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322 - THE TWO WITNESSES HAVE ARRIVED!!!

 
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How do you know that they are 'Enoch and Elias'?
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Here:


3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths, and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain.

3 "My two witnesses"... It is commonly understood of Henoch and Elias.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss, shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified. 9 And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.

11 And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them that saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. 13 And at that hour there was made a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell: and there were slain in the earthquake names of men seven thousand: and the rest were cast into a fear, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past: and behold the third woe will come quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded the trumpet: and there were great voices in heaven, saying: The kingdom of this world is become our Lord's and his Christ's, and he shall reign for ever and ever. Amen."

Apocalypse 11:3-15/DRV

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Fine bloke, that Jesus guy (i am serious here..)

A historical figure who said some wise words which are still remembered these days. One of many in the past.

But thats just it for me, nothing more.
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"Who-WHO will watch The Watchmen"?

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I can find you just as many people who say that "The Two Witnesses" are "Moses and Elijah", "Enoch and Elijah", "Moses and Enoch", "Peter and John", "Jeremiah and John", "Daniel and Ezekiel"...etc...etc

And I can find you just as many people who say that it's just two people born in these Last Days, and that (like how John The Baptist did with Elijah") will come in the "Spirit" of "Moses and Elijah"... - Matthew 11:14

Point being...No one knows for certain...Only God, and God Alone...And...Who can defy His Will?

OwlMan
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Yes, someone DOES know FOR CERTAIN.

And her name is Holy Mother Church. She knows the answers and TEACHES her faithful the answers.

But, if you have set yourself up as God, and consider such knowledge unknowable, then this makes you just another garden variety heretic (i.e. Protestant).

Stop following your own religion and try following HIS - He has the answers.
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I don't have faith, my friend, I KNOW. For all of it's warts and missing parts the Good News is here. So simple a child can understand, but I guess it's like some electronic gizmos you have to get a child. Brother, we have to be like children and we are. There are so many things in this universe that we think we know and really do not.

Grace to you

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You call it knowledge, i call it your faith. Simply putting your faith in one-sided interpretations of an historical document has nothing to do with knowledge at all.
Its your choice to call it that way, but to me its simply dillusional.


It's not only the document!!! I have the Spirit of Truth. I didn't ask to tell, but I've been told I must. If I don't it gets really bad, here in the physical world.

Laugh, if you must ask Jesus to come into your life as your Saviour, repent of your sins, and be baptized in His Name.
Ask God what to do after that, you will feel the need to find others and yes read the Bible with new eyes.

You can a living testiment to the power of the Living God

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The Truth


Romans 1:18 says;
“The wrath of GOD is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.”

John 4:24 says;
“GOD is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

1 John 3:18 says;
“Let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.”

Psalm 145:18 says;
“The LORD is near to all who call upon him, to all who call upon him in truth.”

Ephesians 4:25 says;
“Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor.”

2 Corinthians 4:2 says;
“We have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of GOD, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of GOD.”

2 Timothy 4:3-4 says;
“Wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.”

Psalm 5:4-6 says;
“You are not a GOD who takes pleasure in wickedness; no evil dwells with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood; the LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.”

Isaiah 30:9-10 says;
“For this is a rebellious people, false sons, sons who refuse to listen to the instruction of the LORD, who say to the seers, you must not see visions and to the prophets you must not prophesy to us what is right, speak to us pleasant words, prophesy illusions…”
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How do you know that they are 'Enoch and Elias'?


Here:


3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.

3 "My two witnesses"... It is commonly understood of Henoch and Elias.

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And Moses and Elijah, and Moses and Enoch, and Jeremiah and John, and Peter and John...And Daniel and Ezekiel...etc...etc

Only God and God Alone knows exactly who "The Two Witnesses" are...

The was the very point of my post...

Let us look to Jesus...Who is The Author and Finisher of our Faith...


