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JOHNMAC (OP) User ID: 790772 United States 01/23/2010 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lawmakers jump into fray, seek answer to constitutional question Jan. 19, 2010 The demand for documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is surging, with lawmakers in several states now working on legislation that could be used to require future presidential candidates to reveal precisely how they are qualified under the U.S. Constitution's demand for a "natural born citizen." WND already has reported on a bill co-sponsored by some three dozen lawmakers in Arizona who want to require candidates not only to submit the information, but state officials to independently verify the accuracy. Bill sponsor Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, told WND she already has started getting questions from other states who want details about the proposal. A separate proposal has been created by a freedom of information action group in New York state, and now the National Conference of State Legislatures, which monitors and tabulates the work of legislative bodies, confirms through its database that several other plans are in the works. Some of the proposals are very clear even without the full text. In New Hampshire, for example, a pending plan would require "certified copies of birth certificates for nominees for president and vice president." Others are a little more oblique. In Georgia, for example, lawmakers propose a bill "relating to procedures for qualification of candidates generally, so as to require each candidate for public office to be in compliance with certain disclosure requirements." There is no definitive word on what that would mean to presidential candidates. An Indiana proposal is equally unclear, because it "authorizes a challenge to a candidate's eligibility to seek an office to be filed by a registered voter of the jurisdiction conducting the election." It could apply only to local elections. In Virginia, a summary says the proposal "provides that candidates shall provide evidence of their qualifications for office to have their names printed on the ballot. The State Board of Elections shall provide a list of acceptable forms of evidence." And in the New York state plan proposed by a freedom of information organization to state lawmakers would provide that "an individual seeking placement on the New York State's election ballot(s) for the office of president or vice president of the United States must present proof of eligibility, as per requirements that are stated in Article 2, section 1, paragraph 5 of the U.S. Constitution." Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate! The proposals essentially are moving the same direction as a federal measure proposed by Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla. Posey's H.R. 1503 states: "To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution." The bill also provides: "Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years." The sponsors' goal is for the bill to become effective for the 2012 presidential election. The legislation now is pending in a House committee and has more than a dozen co-sponsors. But whatever support Posey's plan has, it faces massive obstacles in a House and Senate dominated by Democrats, as well as a president whose own status could be impacted by its requirements. In Arizona, state Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the controversy over Obama and his birth certificate has raised questions. "It just makes sense and will stop any controversy in the future to just show you are a natural born citizen," she told the Arizona Capitol Times. If states start adopting such election requirements, their laws possibly could have an impact similar to federal legislation, since the information submitted to meet the requirements presumably would be public. The issue with Obama's eligibility is that although a computer-generated image of a "certification of live birth" was posted online by his campaign, the image does not actually document a birthplace. Hawaiian law at the time, for example, allowed family members to register a birth in Hawaii by submitting information to the state. A second significant factor is the multitude of documents that Obama has kept from the public. Besides his actual birth documentation, the documentation includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records. Thirdly, another significant factor is the estimated $1.7 million Obama has spent on court cases specifically preventing any of the documentation of his life to be revealed to the public. And as WND has reported, however, no controlling legal authority ever directly addressed the question of whether Obama met the U.S. Constitution's requirements to be president, that is being 35 years of age, a resident for at least 14 years and a "natural born citizen." The Arizona proposal, H2442, also would require that the secretary of state in Arizona independently verify that the documents submitted are correct. Any failure could cause the candidate's name to be withheld from the ballot, officials said. WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President." Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time. Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born. "Where's The Birth Certificate?" billboard helps light up the night at the Mandalay Bay resort on the Las Vegas Strip. Because of the dearth of information about Obama's eligibility, WND founder Joseph Farah has launched a campaign to raise contributions to post billboards asking a simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?" The campaign followed a petition that has collected more than 480,000 signatures demanding proof of his eligibility, the availability of yard signs raising the question and the production of permanent, detachable magnetic bumper stickers asking the question. The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny. Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth. If you are a member of the media and would like to interview Joseph Farah about this campaign, e-mail WND. www.wnd.com/index.php Last Edited by JOHNMAC on 01/23/2010 11:49 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865904 Canada 01/23/2010 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In his order, Carter states simply that he dismissed her case on Oct. 29 - meaning that there is no action currently pending, and so no case to transfer. In that dismissal, Carter ruled that the federal courts do not have the constitutional power to remove a sitting president - that only Congress has that authority. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 798520 United States 01/23/2010 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neil Lipken (23 Jan 2010) Quoting: JOHNMAC"Court date 1-26-10 Concerning Obama's birth status and eligibility to be President" I am sending this most interesting article on to my e-mail friends and to the Five Doves website. Thank the Most High for one courageous judge who is willing to take on Obama's birth status and eligibility to be President! It is reported that Mr. Obama has spent about $ 950,000 to keep this issue quiet and out of the court system. All indications are that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii, and is therefore not a naturalized U.S. citizen, meaning that by the U.S. Constitution he is not eligible to be President of the United States. Remember Arnold Schwartznegger? (Did I spell that right?) Some people wanted to amend the U.S. Constitution so he would be able to run for president. He was born in Austria, and therefore can never run for president. If you are excited about what this courageous judge is doing, then pass this on to all of your e-mail friends! Neil Federal Judge Carter sets Trial Date for Obama's Eligibility! The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010! Many concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.. Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one). The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President! The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times.. Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minut e hearing looking defeated and nervous. Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution! The truth about Barack Obama's eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it! Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories. She was fearless! This needs to be forwarded to everyone you know.... "Credibility refers to the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message." [link to en.wikipedia.org] 2 seconds on Google can prevent you from destroying your credibility. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 872170 United States 01/23/2010 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 865904In his order, Carter states simply that he dismissed her case on Oct. 29 - meaning that there is no action currently pending, and so no case to transfer. In that dismissal, Carter ruled that the federal courts do not have the constitutional power to remove a sitting president - that only Congress has that authority. The federal courts don't have to remove him. They just have to rule if he is eligible to be SCOTUS. Carter is a yellow-bellied lying cocksucker. If he ruled in favor of the plaintiff, Congress would be on the hook to yank Bo-Jangles. |
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Aquarius 7 User ID: 871467 United States 01/25/2010 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lawmakers jump into fray, seek answer to constitutional question Quoting: JOHNMACJan. 19, 2010 //... Thirdly, another significant factor is the estimated $1.7 million Obama has spent on court cases specifically preventing any of the documentation of his life to be revealed to the public. //,.,, . . Excellent article, OP. All of it. Especially the 1.7 million BOX has spent hiding the truth. . . . Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html . "Be kind, for everyone you know is fighting a hard battle" - Plato . "Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of life." ~ Hopi Prophecy . |
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Aquarius 7 User ID: 871467 United States 01/25/2010 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this same article last night and there was a concensus that this case had been dismissed so now I am really confused. Quoting: Say-It-Loud 874101It sure seems to be current. It sure seems to be valid. What have you heard? . . that particular case seems to be dismissed. the situation, however, is far from over. imho . . Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html . "Be kind, for everyone you know is fighting a hard battle" - Plato . "Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of life." ~ Hopi Prophecy . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 873691 United States 01/25/2010 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this same article last night and there was a concensus that this case had been dismissed so now I am really confused. Quoting: Aquarius 7It sure seems to be current. It sure seems to be valid. What have you heard? . . that particular case seems to be dismissed. the situation, however, is far from over. imho . So what do we do now? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647405 United States 01/25/2010 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this same article last night and there was a concensus that this case had been dismissed so now I am really confused. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 873691It sure seems to be current. It sure seems to be valid. What have you heard? . . that particular case seems to be dismissed. the situation, however, is far from over. imho . So what do we do now? Lets hope that Orly jumps in this to make it legit otherwise we are just jerking ourselfs off |
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Aquarius 7 User ID: 871467 United States 01/25/2010 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted this same article last night and there was a concensus that this case had been dismissed so now I am really confused. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 873691It sure seems to be current. It sure seems to be valid. What have you heard? . . that particular case seems to be dismissed. the situation, however, is far from over. imho . . So what do we do now? . . Keep our eyes and ears open. As new information emerges, spread the word far and wide. That may not seem like it's doing much, but if it's all one can do, then it does help those who can do more. Also, if you are of a mind to do so: ... . . . . Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html . "Be kind, for everyone you know is fighting a hard battle" - Plato . "Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of life." ~ Hopi Prophecy . |
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Rev-bo User ID: 538751 United States 01/27/2010 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | any updates today Quoting: Anonymous Coward 340451Case was dismissed. Orly filed Quo Warranto in DC, which will most likely be dismissed also. Her best shot is to get elected Attorney General or Secretary of State in California. Probably won't happen either, but then again, Brown just won in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, so I guess anything is possible. She'll definately have donations coming in from all over the place if she does run. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |