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*** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
This war was fought to PRESERVE STATES and INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and prevent a centralized FEDERAL AUTHORITY from consolidating POWER in D.C.

Well its obvious the North Won as we now have a death grip upon us of FEDEARL POWER from D.C.

there WERE HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of BLACK MEN who fought and DIED bravely and SINCERELY for the SOUTH...

Everyone had figured out by the start of the war both BLACK and WHITE that slavery was at its natural END...

The untold STORIES of the blacks who served with honor is below and been swept from American history begining at the turn of the last century by progressives with an agenda ...

here is only part of their untold STORY!!!


Black Confederates Why haven't we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, "I don't want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910" Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a "cover-up" which started back in 1865. He writes, "During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where 'soldier' is crossed out and 'body servant' inserted, or 'teamster' on pension applications." Another black historian, Roland Young, says he is not surprised that blacks fought. He explains that "some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country" and that by doing so they were "demonstrating it's possible to hate the system of slavery and love one's country." This is the very same reaction that most African Americans showed during the American Revolution, where they fought for the colonies, even though the British offered them freedom if they fought for them.

It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, "Will you fight?" Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that "biracial units" were frequently organized "by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids". Dr. Leonard Haynes, an African-American professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

As the war came to an end, the Confederacy took progressive measures to build back up its army. The creation of the Confederate States Colored Troops, copied after the segregated northern colored troops, came too late to be successful. Had the Confederacy been successful, it would have created the world's largest armies (at the time) consisting of black soldiers,even larger than that of the North. This would have given the future of the Confederacy a vastly different appearance than what modern day racist or anti-Confederate liberals conjecture. Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war.

1. The "Richmond Howitzers" were partially manned by black militiamen. They saw action at 1st Manassas (or 1st Battle of Bull Run) where they operated battery no. 2. In addition two black "regiments", one free and one slave, participated in the battle on behalf of the South. "Many colored people were killed in the action", recorded John Parker, a former slave.

2. At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 35th Texas Cavalry, Confederate States Army, became it's 3rd Sergeant. Higher ranking black commissioned officers served in militia units, but this was on the State militia level (Louisiana)and not in the regular C.S. Army.

3. Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year).

4. Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson's occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: "Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc.....and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army."

5. Frederick Douglas reported, "There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels."

6. Black and white militiamen returned heavy fire on Union troops at the Battle of Griswoldsville (near Macon, GA). Approximately 600 boys and elderly men were killed in this skirmish.

7. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan that proposed the emancipation of slaves, in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. France showed interest but Britain refused.

8. The Jackson Battalion included two companies of black soldiers. They saw combat at Petersburg under Col. Shipp. "My men acted with utmost promptness and goodwill...Allow me to state sir that they behaved in an extraordinary acceptable manner."

9. Recently the National Park Service, with a recent discovery, recognized that blacks were asked to help defend the city of Petersburg, Virginia and were offered their freedom if they did so. Regardless of their official classification, black Americans performed support functions that in today's army many would be classified as official military service. The successes of white Confederate troops in battle, could only have been achieved with the support these loyal black Southerners.

10. Confederate General John B. Gordon (Army of Northern Virginia) reported that all of his troops were in favor of Colored troops and that it's adoption would have "greatly encouraged the army". Gen. Lee was anxious to receive regiments of black soldiers. The Richmond Sentinel reported on 24 Mar 1864, "None will deny that our servants are more worthy of respect than the motley hordes which come against us." "Bad faith [to black Confederates] must be avoided as an indelible dishonor."

11. In March 1865, Judah P. Benjamin, Confederate Secretary Of State, promised freedom for blacks who served from the State of Virginia. Authority for this was finally received from the State of Virginia and on April 1st 1865, $100 bounties were offered to black soldiers. Benjamin exclaimed, "Let us say to every Negro who wants to go into the ranks, go and fight, and you are free Fight for your masters and you shall have your freedom." Confederate Officers were ordered to treat them humanely and protect them from "injustice and oppression".

12. A quota was set for 300,000 black soldiers for the Confederate States Colored Troops. 83% of Richmond's male slave population volunteered for duty. A special ball was held in Richmond to raise money for uniforms for these men. Before Richmond fell, black Confederates in gray uniforms drilled in the streets. Due to the war ending, it is believed only companies or squads of these troops ever saw any action. Many more black soldiers fought for the North, but that difference was simply a difference because the North instituted this progressive policy more sooner than the more conservative South. Black soldiers from both sides received discrimination from whites who opposed the concept .