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I can find you just as many people who say that "The Two Witnesses" are "Moses and Elijah", "Enoch and Elijah", "Moses and Enoch", "Peter and John", "Jeremiah and John", "Daniel and Ezekiel"...etc...etc

And I can find you just as many people who say that it's just two people born in these Last Days, and that (like how John The Baptist did with Elijah") will come in the "Spirit" of "Moses and Elijah"... - Matthew 11:14

Point being...No one knows for certain...Only God, and God Alone...And...Who can defy His Will?

OwlMan



Yes, someone DOES know FOR CERTAIN.

And her name is Holy Mother Church. She knows the answers and TEACHES her faithful the answers.

But, if you have set yourself up as God, and consider such knowledge unknowable, then this makes you just another garden variety heretic (i.e. Protestant).

Stop following your own religion and try following HIS - He has the answers.
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"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" - Revelation 17:5


He that has an ear, let him hear...

May The Lord God bless you and keep you through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in these Last Days and Forevermore...

Sincerely,

OwlMan
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How do you know that they are 'Enoch and Elias'?


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3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths, and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain.

3 "My two witnesses"... It is commonly understood of Henoch and Elias.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss, shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified. 9 And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.

11 And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them that saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. 13 And at that hour there was made a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell: and there were slain in the earthquake names of men seven thousand: and the rest were cast into a fear, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past: and behold the third woe will come quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded the trumpet: and there were great voices in heaven, saying: The kingdom of this world is become our Lord's and his Christ's, and he shall reign for ever and ever. Amen."

Apocalypse 11:3-15/DRV

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We shall see. I have the Codex Sinaiticus in front of me and it says nothing about the identity of the two lampstands or 2 olive trees. That is God's place not man's.
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I don't have faith, my friend, I KNOW. For all of it's warts and missing parts the Good News is here. So simple a child can understand, but I guess it's like some electronic gizmos you have to get a child. Brother, we have to be like children and we are. There are so many things in this universe that we think we know and really do not.

Grace to you

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You call it knowledge, i call it your faith. Simply putting your faith in one-sided interpretations of an historical document has nothing to do with knowledge at all.
Its your choice to call it that way, but to me its simply dillusional.
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A clearification of faith for you...

Faith
Most of what is written about faith in religious books miss the mark because the word itself is not understood. In modern English “faith” means believing in something for which there is no substantial proof. But the Greek word pistis, used in the New Testament, means stability in personal knowledge drawn from one’s own experience. It also means to be loyal to that knowledge by living in accordance with it. Pistis also means to be confident in our experiential knowledge. Faith cannot be “awakened” in a person by reading books, listening to discourses, or engaging in discussions. It comes only from within, from his own self. Saint Paul underlined this when he wrote that “faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”2 Note that he says substance and evidence. Faith is not an insubstantial idea. This is no matter of mere intellectual acceptance or emotional hope. Faith is proof that a person has experienced the reality of something; it is not a mere conviction based on reason or feeling.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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How do you know that they are 'Enoch and Elias'?


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3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire shall come out of their mouths, and shall devour their enemies. And if any man will hurt them, in this manner must he be slain.

3 "My two witnesses"... It is commonly understood of Henoch and Elias.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and they have power over waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast, that ascendeth out of the abyss, shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified. 9 And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.

11 And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them that saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them. 13 And at that hour there was made a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell: and there were slain in the earthquake names of men seven thousand: and the rest were cast into a fear, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past: and behold the third woe will come quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded the trumpet: and there were great voices in heaven, saying: The kingdom of this world is become our Lord's and his Christ's, and he shall reign for ever and ever. Amen."

Apocalypse 11:3-15/DRV

[link to www.drbo.org]


We shall see. I have the Codex Sinaiticus in front of me and it says nothing about the identity of the two lampstands or 2 olive trees. That is God's place not man's.
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Amen...

May The Lord God bless you and keep you...

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I have a testomony and a witnessing of New Yerushalayim (Place of Holy teaching)

A sphere of gold about the size of a grapefruit descended from the heavens and flew out over a field of all kinds of machine parts. They magnetized to it as it buried itself into the earth. Under the parts were precious stones of all kinds and they too flew up into the air. What followed was an alchemy of incredible proportions that landed in the form of golden walls, streets, buildings, etc. Circuitapestries adornd the walls in a harmonious distribution of purpose, perfection and beauty.

