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Remember that Ribbon at the Edge of our Solar System? --UPDATE!

 
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Remember that Ribbon at the Edge of our Solar System? --UPDATE!
January 15, 2010: Last year, when NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon at the edge of the solar system, researchers were mystified. They called it a "shocking result" and puzzled over its origin. Now the mystery may have been solved.

"We believe the ribbon is a reflection," says Jacob Heerikhuisen, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from the University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is where solar wind particles heading out into interstellar space are reflected back into the solar system by a galactic magnetic field."

Heerikhuisen is the lead author of a paper reporting the results in the Jan. 10th edition of the Astrophysical Journal Letters.


"This is an important finding," says Arik Posner, IBEX program scientist at NASA Headquarters. "Interstellar space just beyond the edge of the solar system is mostly unexplored territory. Now we know, there could be a strong, well-organized magnetic field sitting right on our doorstep."

The IBEX data fit in nicely with recent results from Voyager. Voyager 1 and 2 are near the edge of the solar system and they also have sensed strong* magnetism nearby. Voyager measurements are relatively local to the spacecraft, however. IBEX is filling in the "big picture." The ribbon it sees is vast and stretches almost all the way across the sky, suggesting that the magnetic field behind it must be equally vast.

Although maps of the ribbon seem to show a luminous body, the ribbon emits no light. Instead, it makes itself known via particles called "energetic neutral atoms" (ENAs)--mainly garden-variety hydrogen atoms. The ribbon emits these particles, which are picked up by IBEX in Earth orbit.


The reflection process posited by Heerikhuisen et al. is a bit complicated, involving multiple "charge exchange" reactions between protons and hydrogen atoms. The upshot, however, is simple. Particles from the solar wind that escape the solar system are met ~100 astronomical units (~15 billion kilometers) away by an interstellar magnetic field. Magnetic forces intercept the escaping particles and sling them right back where they came from.

"If this mechanism is correct--and not everyone agrees--then the shape of the ribbon is telling us a lot about the orientation of the magnetic field in our corner of the Milky Way galaxy," notes Heerikhuisen.

And upon this field, the future may hinge.


The solar system is passing through a region of the Milky Way filled with cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The magnetic field of our own sun, inflated by the solar wind into a bubble called the "heliosphere," substantially protects us from these things. However, the bubble itself is vulnerable to external fields. A strong magnetic field just outside the solar system could press against the heliosphere and interact with it in unknown ways. Will this strengthen our natural shielding—or weaken it? No one can say.


"IBEX will monitor the ribbon closely in the months and years ahead," says Posner. "We could see the shape of the ribbon change—and that would show us how we are interacting with the galaxy beyond."

It seems we can learn a lot by looking in the mirror. Stay tuned to Science@NASA for updates.

[link to science.nasa.gov]

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January 15, 2010: Last year, when NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon at the edge of the solar system, researchers were mystified. They called it a "shocking result" and puzzled over its origin. Now the mystery may have been solved.

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At the edge of our Solar System, NOT the galaxy.
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Spectacular find FC- I love this stuff!
What an exceptional age we find ourselves in...
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January 15, 2010: Last year, when NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft discovered a giant ribbon at the edge of the solar system, researchers were mystified. They called it a "shocking result" and puzzled over its origin. Now the mystery may have been solved.



At the edge of our Solar System, NOT the galaxy.
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Oops> Thanks for the correction!
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AHA! Splains lots...
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Certainly helps!


Spectacular find FC- I love this stuff!
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Adds to the intrigue doesn't it!
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shockwave from the thingy
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bump
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Thank you, Full Circle!


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shockwave from the thingy
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lol....that's what I think we can expect!

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Spectacular find FC- I love this stuff!
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NUFF Said :)
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The solar system is passing through a region of the Milky Way filled with cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The magnetic field of our own sun, inflated by the solar wind into a bubble called the "heliosphere," substantially protects us from these things. However, the bubble itself is vulnerable to external fields. A strong magnetic field just outside the solar system could press against the heliosphere and interact with it in unknown ways. Will this strengthen our natural shielding—or weaken it? No one can say.

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OP, THANK you for the follow up. I always wonder about the discoveries in the cosmos and if scientist learn anything further...but always forget to look. Interesting article. thanks again
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does this look like a 'bow wave' to you?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

incoming?
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OP, THANK you for the follow up. I always wonder about the discoveries in the cosmos and if scientist learn anything further...but always forget to look. Interesting article. thanks again
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No problem Dread. I like this stuff too. I was surprised the new lights in the sky over China didn't get much attention when I posted it yesterday. Especially since the one has blue that looks alot like the one from Norway:

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does this look like a 'bow wave' to you?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

incoming?
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I'm not scientific enough to hazard a guess. But yeah, that's what it seems like to me (on an inner level).
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wow, will it strengthen or weaken our protective bubble? hmmmm.... hiding hiding hiding yoda yoda
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OP, THANK you for the follow up. I always wonder about the discoveries in the cosmos and if scientist learn anything further...but always forget to look. Interesting article. thanks again


No problem Dread. I like this stuff too. I was surprised the new lights in the sky over China didn't get much attention when I posted it yesterday. Especially since the one has blue that looks alot like the one from Norway:

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 Quoting: Full Circle

wow! I missed your thread on this. It does look just like the Norway spiral in size and color!

here is a bad translation

"The Asian heart net news (this net Reporter Yang Fan) “southwest the sky has group green light to move to the east, afterward it sent out the blue light, looked like in the science fiction film simply UFO!”On January 11 about 20:00, many residents in Urumqi peripheral, Wula anchors, places such as Mulei County as well as Tuokexun Montenegro coal mine sees in the sky to present the different form the mystical aperture, for this reason exclaims. Just started was the star same luminescent spot, slowly proliferates red, finally turns the green flying saucer to be likely same, to is finally the blue color to finally big piece of eye socket's blue color smog."

what do you think it was, OP?
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'a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system'

ohyeah

this isn't a woo woo saying this, this is NASA

what they are saying, is ordinarily, we are PROTECTED from all the nasty shit outside the heliosphere, but something, with a very powerful magnetic field, is interacting with the heliosphere, and may increase, or lessen that protection.

if they are basically ADMITTING something with a very powerful magnetic field is doing something to the heliosphere. what else is this object doing?

disrupting the oort cloud?