13. Union General U.S. Grant in Feb 1865, ordered the capture of "all the Negro men before the enemy can put them in their ranks." Frederick Douglass warned Lincoln that unless slaves were guaranteed freedom (those in Union controlled areas were still slaves) and land bounties, "they would take up arms for the rebels".

14. On April 4, 1865 (Amelia County, VA), a Confederate supply train was exclusively manned and guarded by black Infantry. When attacked by Federal Cavalry, they stood their ground and fought off the charge, but on the second charge they were overwhelmed. These soldiers are believed to be from "Major Turner's" Confederate command.

15. A Black Confederate, George _____, when captured by Federals was bribed to desert to the other side. He defiantly spoke, "Sir, you want me to desert, and I ain't no deserter. Down South, deserters disgrace their families and I am never going to do that."

16. Former slave, Horace King, accumulated great wealth as a contractor to the Confederate Navy. He was also an expert engineer and became known as the "Bridge builder of the Confederacy." One of his bridges was burned in a Yankee raid. His home was pillaged by Union troops, as his wife pleaded for mercy.

17. As of Feb. 1865 1,150 black seamen served in the Confederate Navy. One of these was among the last Confederates to surrender, aboard the CSS Shenandoah, six months after the war ended. This surrender took place in England.

18. Nearly 180,000 Black Southerners, from Virginia alone, provided logistical support for the Confederate military. Many were highly skilled workers. These included a wide range of jobs: nurses, military engineers, teamsters, ordnance department workers, brakemen, firemen, harness makers, blacksmiths, wagonmakers, boatmen, mechanics, wheelwrights, etc. In the 1920'S Confederate pensions were finally allowed to some of those workers that were still living. Many thousands more served in other Confederate States.

19. During the early 1900's, many members of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV) advocated awarding former slaves rural acreage and a home. There was hope that justice could be given those slaves that were once promised "forty acres and a mule" but never received any. In the 1913 Confederate Veteran magazine published by the UCV, it was printed that this plan "If not Democratic, it is [the] Confederate" thing to do. There was much gratitude toward former slaves, which "thousands were loyal, to the last degree", now living with total poverty of the big cities. Unfortunately, their proposal fell on deaf ears on Capitol Hill.

20. During the 50th Anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg in 1913, arrangements were made for a joint reunion of Union and Confederate veterans. The commission in charge of the event made sure they had enough accommodations for the black Union veterans, but were completely surprised when unexpected black Confederates arrived. The white Confederates immediately welcomed their old comrades, gave them one of their tents, and "saw to their every need". Nearly every Confederate reunion including those blacks that served with them, wearing the gray.

21. The first military monument in the US Capitol that honors an African-American soldier is the Confederate monument at Arlington National cemetery. The monument was designed 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate. Who wanted to correctly portray the "racial makeup" in the Confederate Army. A black Confederate soldier is depicted marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is one "white soldier giving his child to a black woman for protection".- source: Edward Smith, African American professor at the American University, Washington DC.

22. Black Confederate heritage is beginning to receive the attention it deserves. For instance, Terri Williams, a black journalist for the Suffolk "Virginia Pilot" newspaper, writes: "I've had to re-examine my feelings toward the [Confederate] flag started when I read a newspaper article about an elderly black man whose ancestor worked with the Confederate forces. The man spoke with pride about his family member's contribution to the cause, was photographed with the [Confederate] flag draped over his lap that's why I now have no definite stand on just what the flag symbolizes, because it no longer is their history, or my history, but our history."
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
100's of thousands of blacks fought to be enslaved???????????

you southern fuckers are psychotic
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
100's of thousands of blacks fought to be enslaved???????????

you southern fuckers are psychotic
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+1

If you wanted the south to win your a traitor to this country
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If you wanted the south to win your a traitor to this country
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Well seeing as how America used to belong to England what does that say about revolutionaries?
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
Anybody who thinks the Civil War was about slavery has buried their head in the propaganda sand and has no clue about American history.

No clue at all.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
It was about state's rights. Slavery is the issue that brought the state's rights issue to a head.

