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anonanon User ID: 864148 United Kingdom 01/13/2010 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gentleiman is correct. Much of it is unconstitutional and based on the premise that it is within the federal powers to regulate health care practices. It is not and all those opposed need to be funneling money into a fund that will challenge it in the federal courts and the Supreme Court. Has to be done immediately upon passage so the court can be asked to issue an order that prevents any and all imposition of taxes based on an unconstitional law as well as an order that prevents the creation of any of the 100 or so new federal agencies the law would create. I would think that those who put together the Tea Bag Parties would be the people to do this. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 768085 United States 01/13/2010 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gentleiman is correct. Much of it is unconstitutional and based on the premise that it is within the federal powers to regulate health care practices. Quoting: anonanon 864148It is not and all those opposed need to be funneling money into a fund that will challenge it in the federal courts and the Supreme Court. Has to be done immediately upon passage so the court can be asked to issue an order that prevents any and all imposition of taxes based on an unconstitional law as well as an order that prevents the creation of any of the 100 or so new federal agencies the law would create. I would think that those who put together the Tea Bag Parties would be the people to do this. I agree with that! It will pass, but people must challenge these violations in court. |
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THOR User ID: 560192 United States 01/13/2010 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768085lol... Vote them out? And replace them with more thieves with the same agenda? lol.... Got rope? That sends a clear message to mobsters. It's like the big kid in the school taking your lunch money. He'll do it till you stop him.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 768085 United States 01/13/2010 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: THORlol... Vote them out? And replace them with more thieves with the same agenda? lol.... Got rope? That sends a clear message to mobsters. It's like the big kid in the school taking your lunch money. He'll do it till you stop him.... Well, what do you suggest we do? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 792569 United States 01/13/2010 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768085start in MASS and ted kennedys VACANT SEAT ... DO NOT VOTE IN THE DEMOCRAT in this race .... if you know anyone in MASS please explain to them to please vote in the lessor of two evils ( republican ) for the moment so we can get rid of the 60 vote stranglehold in snate and SLOW DOWN all this crap for a minute there is a chance to stop HEALTHCARE bill if mass does right thing and puts the republican in the seat for a bit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 852270 United States 01/13/2010 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I still think we should all be on the same plan as Congress is right now! They, by law, cannot make us do something they do not have to do. But you can be sure, they have no intention of changing their healthcare plan. AND what about government employees? Will they be under this new plan? I would be surprised if they were. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 792569 United States 01/13/2010 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792569start in MASS and ted kennedys VACANT SEAT ... DO NOT VOTE IN THE DEMOCRAT in this race .... if you know anyone in MASS please explain to them to please vote in the lessor of two evils ( republican ) for the moment so we can get rid of the 60 vote stranglehold in snate and SLOW DOWN all this crap for a minute there is a chance to stop HEALTHCARE bill if mass does right thing and puts the republican in the seat for a bit that Scott guy that is running republican for that seat had a GREAT statemnet in one and only debate .. a debate in which he killed the democrat the liberal moderator asked him if he was prepared to kill the health care bill if elected and how could he do that knowing he was taking over TED KENNEDYS SEAT ?? he responded ... THIS IS NOT TED KENNEDYS SEAT or THE DEMOCRATS SEAT ... IT IS THE PEOPLES SEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking awesome imho |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 793891 United States 01/13/2010 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't take a constitutional lawyer to know that the bill is unconstitutional. I think it is a ploy to tax the shit out of us for a "good cause". The courts declare it unconstitutional before the "benefits" ever start and they keep the money. Our government needs an enema! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 768085 United States 01/13/2010 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792569start in MASS and ted kennedys VACANT SEAT ... DO NOT VOTE IN THE DEMOCRAT in this race .... if you know anyone in MASS please explain to them to please vote in the lessor of two evils ( republican ) for the moment so we can get rid of the 60 vote stranglehold in snate and SLOW DOWN all this crap for a minute there is a chance to stop HEALTHCARE bill if mass does right thing and puts the republican in the seat for a bit that Scott guy that is running republican for that seat had a GREAT statemnet in one and only debate .. a debate in which he killed the democrat the liberal moderator asked him if he was prepared to kill the health care bill if elected and how could he do that knowing he was taking over TED KENNEDYS SEAT ?? he responded ... THIS IS NOT TED KENNEDYS SEAT or THE DEMOCRATS SEAT ... IT IS THE PEOPLES SEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fucking awesome imho Everyone in the house and senate needs to be reminded of that fact!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 108458 United States 01/13/2010 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768085lol... Vote them out? And replace them with more thieves with the same agenda? lol.... Got rope? That sends a clear message to mobsters. It's like the big kid in the school taking your lunch money. He'll do it till you stop him.... Well, what do you suggest we do? Not the answer but:A good old fashioned tar and feathering, televised of course, would be a good start.. And since I for one do not like to waste fuel. I would set them on fire and let the homeless around DC warm themselves. Listen folks the Gov. will not hesitate to use violence against you we should also not shy from the righteous use of force to secure our INDIVIDUAL freedom which, by the way, is what they are supposed to be doing |