The profile of the city was one of a sloped pyramid like and inverted funnel and the footprint was like a tiered spiral. The nature and struture of it emittogenerated its own light/energy.

It formed at a time when the ground and sky were covered in ash. The formation of the City cleared them in just a few seconds and, a garden sprang forth from the ground like the earth rejoicing in the wake of it's establishing.
The earth and sky were reborn in the blink of an eye.

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"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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I can find you just as many people who say that "The Two Witnesses" are "Moses and Elijah", "Enoch and Elijah", "Moses and Enoch", "Peter and John", "Jeremiah and John", "Daniel and Ezekiel"...etc...etc

And I can find you just as many people who say that it's just two people born in these Last Days, and that (like how John The Baptist did with Elijah") will come in the "Spirit" of "Moses and Elijah"... - Matthew 11:14

Point being...No one knows for certain...Only God, and God Alone...And...Who can defy His Will?

OwlMan



Yes, someone DOES know FOR CERTAIN.

And her name is Holy Mother Church. She knows the answers and TEACHES her faithful the answers.

But, if you have set yourself up as God, and consider such knowledge unknowable, then this makes you just another garden variety heretic (i.e. Protestant).

Stop following your own religion and try following HIS - He has the answers.

There is no other way to the Kingdom except through our Lord Jesus Christ. If were different he would have said so.
Woe to the 'crystal palaces of man'.

Peace be with you



"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" - Revelation 17:5


He that has an ear, let him hear...

May The Lord God bless you and keep you through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in these Last Days and Forevermore...

Sincerely,

OwlMan
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I can find you just as many people who say that "The Two Witnesses" are "Moses and Elijah", "Enoch and Elijah", "Moses and Enoch", "Peter and John", "Jeremiah and John", "Daniel and Ezekiel"...etc...etc

And I can find you just as many people who say that it's just two people born in these Last Days, and that (like how John The Baptist did with Elijah") will come in the "Spirit" of "Moses and Elijah"... - Matthew 11:14

Point being...No one knows for certain...Only God, and God Alone...And...Who can defy His Will?

OwlMan



Yes, someone DOES know FOR CERTAIN.

And her name is Holy Mother Church. She knows the answers and TEACHES her faithful the answers.

But, if you have set yourself up as God, and consider such knowledge unknowable, then this makes you just another garden variety heretic (i.e. Protestant).

Stop following your own religion and try following HIS - He has the answers.

There is no other way to the Kingdom except through our Lord Jesus Christ. If were different he would have said so.
Woe to the 'crystal palaces of man'.

Peace be with you



"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" - Revelation 17:5


He that has an ear, let him hear...

May The Lord God bless you and keep you through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in these Last Days and Forevermore...

Sincerely,

OwlMan

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There is no other way to the Kingdom except through our Lord Jesus Christ. If were different he would have said so.
Woe to the 'crystal palaces of man'.

Peace be with you
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Just selecting a few biblical scriptures doesnt make up for 'truth'... for fuck sake.

You scripture-quoters seem to forget your kind of 'truth' ONLY applies within a very narrow, dogmatic mind-frame that takes the Bible as truthfull for everything in life.
You are like drugaddicts craving for heroine or cocaine.

To know about reality and truth you have to get of your high chair, and study all kind of religions and philosophies (including science and agnostic and atheistic views).

If there is a God (which i very much doubt), he would laugh at you or shake his head for basing your 'truth' on just a single, historical / theological book. An influential one indeed, but thats all.
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Enoch

And Jared lived a hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Henoch. And Jared lived after he begot Henoch, eight hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. And all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years: and he died. And Henoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Mathusala. And Henoch walked with God: and lived after he begot Mathusala, three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. And all the days of Henoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And he walked with God, and was seen no more: because God took him. (Genesis 5:18-24)

Ecclesiasticus 44:16: Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations.

Hebrews 11:5: By faith Henoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God.

Jude 1:14-16: Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints: To execute judgment upon all and to reprove all the ungodly for all the works of their ungodliness, whereby they have done ungodly: and for all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against God. These are murmurers, full of complaints, walking according to their own desires: and their mouth speaketh proud things, admiring persons, for gain's sake.



Elias

And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (4 Kings 2:11)

Behold I will send you Elias the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers: lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema. (Malachias 4:5-6)

Elias was a man passible like unto us: and with prayer he prayed that it might not rain upon the earth. And it rained not for three years and six months. And he prayed again. And the heaven gave rain: and the earth brought forth her fruit. (James 5:17-18)



Apocalypse 11:7-10: And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified Note well in the Bible Jerusalem usually means heaven, so Saint John in the Apocalypse in order to indicate the actual city Jerusalem says:. where their Lord also was crucified.

Read about the last party: Apocalypse 11:9-10: And they of the tribes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.



Enoch and Elias Are Raised From the Dead



Apocalypse 11:11-12: And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon then that saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them.

Now we begin to move into the final stage of events with an earthquake.

Apocalypse 11:13: And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into a fear and gave glory to the God of heaven.





From The Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda: 487.After having thus favored the heavenly Princess, our Savior distributed the sacramental bread to the Apostles (Luke 22, 17), commanding them to divide it among themselves and partake of it. By this commandment He conferred upon them the sacerdotal dignity and they began to exercise it by giving Communion each to Himself. This they did with the greatest reverence, shedding copious tears and adoring the body and blood of our Lord, whom they were receiving. They were established in the power of the priesthood, as being founders of the holy Church and enjoying the distinction of priority over all others (Ephes. 2, 20). Then saint Peter, at the command of Christ the Lord, administered two of the particles of holy Communion to the two patriarchs, Enoch and Elias. This holy Communion so rejoiced these two holy men, that they were encouraged anew in their hope of the beatific vision, which for them was to be deferred for so many ages, and they were strengthened to live on in this hope until the end of the world. Having given most to the Almighty for this blessing, they were brought back to their abiding-place by the hands of the holy angels. The Lord desired to work this miracle in order to pledge Himself to include the ancient natural and written laws in the benefits of the Incarnation, Redemption and general resurrection; since all these mysteries were contained in the most holy Eucharist. By thus communicating Himself to the two holy men, Enoch and Elias, who were still in their mortal flesh, these blessings were extended over the human race such as it existed under the natural and the written laws, while all the succeeding generations were to be included in the new law of grace, the Apostles at the head. This was all well understood by Enoch and Elias, and, returning to the midst of their contemporaries, they gave thanks to their and our Redeemer for this mysterious blessing.
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There is no other way to the Kingdom except through our Lord Jesus Christ. If were different he would have said so.
Woe to the 'crystal palaces of man'.

Peace be with you
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Luke:10:25-28

One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: "Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?"

Jesus replied, "What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?"

He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Hebrews 11:5 By faith Henoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God.

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Just selecting a few biblical scriptures doesnt make up for 'truth'... for fuck sake.

You scripture-quoters seem to forget your kind of 'truth' ONLY applies within a very narrow, dogmatic mind-frame that takes the Bible as truthfull for everything in life.
You are like drugaddicts craving for heroine or cocaine.

To know about reality and truth you have to get of your high chair, and study all kind of religions and philosophies (including science and agnostic and atheistic views).

If there is a God (which i very much doubt), he would laugh at you or shake his head for basing your 'truth' on just a single, historical / theological book. An influential one indeed, but thats all.
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The Truth

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Just selecting a few biblical scriptures doesnt make up for 'truth'... for fuck sake.

You scripture-quoters seem to forget your kind of 'truth' ONLY applies within a very narrow, dogmatic mind-frame that takes the Bible as truthfull for everything in life.
You are like drugaddicts craving for heroine or cocaine.

To know about reality and truth you have to get of your high chair, and study all kind of religions and philosophies (including science and agnostic and atheistic views).

If there is a God (which i very much doubt), he would laugh at you or shake his head for basing your 'truth' on just a single, historical / theological book. An influential one indeed, but thats all.
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I have and that's why I'm a slave of sorts. I got a rather rude awakening. How was it? I used to say there is no such thing as gods, fate or luck you make your own.
I do still look and frankly understand man's view.
We cannot see everything from where we 'sit'.