If you believe the war was about slavery, then ask yourself why the emancipation proclamation wasn't signed until 3 years after the war began.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
It was a bad war with Americans losing on all sides. I agree DC won.

The souther states of the USA were the only Protestant stronghold in all of the Americas. After the civil war papal Washington DC founded the Pan-American Union that rules all of North and South America, today called the Organization of the American States.


"The pursuit of regional solidarity and cooperation again came to the forefront in 188990, at the First International Conference of American States."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
It was about state's rights. Slavery is the issue that brought the state's rights issue to a head.

If you believe the war was about slavery, then ask yourself why the emancipation proclamation wasn't signed until 3 years after the war began.
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It was ultimately about economics and levies or taxes if you will. The northern shippers supplied slaves to the South and exported the cotton to Europe. Those exports were taxed via a levy which funded the federal government. There were no income taxes at the time.

If the South left the union, the majority of the exports which funded the Union went with the South. Slavery may have been the rallying cry from the Northern perspective but the almighty greenback is why it was really fought.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
+1

I'm black and live in Atlanta ga

we have a confederate flag displayed in our home shadow boxed with 5 pics of my great great grandfather in his confederate uniform and in formations with his white compatriots ...

We also have another shadow box with his uniform

he fought at manasas
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
hundreds of thousands?...op you would believe anything....
lol...dumbf..ck
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
+1

I'm black and live in Atlanta ga

we have a confederate flag displayed in our home shadow boxed with 5 pics of my great great grandfather in his confederate uniform and in formations with his white compatriots ...

We also have another shadow box with his uniform

he fought at manasas
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so some of your ignorant posts above that gave been brainwashed as to what the civil war was fought for can suck my black dick
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
This war was fought to PRESERVE STATES and INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and prevent a centralized FEDERAL AUTHORITY from consolidating POWER in D.C.

Well its obvious the North Won as we now have a death grip upon us of FEDEARL POWER from D.C.

there WERE HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of BLACK MEN who fought and DIED bravely and SINCERELY for the SOUTH...

Everyone had figured out by the start of the war both BLACK and WHITE that slavery was at its natural END...

The untold STORIES of the blacks who served with honor is below and been swept from American history begining at the turn of the last century by progressives with an agenda ...

here is only part of their untold STORY!!!


Black Confederates Why haven't we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, "I don't want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910" Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a "cover-up" which started back in 1865. He writes, "During my research, I came across instances where Black men stated they were soldiers, but you can plainly see where 'soldier' is crossed out and 'body servant' inserted, or 'teamster' on pension applications." Another black historian, Roland Young, says he is not surprised that blacks fought. He explains that "some, if not most, Black southerners would support their country" and that by doing so they were "demonstrating it's possible to hate the system of slavery and love one's country." This is the very same reaction that most African Americans showed during the American Revolution, where they fought for the colonies, even though the British offered them freedom if they fought for them.

It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, "Will you fight?" Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that "biracial units" were frequently organized "by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids". Dr. Leonard Haynes, an African-American professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

As the war came to an end, the Confederacy took progressive measures to build back up its army. The creation of the Confederate States Colored Troops, copied after the segregated northern colored troops, came too late to be successful. Had the Confederacy been successful, it would have created the world's largest armies (at the time) consisting of black soldiers,even larger than that of the North. This would have given the future of the Confederacy a vastly different appearance than what modern day racist or anti-Confederate liberals conjecture. Not only did Jefferson Davis envision black Confederate veterans receiving bounty lands for their service, there would have been no future for slavery after the goal of 300,000 armed black CSA veterans came home after the war.

1. The "Richmond Howitzers" were partially manned by black militiamen. They saw action at 1st Manassas (or 1st Battle of Bull Run) where they operated battery no. 2. In addition two black "regiments", one free and one slave, participated in the battle on behalf of the South. "Many colored people were killed in the action", recorded John Parker, a former slave.

2. At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 35th Texas Cavalry, Confederate States Army, became it's 3rd Sergeant. Higher ranking black commissioned officers served in militia units, but this was on the State militia level (Louisiana)and not in the regular C.S. Army.

3. Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year).

4. Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson's occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: "Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc.....and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army."

5. Frederick Douglas reported, "There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels."

6. Black and white militiamen returned heavy fire on Union troops at the Battle of Griswoldsville (near Macon, GA). Approximately 600 boys and elderly men were killed in this skirmish.

7. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan that proposed the emancipation of slaves, in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. France showed interest but Britain refused.

8. The Jackson Battalion included two companies of black soldiers. They saw combat at Petersburg under Col. Shipp. "My men acted with utmost promptness and goodwill...Allow me to state sir that they behaved in an extraordinary acceptable manner."

9. Recently the National Park Service, with a recent discovery, recognized that blacks were asked to help defend the city of Petersburg, Virginia and were offered their freedom if they did so. Regardless of their official classification, black Americans performed support functions that in today's army many would be classified as official military service. The successes of white Confederate troops in battle, could only have been achieved with the support these loyal black Southerners.

10. Confederate General John B. Gordon (Army of Northern Virginia) reported that all of his troops were in favor of Colored troops and that it's adoption would have "greatly encouraged the army". Gen. Lee was anxious to receive regiments of black soldiers. The Richmond Sentinel reported on 24 Mar 1864, "None will deny that our servants are more worthy of respect than the motley hordes which come against us." "Bad faith [to black Confederates] must be avoided as an indelible dishonor."

11. In March 1865, Judah P. Benjamin, Confederate Secretary Of State, promised freedom for blacks who served from the State of Virginia. Authority for this was finally received from the State of Virginia and on April 1st 1865, $100 bounties were offered to black soldiers. Benjamin exclaimed, "Let us say to every Negro who wants to go into the ranks, go and fight, and you are free Fight for your masters and you shall have your freedom." Confederate Officers were ordered to treat them humanely and protect them from "injustice and oppression".

12. A quota was set for 300,000 black soldiers for the Confederate States Colored Troops. 83% of Richmond's male slave population volunteered for duty. A special ball was held in Richmond to raise money for uniforms for these men. Before Richmond fell, black Confederates in gray uniforms drilled in the streets. Due to the war ending, it is believed only companies or squads of these troops ever saw any action. Many more black soldiers fought for the North, but that difference was simply a difference because the North instituted this progressive policy more sooner than the more conservative South. Black soldiers from both sides received discrimination from whites who opposed the concept .

13. Union General U.S. Grant in Feb 1865, ordered the capture of "all the Negro men before the enemy can put them in their ranks." Frederick Douglass warned Lincoln that unless slaves were guaranteed freedom (those in Union controlled areas were still slaves) and land bounties, "they would take up arms for the rebels".

14. On April 4, 1865 (Amelia County, VA), a Confederate supply train was exclusively manned and guarded by black Infantry. When attacked by Federal Cavalry, they stood their ground and fought off the charge, but on the second charge they were overwhelmed. These soldiers are believed to be from "Major Turner's" Confederate command.

15. A Black Confederate, George _____, when captured by Federals was bribed to desert to the other side. He defiantly spoke, "Sir, you want me to desert, and I ain't no deserter. Down South, deserters disgrace their families and I am never going to do that."

16. Former slave, Horace King, accumulated great wealth as a contractor to the Confederate Navy. He was also an expert engineer and became known as the "Bridge builder of the Confederacy." One of his bridges was burned in a Yankee raid. His home was pillaged by Union troops, as his wife pleaded for mercy.

17. As of Feb. 1865 1,150 black seamen served in the Confederate Navy. One of these was among the last Confederates to surrender, aboard the CSS Shenandoah, six months after the war ended. This surrender took place in England.

18. Nearly 180,000 Black Southerners, from Virginia alone, provided logistical support for the Confederate military. Many were highly skilled workers. These included a wide range of jobs: nurses, military engineers, teamsters, ordnance department workers, brakemen, firemen, harness makers, blacksmiths, wagonmakers, boatmen, mechanics, wheelwrights, etc. In the 1920'S Confederate pensions were finally allowed to some of those workers that were still living. Many thousands more served in other Confederate States.

19. During the early 1900's, many members of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV) advocated awarding former slaves rural acreage and a home. There was hope that justice could be given those slaves that were once promised "forty acres and a mule" but never received any. In the 1913 Confederate Veteran magazine published by the UCV, it was printed that this plan "If not Democratic, it is [the] Confederate" thing to do. There was much gratitude toward former slaves, which "thousands were loyal, to the last degree", now living with total poverty of the big cities. Unfortunately, their proposal fell on deaf ears on Capitol Hill.

20. During the 50th Anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg in 1913, arrangements were made for a joint reunion of Union and Confederate veterans. The commission in charge of the event made sure they had enough accommodations for the black Union veterans, but were completely surprised when unexpected black Confederates arrived. The white Confederates immediately welcomed their old comrades, gave them one of their tents, and "saw to their every need". Nearly every Confederate reunion including those blacks that served with them, wearing the gray.

21. The first military monument in the US Capitol that honors an African-American soldier is the Confederate monument at Arlington National cemetery. The monument was designed 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate. Who wanted to correctly portray the "racial makeup" in the Confederate Army. A black Confederate soldier is depicted marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is one "white soldier giving his child to a black woman for protection".- source: Edward Smith, African American professor at the American University, Washington DC.

22. Black Confederate heritage is beginning to receive the attention it deserves. For instance, Terri Williams, a black journalist for the Suffolk "Virginia Pilot" newspaper, writes: "I've had to re-examine my feelings toward the [Confederate] flag started when I read a newspaper article about an elderly black man whose ancestor worked with the Confederate forces. The man spoke with pride about his family member's contribution to the cause, was photographed with the [Confederate] flag draped over his lap that's why I now have no definite stand on just what the flag symbolizes, because it no longer is their history, or my history, but our history."
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bump For effort and a good deal of truth........

Now check the real instigators of this war, not to mention the part played by the Russian Tsar.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
If you think slaves were freed by an article of the constitution you had better actually read it. All it really did was transfer ownership from the single man to the federal government.

That's right, that is what happened. Go read it, see for yourself.
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+1

I'm black and live in Atlanta ga

we have a confederate flag displayed in our home shadow boxed with 5 pics of my great great grandfather in his confederate uniform and in formations with his white compatriots ...

We also have another shadow box with his uniform

he fought at manasas


so some of your ignorant posts above that gave been brainwashed as to what the civil war was fought for can suck my black dick
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let's also remember that the benevolent northern federal powergrabing contitution destroying centralized government the south fought to limit

Continued to basically enslave black people for another hundred ducking years!!!!!!

Am an extremely confident if south had won war it would have ended much muuch sooner ... As well we would not have thus strong centraliEd progressive Marxist monstrousity of a government we find ourselves with today ... State and individual rights might gave won out ... No would have won out
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If you think slaves were freed by an article of the constitution you had better actually read it. All it really did was transfer ownership from the single man to the federal government.

That's right, that is what happened. Go read it, see for yourself.
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What do you think the LBJ's Great Society did? It just reinstituted slavery in a different fashion. Most blacks are dependent on government handouts and are incapable of supporting themselves...whites are next. Why do you think "No Child Left Behind" was passed? It wasn't to help those that were struggling but to keep those that were excelling back at the lower rungs.

Come on people.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
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I'm black and live in Atlanta ga

we have a confederate flag displayed in our home shadow boxed with 5 pics of my great great grandfather in his confederate uniform and in formations with his white compatriots ...

We also have another shadow box with his uniform

he fought at manasas


so some of your ignorant posts above that gave been brainwashed as to what the civil war was fought for can suck my black dick


let's also remember that the benevolent northern federal powergrabing contitution destroying centralized government the south fought to limit

Continued to basically enslave black people for another hundred ducking years!!!!!!

Am an extremely confident if south had won war it would have ended much muuch sooner ... As well we would not have thus strong centraliEd progressive Marxist monstrousity of a government we find ourselves with today ... State and individual rights might gave won out ... No would have won out
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
States rights died long before the Civil war. The Civil War was just the death rattle of the constitution - the corpse of which we pay lip service to this day.
When blacks have identity it is called pride.
When indians have identity it is called culture.
When Jewish people have identity it is called history.
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NO offense intended, but we follow flags and rags.

We kill our neighbour for rich mens pleasure.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
States rights died long before the Civil war. The Civil War was just the death rattle of the constitution - the corpse of which we pay lip service to this day.
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agreed ... but as a black man i cant help but think as crazy it sounds we would have been better off if the south would have won ...

I think the with blacks not even getting citizen voting rights til ahundred years later and with all the entitlment programs that have made my fellow blacks complicit in their own slavery without knowing it .... it just makes me sick
they think the federal government is their friend with all these fucking slave freebie entitlment handouts ... it just creates a revolving door of generational slavery of another sort...

i beleive in the constitution and the declaration of idenpendence ... i beleive the federal government has reached to far ... i beleive in individual liberty

I am black and there are many more like me that think as I we have not all been corrupted ....

im so tired of hearing that other people who think liek me are racist white supremist tea baggers
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
100's of thousands of blacks fought to be enslaved???????????

you southern fuckers are psychotic
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Maybe the whites were happy that the blacks won their freedom. Before the war, the blacks had all the jobs. I think a lot of white people suffered the effects of poverty and starvation because of that policy.
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What did the average white person gain from slavery? the same as what they gained from present day illegal immigration. joblessness, homelessness, poverty.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
100's of thousands of blacks fought to be enslaved???????????

you southern fuckers are psychotic
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im black

Im southern

your obviously not

so no you can fuck off or learn actual history and remove your fucking head from the textbooks that are controled by a handful of people from the progressive marxist left trying to endoctrinate my people ...

well fuck all people
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What did the average white person gain from slavery? the same as what they gained from present day illegal immigration. joblessness, homelessness, poverty.
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Quite. The South was wrong to use slavery.

Though I theoretically support the South for their stand on state's rights, I support the White Supremacist Abraham Lincoln in wanting to free America of not just slavery after the war, but also the blacks (he wanted to ship them back to Africa.

However, Lincoln was assassinated by someone rumored to be under pay of certain you-know-who central bankers due to his refusal to borrow from the Rothschilds and instead instituting his own fiat currency: the original "greenback."

So, we are left with a job half done. The slaves were freed but not sent back. Since then, the clash of cultures has waged bitter war for over 100 years.

This does neither the black race nor the white race any good. Blacks deserve their own self-determination. If we can't practically send them back to Africa (Liberia's origins was this idea) then we should at least give them a couple of states of their own to live in where they can elect their own leaders and not worry about white exploitation.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
the media makes it sound as though all southern whites supported and died to keep black slaves. I doubt most whites didn't gain anything from slavery. Only a few rich people gained.

Another thing is that the media portrays blacks as victims. The truth is that blacks fought back by burning down the plantation and escaping. these things happened all the time. Eventually slavery would have ended on its own. the plantation owners would have gotten tired of seeing their properties burned to the ground over and over again.
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
There is a truth in this post most not bright enough to see...

The progressive Marxist control textbook productions for generations now...

They want war to be fought over slavery which is was not but they have controlled history for generations now

so now generations have been lied too to hide the fact that the war was fought to preserve individual liberty and states rights against a tryanucal federal government ....also allowed blacks to be enslaved another hundred years and even past with entitlement programs

Soon enough it won't matter the people will respond

this is no differant that federal reserve takeover of freemarket capitalism in 1913 in the middle if the night
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
OP...our history books try to be too politically correct and skew the real story, don't they? Some of you might find the attached an interesting read. I was shocked when I first heard that there were a number of free blacks who also owned slaves. Why didn't the history books ever mention that?

[link to americancivilwar.com]
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
States rights died long before the Civil war. The Civil War was just the death rattle of the constitution - the corpse of which we pay lip service to this day.



agreed ... but as a black man i cant help but think as crazy it sounds we would have been better off if the south would have won ...

I think the with blacks not even getting citizen voting rights til ahundred years later and with all the entitlment programs that have made my fellow blacks complicit in their own slavery without knowing it .... it just makes me sick
they think the federal government is their friend with all these fucking slave freebie entitlment handouts ... it just creates a revolving door of generational slavery of another sort...

i beleive in the constitution and the declaration of idenpendence ... i beleive the federal government has reached to far ... i beleive in individual liberty

I am black and there are many more like me that think as I we have not all been corrupted ....

im so tired of hearing that other people who think liek me are racist white supremist tea baggers
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If you think the south had won and given blacks freedom your WRONG. If the south had won blacks would have been in slavery longer, thats a FACT. The war itself may had not been completely over slavery but you believe IF the south won they would have given blacks freedom? This thread is a fucking joke!
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
And yet if you read the articles of cessation from the first four States that seceded...

It is clear slavery was THE big issue.
"Everybody lies."
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Re: *** If you think the American Civil War was fought to free the slaves .. think again ... and tell it to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who fought
Interestingly, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the Southern states. Why not the Northern States also?





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