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Anonymous Coward User ID: 857654 United States 01/14/2010 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haitians are devils worshippers at their finest. My heart goes out to them, BUT this shit is ridiculous. Did you catch this video below? How do pour blood on yourself in public and do sacrifices and NOT expect for spirits of demonic "jinn" to rise up? What they are going through is heartbreaking but maybe there is a lesson to be learned here and that's not to tap into the demonic and/or occult. SEE FOR YOURSELF |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 777204 United States 01/14/2010 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's historical fact. DOES NOT MEAN THEY DESERVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. I don't think the OP was saying that anyway. Simply stating a fact. All in all, my heart goes out to those poor people. They deserve some relief from the crap they've gone through for decades. |
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Anti Hatemonger User ID: 865263 United States 01/14/2010 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Voodoo or vaudo is NOT a mixture of witchcraft and African spiritualism, Voodoo is actually a combination of ancestral African spiritualism and Catholicism. A mix of two cultures when Africans were forced to convert. The mixture of these cultures created vodoo which is based on saints, ritual and spiritual beliefs that have absolutely NOTHING to do with witchcraft or the Devil but every thing to do with a deep connection to gods and saints(spirits) and nature. Do not muddy the waters of truth with your own hatred and vile cojecture, get it right. Haitian Vodou or Vaudou (French pronunciation: [vodu], Anglicised as Voodoo) is a syncretic[1] religion originating from the Caribbean country of Haiti, located on the island of Hispaniola. It is based upon a merging of the beliefs and practices of West African peoples, (mainly the Fon and Ewe; see West African Vodun), with Roman Catholic Christianity, which was brought about as African slaves were brought to Haiti in the 16th century and forced to convert to the religion of their owners, whilst they largely still followed their traditional African beliefs |
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Anti-Hatemonger User ID: 865263 United States 01/14/2010 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vodou, as it is known in Haiti and the Haitian diaspora, is the result of the pressures of many different cultures and ethnicities of people being uprooted from Africa and imported to Hispaniola during the African slave trade. Under slavery, African culture and religion was suppressed, lineages were fragmented, and people pooled their religious knowledge and from this fragmentation became culturally unified. In addition to combining the spirits of many different African and Amerindian nations, Vodou has incorporated pieces of Roman Catholic liturgy to replace lost prayers or elements. Images of Catholic saints are used to represent various spirits or "mistè" ("mysteries", actually the preferred term in Haiti), and many saints themselves are honored in Vodou in their own right. This syncretism allows Vodou to encompass the African, the Indian, and the European ancestors in a whole and complete way. It is truly a Kreyòl religion. The most historically important Vodou ceremony in Haitian history was the Bwa Kayiman or Bois Caïman ceremony of August 1791 that began the Haitian Revolution, in which the spirit Ezili Dantor possessed a priestess and received a black pig as an offering, and all those present pledged themselves to the fight for freedom. This ceremony ultimately resulted in the liberation of the Haitian people from French colonial rule in 1804, and the establishment of the first black people's republic in the history of the world and the second independent nation in the Americas. STOP SPREADING LIES. |
Anti-Hatemonger User ID: 865263 United States 01/14/2010 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | get your FACTS straight. Just because a group of uninformed people believe that a religion that is not their own has to do with the devil--- does not mean it is so. Please consider the political and social climate of the times that this FACT was written. No one was trying to understand or be compassionate to any other spiritual practice other that Catholicism anything outside of that norm was heresy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865264 United States 01/14/2010 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything is possible when you believe the soul disembodies at death. The Cabalist Plato - "As souls are immortal, those lacking bodies patrol all of heaven so long as their wings are in perfect condition. When a soul sheds its wings, it comes to earth and takes on an earthly body which then seems to move itself." [link to en.wikipedia.org] We are told in God's word, Jesus, Lazarus, and others, were dead and did rise. Their souls never went anywhere. Jesus clearly say when we die we "sleep" until the resurrection. The Bible verse often used to support the Greek disembodied soul is "absent from the body present with the Lord". But this verse needs to be read in context of the whole chapter, which says, when we are no longer in the mortal body we put on immortality in a new body after resurrection. Also our next waking moment is with the Lord. Spiritualism leads to all manner of false beliefs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 612898 United States 01/14/2010 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every year on that anniversary date another ritual is said to be done. It was partially the Catholics fault. Over 200 years ago the Church taught that people with black skin had no soul, or in fact did belong to the devil. So naturally many felt that rejection and left the faith. Do not bother flaming me either. Most religions justified their cruel treatment by teaching something similar. The non catholic colonists here in America had no problem killing Indians, because they found no American Indians in the bible and taught the red skins belonged to the devil. In the deep south I have heard very elderly people tell me the same thing, when they were kids they heard preachers telling others that blacks had no souls. Even Mormons taught something similar until the middle of the 20th century. So if someone told the Haitians that they belonged to Satan, and God rejected them, can you blame them for the rituals? It was a mess. And there are different forms of voodoo, not all are light level. Just as there are various forms of magick that people view as Santeria, but the darker one is actually called palo mayombe. Anyone remember Mark Kilroy, the missing medical student from Texas? The priest there was Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo(El Padrino), when he was found he had Kilroy's spinal cord. He liked to wear them wrapped around his neck. It is not all "light level". FYI, people like that in Mexico are the ones paid by the drug Lords. Many believe that type of magick will keep them protected from the law. I was remembering the post here about the guys face recently found sewed to a soccer ball. It did not surprise me at all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848712 Canada 01/14/2010 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are told in God's word, Jesus, Lazarus, and others, were dead and did rise. Their souls never went anywhere. Jesus clearly say when we die we "sleep" until the resurrection. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 865264Well, while you "sleep" I'll check things out in the higher levels of the spiritual realm. You're soooo full of [link to www.afterlife-knowledge.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 858136 United States 01/14/2010 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727649By Tom Barrett (03/11/04) "Haiti is the only country in the entire world that has dedicated its government to Satan. Demonic spirits have been consulted for political decisions, and have shaped the country's history." Thus speaks Reverend Doug Anderson, who grew up in Haiti with missionary parents, and served there along with his wife Dawn as a missionary until 1990. The leaders of Haiti make no attempt to hide their allegiance to Satan. Haiti’s government is a government of the devil, by the devil, and for the devil. It is a matter of well-documented historical fact that the nation of Haiti was dedicated to Satan 200 years ago. On August 14, 1791, a group of houngans (voodoo priests), led by a former slave houngan named Boukman, made a pact with the Devil at a place called Bois-Caiman. All present vowed to exterminate all of the white Frenchmen on the island. They sacrificed a black pig in a voodoo ritual at which hundreds of slaves drank the pig’s blood. In this ritual, Boukman asked Satan for his help in liberating Haiti from the French. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to give the country to Satan for 200 years and swore to serve him. On January 1, 1804, the nation of Haiti was born and thus began a new demonic tyranny. At the time of the pact Haiti was France's richest colony, and was known as the “Pearl of the Antilles” for its singular beauty. But it soon became one of the world's poorest and most benighted nations. Scoffers may say that there is no connection between the fact that Haiti was the richest nation in the hemisphere, and then became the poorest after selling its national soul to Satan. But the scoffers can’t come up with a better explanation. Voodoo is a practice based on a mixture of African spiritism and witchcraft. Depending on the source of one’s research, between 75 and 90 percent of Haitians practice voodoo. This seems to fly in the face of the fact that the country is predominantly Catholic. But, like their African ancestors, voodoo practitioners have no problem embracing multiple religions. In fact, most who practice voodoo believe they must be Catholic first. Until recently, voodoo was practiced in secret. Practitioners would go to the Catholic Church on Sunday, and attend voodoo ceremonies deep in the woods at other times. Voodoo was forbidden during the colonial times, and the 32 Haitian governments that followed independence also suppressed the practice because of world condemnation. But on April 8, 2003, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide approved Voodoo as an officially recognized religion in Haiti (see links below). Voodoo priests can now perform marriages and other ceremonies previously reserved for Christian religions. "An ancestral religion, Voodoo is an essential part of national identity," Aristide said in the decree recognizing Voodoo. |
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all2human User ID: 836970 United States 01/14/2010 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's historical fact. DOES NOT MEAN THEY DESERVE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 777204It's historical fact is it? Show me some documenting evidence then. Oh, you can't because it's just bull shit spread by Christian missionaries. [link to www.blackandchristian.com] "I was born and raised in Haiti, and I am a graduate of the State University in Port-au-Prince. I am also a believer in the Lord Jesus-Christ in accordance with the Bible. In all of my studies of Haitian history, however, I have yet to find a good evidence of even the idea of Satan’s assistance in the Independence War, let alone a satanic pact. For quite some time now, several articles on the Internet have mentioned the existence of an iron pig statue in Port-au-Prince as a monument to commemorate Haiti’s so-called pact with the devil through Vodou. The statue would be in remembrance of a pig that was killed during the gathering by the African slaves. In an effort to know more about that rumor, I contacted several authors about the exact location of the pig statue that’s incidentally nowhere to be found in the country. Their answer was complete silence, a simple apology, or just the removal of the reference from their texts." Last Edited by all2human on 01/14/2010 10:49 PM |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 727649 United States 01/14/2010 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not defending Robertson's statement but only to show that he did not just spout off without a basis. Wrong. Maybe. Other older links re: Haiti pact with the devil. [link to www.jesus.org.uk] [link to www.freerepublic.com] [link to www.nolink4_you.com] [link to www.assatashakur.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 848712 Canada 01/14/2010 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not defending Robertson's statement but only to show that he did not just spout off without a basis. Wrong. Maybe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727649Other older links re: Haiti pact with the devil. [link to www.jesus.org.uk] [link to www.freerepublic.com] [link to www.nolink4_you.com] [link to www.assatashakur.org] First, you must PROVE there is a "devil." Second, you must PROVE there is a "god." The fact of the matter is, no one can PROVE anything. Like I've said many times before, the "devil" is a figment of your imagination as is "god." |
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