to categorize and utterly failing to understand what you are talking about.

Sexual frustration is marked by a compulsion to abreact or act out in sexual ways.

Sexual intelligence provides the tools necessary to make those abreactions focused in a completion or sated and satisfied way...thus absolving the person of the frustrations.

I used your worthless terms to frame a cogent argument that even shrinks cannot refute.

Sexual intelligence will help you Jake. Not a bunch of voodoo witch doctors using fifty cent words to obfuscate what they mean.

Listen to me. Acquire sexual intelligence and focus your frustration in positive ways (caring relationship that intelligently fulfill you).

Go to the sacred sex thread and read. Then find a woman smart enough to want the same things.

Then fire your shrink.
 Quoting: Vedic Medic


Actually, you're the one using mumbo-jumbo abstractions and vague hand-waving to push your agenda.

Sex addiction is self-destructive, pathological behavior that is different from normal sexual behavior, even sexual frustration.

If you struggle so much with your sexual frustration that you don't see a difference between your own issues and clinically disturbed behavior of sex addicts, you have issues of your own.

Yes, all of us experience sexual frustration and normal sexual urges. Not all of us have to resort to special training and discipline to cope with it like you apparently do.

Um, thanks for your advice but I'm not a sex addict, fool.





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