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2012gregg User ID: 825688 United States 01/13/2010 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to vote OUT any of these fuckers that vote for this thing. It's the only peaceful way to send them the message. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768085all of 'em, republicans and democrats from here on out, 3rd party candidates all the way!!! in5D: [link to www.in5d.com] Maya 2012: [link to www.maya12-21-2012.com] in5d YouTube Channel: [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 768085 United States 01/13/2010 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is just more of the same old claims... "it includes rationing." Well, sure, though far LESS rationing than what we have now, fucktards. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 864178When they take that respirator away from you or someone you care about because someone else is more deserving of it, we shall see! The FED is going to tell you what you need and make your health decision for you!!! Wake up! |
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ShadowDancer User ID: 287857 United States 01/13/2010 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read most of it but few were listening-so they will figure it out soon enough I have health care now but if I did not I would not want what they are offering-genocide wrapped in a bow...and illegal and egregious Worst, far worst than what Veterans receive at leas they have review but in the current bill whatever the 'healthcare czar' says goes-NO REVIEW It is a transfer of power and also mandating illegal acts as acceptable...when it clearly IS NOT ************************************ fortitudo et spes ************************************ When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has. Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator +++++++++++++++ "Ego et Dominus sumus amici" +++++++++++++++ Ego et mea umbra +++++++++++++++ 'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’ - U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Realeyesrealizereallies. C. Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27) Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2) Thread: I Do Not Consent Thread: FOOD Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35) Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10) Thread: Destination Maccabees Thread: Let's Play a GAME Thread: Throat Singing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17061 United States 01/13/2010 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bottom line is that this Bill, should it become law, is unconstitutional. Im not going to worry about it because I'm not going to obey it anyway. If I am arrested for it so be it. I am not going to follow an unconstitutional piece of legislation. The power of our government is limited. They may not think so themselves, but that is the reality of it. Just don't obey it. its really that simple. |
Zephyr333 User ID: 860438 United States 01/13/2010 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bottom line is that this Bill, should it become law, is unconstitutional. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17061Im not going to worry about it because I'm not going to obey it anyway. If I am arrested for it so be it. I am not going to follow an unconstitutional piece of legislation. The power of our government is limited. They may not think so themselves, but that is the reality of it. Just don't obey it. its really that simple. It will never ever be applied. "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave." Diogenes "Some have little power to do good, and have likewise little strength to resist evil" (Samuel Johnson). "The basic difference between an ordinary man and a warrior is that a warrior takes everything as a challenge, while an ordinary man takes everything as a blessing or as a curse."--Don Juan |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 864202 United States 01/13/2010 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The democRATS in the CONgress apparently need more of the taxpayers' money to throw into their bottomless moneypit, since they clearly are in league with the banksters. AND they are undoubtedly practically dizzy with the power trip euphoria they are experiencing as they strip the average American citizen of all of their GOD-given rights. Ironically, the most uneducated, physically unfit,and unhealthy cohort of the population, who elected these scamming flim flammers, are the same individuals who will be deemed unworthy and unsalvageable when they experience their "cardiac events" and metastatic cancer, despite the $TRILLIONS of dollars we don't have, that will be thrown down this rat hole. |
Tann3100 User ID: 864205 United States 01/13/2010 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hell they cant even manage Tribal Healthcare I couldnt imagine a whole country there trying to do this to. Until the American people rise up they will keep trying to pluck away at those rights so many hold dear. May the Great SPirit bless you Take Care Tann |
Resister User ID: 669410 United States 01/13/2010 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security" If this bill passes, it is time to exersise the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |