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TEOTWAWKI or TSHTF, this is what I plan to do.

 
Silicon Jock  (OP)

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bump before I hit the hay, but I hope this spurs some good conversation. Survival is impossible with "you" and guaranteed by "us". Words of wisdom.
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01/14/2010 08:37 PM
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bump for someone that gives a shit
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01/14/2010 08:39 PM
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Good stuff in here. So many of the misunderstandings could be avoided if people would read carefully. In the pinned post, the guy had two plans. One for slow motion doom; and one for major fast-moving doom.

He was ready to help his community with water filtration, bread baking, and soup kitchen, if conditions allowed for such communitarian approach. Other scenario was his concept of just getting out of the way. He even admits within his own scenarios, that his chances of survival would be poor.

For all we know, the entire grid will be scoured by highly trained, heavily armed squads with dogs, night vision, and real time satellite ground analysis for caches, hidden shelters, etc.

Say you had a hidden underground bunker. If you ran in there 10 minutes before the squad arrived, the dogs would be all over it. They radio in for ground penetrating satellite, and scour the area for your air pipes while they wait for the satellite image. They find your air intake. They know your in there because of the dogs. Satellite image confirms presence of underground structure. What happens next?

Entire grid is systematically searched and "cleared", sector by sector, urban, suburban, exurban, and rural. Seems to me that only the stealthiest and nimblest individuals could elude something like this.

Also, think about people in northern climes, if tshtf during the dead of winter, the hardship level ratchets up several notches.

I am thinking that the people who are most prepared for themselves, will also be the most able to help others. Including sensible, well-armed types.
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01/14/2010 08:48 PM
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I think it will ALWAYS depend on the situation and circumstances as to whether it is most intelligent to stay or go.

I also think those who "bug out" into the woods will banned together and thus you have all the pros of staying put, but with more mobility.

I don't think which way is best is the correct debate, but "who" will you shoot and "how" trigger happy will you be? If you are conscious about who you shoot and what you shoot then you can have a small community just about anywhere you may be...

If you are thinking about shooting every stranger you see (and staying put) you are as good as dead (mostly because others now know where to find you).
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I think it will ALWAYS depend on the situation and circumstances as to whether it is most intelligent to stay or go.

I also think those who "bug out" into the woods will banned together and thus you have all the pros of staying put, but with more mobility.

I don't think which way is best is the correct debate, but "who" will you shoot and "how" trigger happy will you be? If you are conscious about who you shoot and what you shoot then you can have a small community just about anywhere you may be...

If you are thinking about shooting every stranger you see (and staying put) you are as good as dead (mostly because others now know where to find you).
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Nobody thinks that way (I hope). You have your tools to defend your ground, your family, your friends and who you are. That's it. Caput. Finit.
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01/14/2010 09:20 PM
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Once the power goes out and the US has no TV, it will make Haiti look like a day care centre.
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Once the power goes out and the US has no TV, it will make Haiti look like a day care centre.
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Perhaps
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Once the power goes out and the US has no TV, it will make Haiti look like a day care centre.
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Bullshit! Katrina was a lot like Haiti because of the high percentage of dependency on the government. Where I live, 99% of the people do not depend on the government for their living. They WORK and as such, when things get desperate real Americans get more honest and more caring because its more valuable in those situations. The inner city will become a war zone because a good portion of the government teat sheeple (GTS) will just go nuts without their entertainment. They don't know how to do anything because they've lived for years sucking off of my tax money. When they can't get food, they won't try to work for it, bargain for it or grow it. They only thing they know how to do is steal it from someone else.

Beyond the city most people out here in the country may not do much more on a routine basis but they know its possible and even though they may not know how, they'll figure it out. The Obama Voters will form gangs and try to come out here after they've looted all the stores it town. They'll try and take it.

If you're not in the read, you'll want to get solidly so:

[link to www.crmw.org]

Though this is a 2004 presidential election map, it hasn't changed much. City vote democrat so as to get more assistance. Out in the country, we vote republican because we want freedom, not taxes and regulation.

WhenTSHTF, you'll want to be inside the read, preferably at least 50 miles or so.

Take a look at the demographics and you'll understand why.
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01/14/2010 10:33 PM
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bump
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Once the power goes out and the US has no TV, it will make Haiti look like a day care centre.


Bullshit! Katrina was a lot like Haiti because of the high percentage of dependency on the government. Where I live, 99% of the people do not depend on the government for their living. They WORK and as such, when things get desperate real Americans get more honest and more caring because its more valuable in those situations. The inner city will become a war zone because a good portion of the government teat sheeple (GTS) will just go nuts without their entertainment. They don't know how to do anything because they've lived for years sucking off of my tax money. When they can't get food, they won't try to work for it, bargain for it or grow it. They only thing they know how to do is steal it from someone else.

Beyond the city most people out here in the country may not do much more on a routine basis but they know its possible and even though they may not know how, they'll figure it out. The Obama Voters will form gangs and try to come out here after they've looted all the stores it town. They'll try and take it.

If you're not in the read, you'll want to get solidly so:

[link to www.crmw.org]

Though this is a 2004 presidential election map, it hasn't changed much. City vote democrat so as to get more assistance. Out in the country, we vote republican because we want freedom, not taxes and regulation.

WhenTSHTF, you'll want to be inside the read, preferably at least 50 miles or so.

Take a look at the demographics and you'll understand why.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 862642


Very interesting point about the demographics.
When TSHTF in your country, I fear that other countries sit perched like Vultures ready to move in. You can bet that Russia wont pass an opportunity like that too hastily.

And so I think it should be treated with a worst case scenario attitude, you should assume the very worst, it wont be like anything else before.
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01/15/2010 01:55 AM
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Re: TEOTWAWKI or TSHTF, this is what I plan to do.
I will put up a big sign saying "FREE FOOD", and when all of the people come for the "FREE FOOD" I will shoot them dead,pile them up and then use them as an impenetrible barricade!!!!Don't fuck with me cause I'm a BAD,BAD Man........
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sounds like the brains of dumb fucking kid to me.
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01/15/2010 02:21 AM
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Re: TEOTWAWKI or TSHTF, this is what I plan to do.
Good plan, I guess I should think about some seeds myself.

If everyone gets ready in one way or another it will be easier for us all. If your neighbor is ready to bug out with his truck full of food and you are ready to defend the area and plant you can work together to find the best option. If you are wrong and flooding is going to innundae your current spot, you may want to pack up and bug out wih him and be glad he was ready. If the woods are full of raiding criminal bands, he may want to stay with you to provide security and help plant.

I don't know what doom will hit, and I'm not going to be completely ready for them all. I hope whatever I miss, one of my friends and neighbors though of and prepared to handle. I can't fix my car after an EMP, but my neighbor will have some old running motorcycles if I need transportation. If a nuke hits upwind from us, I'm sure he will be thankfull when I show up with some Potassium Iodide for him and his family.

I'm happy to see anyone giving the possiblilty of collapse some serious though and getting prepared. If everyone prepared, we would be ready for transition instead of collapse.
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Re: TEOTWAWKI or TSHTF, this is what I plan to do.
My plan is to bug out to a friends house way out in the country. I sure as hell am not going to stay in this suburb.





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