You have not been there. I hope the Lord is merciful and your awakening isn't as rude
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And read the Haydock commentary here:

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Hebrews 11:5 By faith Henoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God.

Here's the part that the server messed up when I wasn't logged in (couldn't edit).
 Quoting: birdie



"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven" - II Corinthians 12:2

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" - Revelation 4:1

This has happened to many in The Word Of God...But...It does not necessarily pin-point them as one of "The Two Witnesses"...

Nice try though...lol

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Ge 19:17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.


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Enoch

And Jared lived a hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Henoch. And Jared lived after he begot Henoch, eight hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. And all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years: and he died. And Henoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Mathusala. And Henoch walked with God: and lived after he begot Mathusala, three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters. And all the days of Henoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And he walked with God, and was seen no more: because God took him. (Genesis 5:18-24)

Ecclesiasticus 44:16: Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations.

Hebrews 11:5: By faith Henoch was translated that he should not see death: and he was not found because God had translated him. For before his translation he had testimony that he pleased God.

Jude 1:14-16: Now of these Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying: Behold, the Lord cometh with thousands of his saints: To execute judgment upon all and to reprove all the ungodly for all the works of their ungodliness, whereby they have done ungodly: and for all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against God. These are murmurers, full of complaints, walking according to their own desires: and their mouth speaketh proud things, admiring persons, for gain's sake.



Elias

And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (4 Kings 2:11)

Behold I will send you Elias the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers: lest I come, and strike the earth with anathema. (Malachias 4:5-6)

Elias was a man passible like unto us: and with prayer he prayed that it might not rain upon the earth. And it rained not for three years and six months. And he prayed again. And the heaven gave rain: and the earth brought forth her fruit. (James 5:17-18)



Apocalypse 11:7-10: And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them. And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified Note well in the Bible Jerusalem usually means heaven, so Saint John in the Apocalypse in order to indicate the actual city Jerusalem says:. where their Lord also was crucified.

Read about the last party: Apocalypse 11:9-10: And they of the tribes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them and make merry: and shall send gifts one to another, because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth.



Enoch and Elias Are Raised From the Dead



Apocalypse 11:11-12: And after three days and a half, the spirit of life from God entered into them. And they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon then that saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them: Come up hither. And they went up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies saw them.

Now we begin to move into the final stage of events with an earthquake.

Apocalypse 11:13: And at that hour there was made a great earthquake: and the tenth part of the city fell. And there were slain in the earthquake, names of men, seven thousand: and the rest were cast into a fear and gave glory to the God of heaven.





From The Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda: 487.After having thus favored the heavenly Princess, our Savior distributed the sacramental bread to the Apostles (Luke 22, 17), commanding them to divide it among themselves and partake of it. By this commandment He conferred upon them the sacerdotal dignity and they began to exercise it by giving Communion each to Himself. This they did with the greatest reverence, shedding copious tears and adoring the body and blood of our Lord, whom they were receiving. They were established in the power of the priesthood, as being founders of the holy Church and enjoying the distinction of priority over all others (Ephes. 2, 20). Then saint Peter, at the command of Christ the Lord, administered two of the particles of holy Communion to the two patriarchs, Enoch and Elias. This holy Communion so rejoiced these two holy men, that they were encouraged anew in their hope of the beatific vision, which for them was to be deferred for so many ages, and they were strengthened to live on in this hope until the end of the world. Having given most to the Almighty for this blessing, they were brought back to their abiding-place by the hands of the holy angels. The Lord desired to work this miracle in order to pledge Himself to include the ancient natural and written laws in the benefits of the Incarnation, Redemption and general resurrection; since all these mysteries were contained in the most holy Eucharist. By thus communicating Himself to the two holy men, Enoch and Elias, who were still in their mortal flesh, these blessings were extended over the human race such as it existed under the natural and the written laws, while all the succeeding generations were to be included in the new law of grace, the Apostles at the head. This was all well understood by Enoch and Elias, and, returning to the midst of their contemporaries, they gave thanks to their and our Redeemer for this mysterious blessing.
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I'm sorry I will deify Mary. I will honor her, but that's all. THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERCESSOR WITH THE FATHER THAT IS THE CHRIST
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The Truth

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Just selecting a few biblical scriptures doesnt make up for 'truth'... for fuck sake.