I'm no believer in PX, but this article is ever so slightly scary, wouldn't you say?
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Gives me these good science shivers -- love it when we learn something more about our universe!

Thanks for sharing!
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what do you think it was, OP?
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I don't know. That's why I tried to bump that thread but nobody paid it any attention. I still think the Norway spiral was a natural phenomenon, and this is more of the same. Probably plasma.
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'a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system'

ohyeah

this isn't a woo woo saying this, this is NASA

what they are saying, is ordinarily, we are PROTECTED from all the nasty shit outside the heliosphere, but something, with a very powerful magnetic field, is interacting with the heliosphere, and may increase, or lessen that protection.

if they are basically ADMITTING something with a very powerful magnetic field is doing something to the heliosphere. what else is this object doing?

disrupting the oort cloud?

I'm no believer in PX, but this article is ever so slightly scary, wouldn't you say?
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That's what's so interesting about it. It (the ribbon) is doing something. It's magnetic. How does that affect an electric universe?
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'a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system'

ohyeah

this isn't a woo woo saying this, this is NASA

what they are saying, is ordinarily, we are PROTECTED from all the nasty shit outside the heliosphere, but something, with a very powerful magnetic field, is interacting with the heliosphere, and may increase, or lessen that protection.

if they are basically ADMITTING something with a very powerful magnetic field is doing something to the heliosphere. what else is this object doing?

disrupting the oort cloud?

I'm no believer in PX, but this article is ever so slightly scary, wouldn't you say?
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I don't know, but my FIRST reaction was to think... Are we PRISONERS here? Can we get OUT of the solar system?

Good question, isn't it? Have any of our probes ever actually LEFT the solar system, or are they still approaching the boundary?

It would have major implications if it were to be proven that something OUT THERE is preventing us from leaving our own little backyard.

Natural phenomonon?

Are we in 'cosmic jail' with some alien intelligence as our captors?

Or is some entity often called "God" keeping us fenced into our own backyard, so to speak?

Obviously, if we can NOT LEAVE, then the future of mankind is already decided: We're extinct, we just don't know it yet. Because our future lies out there, on other habitable planets.

If we're forced to remain here, with all our eggs in the Earth basket so to speak, it's only a matter of time before something will eventually send us down the same trail previously trod by the dinosaurs and 99% of all other life that's ever existed here.

In short, being trapped here would really, REALLY suck...
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look, we are ALL electromagnetic beings.

we all do things, all the time, at a quantum level, and that does not stop when we die.

stop worrying about 'going extinct'

we will NEVER 'go extinct'

imho

we are ALL 'Godlike'

it's why we're here, after all!

lol
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A different explanation from another article:

Solar physicists did not expect this "mirror effect," which is "somewhat analogous to exploring an unknown cave," says Arik Posner, IBEX program scientist at NASA Headquarters. "By activating IBEX, we suddenly see that the solar system has a lit candle and see its light reflected in the 'cave walls' shining back at us," says Posner. "What we find is that the 'cave wall' acts more like a faint mirror than like a normal wall," he adds.

What we saw with IBEX is that this "cave" we are exploring apparently has very straight and smooth magnetic walls, being shaped somewhat like a subway tunnel. IBEX can remotely observe the direction of the local interstellar magnetic field and may observe whether it stays the same or changes over time.

The sun's presence affects the local interstellar magnetic field, bulging the field out to form something larger that is similar to a subway station. However, the "station" itself, our heliosphere, slowly moves along the tunnel, not subway cars.

Straight magnetic field lines are only found in plasmas where the magnetic field is strong and shapes the flow of particles, such as the smooth magnetic loops observed in the sun's corona.

Forgot link:

[link to www.spacedaily.com]

Last Edited by Full Circle on 01/16/2010 07:19 PM
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i love full circle hf thanks for the ribbon update hf
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I'm no believer in PX, but this article is ever so slightly scary, wouldn't you say?


I don't know, but my FIRST reaction was to think... Are we PRISONERS here? Can we get OUT of the solar system?

Good question, isn't it? Have any of our probes ever actually LEFT the solar system, or are they still approaching the boundary?

It would have major implications if it were to be proven that something OUT THERE is preventing us from leaving our own little backyard.

Natural phenomonon?

Are we in 'cosmic jail' with some alien intelligence as our captors?

Or is some entity often called "God" keeping us fenced into our own backyard, so to speak?

Obviously, if we can NOT LEAVE, then the future of mankind is already decided: We're extinct, we just don't know it yet. Because our future lies out there, on other habitable planets.

If we're forced to remain here, with all our eggs in the Earth basket so to speak, it's only a matter of time before something will eventually send us down the same trail previously trod by the dinosaurs and 99% of all other life that's ever existed here.

In short, being trapped here would really, REALLY suck...


Where is Tesla when you really need him
Or His works and theories ??
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i love full circle hf thanks for the ribbon update hf
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Then every star and even the galaxies probably have one also.
magnetic fields forever.





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