You scripture-quoters seem to forget your kind of 'truth' ONLY applies within a very narrow, dogmatic mind-frame that takes the Bible as truthfull for everything in life.
You are like drugaddicts craving for heroine or cocaine.

To know about reality and truth you have to get of your high chair, and study all kind of religions and philosophies (including science and agnostic and atheistic views).

If there is a God (which i very much doubt), he would laugh at you or shake his head for basing your 'truth' on just a single, historical / theological book. An influential one indeed, but thats all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 706657


Then you can relate to THIS huh?

Very simply the Luciferian philosophy is,

"Adam and Eve were held prisoner in the bonds of ignorance by an unjust and vindictive God in the Garden of Eden. They were set free from their chains (Evolution through "Primordial Knowing") by Lucifer (Prometheus) through his agent Satan in the guise of a serpent (ancient symbol of Wisdom) with the gift of Intellect (Fire). Through the use of his intellect man will perfect the race (Anglo/Aryan) and will himself become God (promise of Satan to Adam and Eve)."
Any religion, church, organization, or People who believe they are God, will become God, or are becoming God is practicing the Luciferian philosophy of the Mystery Schools, and are acting in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The Luciferian philosophy is a metaphor for the development of the perfected man (Marxist/Leninist) through the process of evolution by learning how to dominate and control nature (called science). The result (they say) will be the apotheosis of the race of mankind and the elimination of all who cannot make this paradigm shift in the coming New Age. The Soviet Union was the most perfect expression of illuminist secular humanist philosophy that has ever been presented before the eyes of an ignorant but gullible public. Now they strive for enslavement of the human race in the new utopia. This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Deification of Christians


John 17:22 says;
“And the glory which you gave me I have given them that they may be one just as we are one.”

Ephesians 5:1 says;
“Therefore be imitators of GOD.”

Galatians 2:20 says;
“It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me.”

Colossians 3:11 says;
“Christ is all and in all.”

1 Corinthians 6:17 says;
“He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.”

1 Corinthians 12:27 says;
“Now you are the body of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 6:15 says;
“Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Galatians 3:27 says;
“All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”

1 John 2:20 says;
“But you have an anointing from the Holy one, and you know all.”

1 Corinthians 2:16 says;
“We have the mind of Christ.”

1 John 2:27 says;
“But as his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and not a lie.”

Revelations 3:21 says;
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Ephesians 4:24 says;
“And put on the new self, which in the likeness of GOD has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.”

1 Corinthians 3:16 says;
“Do you not know that you are the temple of GOD and that the spirit of GOD dwells in you?”

2 Corinthians 6:16 says;
“For we are the temple of the living GOD; just as GOD has said. “I will dwell in them and walk among them…”

John 14:12 says;
“He who believes in me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do.”

Luke 10:16 says;
“The one who listens to you listens to me, and the one who rejects you rejects me.”

2 Corinthians 3:18 says;
“But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory…”

1 Corinthians 11:3 says;
“But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman; and GOD is the head of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 12:13 says;
“For in one spirit we were all baptized into one body.”

1 Corinthians 10:17 says;
“We, though many, are one body.”

Ephesians 2:22 says;
“You also are being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit

Philippians 1:20 says;
“Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.”

Hebrews 3:6 says;
“Christ was faithful as a son over his house- whose house we are…”

1 Corinthians 3:9 says;
“You are God’s field, God’s building…”

Ephesians 2:21-22 says;
“The whole building being fitted together, is growing into a Holy Temple in the Lord. In whom you are also being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit.”

1 John 1:5 says;
“GOD is light.”

Matthew 5:14 says;
“You are the light of the world.”

John 20:23 says;
“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained

Psalm 51:1-2 says;
“Be gracious to me O GOD, according to your lovingkindness; according to the greatness of your compassion blot out my transgressions.”
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And read the Haydock commentary here:

[link to haydock1859.tripod.com]
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no, in Matthew our Lord referenced John as Elijah
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I have and that's why I'm a slave of sorts. I got a rather rude awakening. How was it? I used to say there is no such thing as gods, fate or luck you make your own.
I do still look and frankly understand man's view.
We cannot see everything from where we 'sit'.

You have not been there. I hope the Lord is merciful and your awakening isn't as rude

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Well, good for you, I hope you feel at ease with it.

But are you saying to me that, after a long period of 'shit' you did find God / the bible and it gave you relieve?

Fine if it works for you, but who says that it should work for everyone that way? If somebody finds peace of mind in life, without getting a dogmatic christian does that make him or her a lesser person?
And who says every born again christian is really true to themselves? What about the former drug addict who simply 'changes' one form of drug (Alcohol, cocaine whatever) to another (biblestudy, following dogmatic rules?). Are these people really 'free'?
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no, in Matthew our Lord referenced John as Elijah
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"And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come" - Jesus The Christ - Matthew 11:14


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The Truth

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Just selecting a few biblical scriptures doesnt make up for 'truth'... for fuck sake.

You scripture-quoters seem to forget your kind of 'truth' ONLY applies within a very narrow, dogmatic mind-frame that takes the Bible as truthfull for everything in life.
You are like drugaddicts craving for heroine or cocaine.

To know about reality and truth you have to get of your high chair, and study all kind of religions and philosophies (including science and agnostic and atheistic views).

If there is a God (which i very much doubt), he would laugh at you or shake his head for basing your 'truth' on just a single, historical / theological book. An influential one indeed, but thats all.


Then you can relate to THIS huh?

Very simply the Luciferian philosophy is,

"Adam and Eve were held prisoner in the bonds of ignorance by an unjust and vindictive God in the Garden of Eden. They were set free from their chains (Evolution through "Primordial Knowing") by Lucifer (Prometheus) through his agent Satan in the guise of a serpent (ancient symbol of Wisdom) with the gift of Intellect (Fire). Through the use of his intellect man will perfect the race (Anglo/Aryan) and will himself become God (promise of Satan to Adam and Eve)."
Any religion, church, organization, or People who believe they are God, will become God, or are becoming God is practicing the Luciferian philosophy of the Mystery Schools, and are acting in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The Luciferian philosophy is a metaphor for the development of the perfected man (Marxist/Leninist) through the process of evolution by learning how to dominate and control nature (called science). The result (they say) will be the apotheosis of the race of mankind and the elimination of all who cannot make this paradigm shift in the coming New Age. The Soviet Union was the most perfect expression of illuminist secular humanist philosophy that has ever been presented before the eyes of an ignorant but gullible public. Now they strive for enslavement of the human race in the new utopia. This will be brought about through deception, manipulation, and psychological operations which make up the art of illusion called magic.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Deification of Christians


John 17:22 says;
“And the glory which you gave me I have given them that they may be one just as we are one.”

Ephesians 5:1 says;
“Therefore be imitators of GOD.”

Galatians 2:20 says;
“It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me.”

Colossians 3:11 says;
“Christ is all and in all.”

1 Corinthians 6:17 says;
“He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.”

1 Corinthians 12:27 says;
“Now you are the body of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 6:15 says;
“Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Galatians 3:27 says;
“All of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.”

1 John 2:20 says;
“But you have an anointing from the Holy one, and you know all.”

1 Corinthians 2:16 says;
“We have the mind of Christ.”

1 John 2:27 says;
“But as his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and not a lie.”

Revelations 3:21 says;
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne, as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Ephesians 4:24 says;
“And put on the new self, which in the likeness of GOD has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.”

1 Corinthians 3:16 says;
“Do you not know that you are the temple of GOD and that the spirit of GOD dwells in you?”

2 Corinthians 6:16 says;
“For we are the temple of the living GOD; just as GOD has said. “I will dwell in them and walk among them…”

John 14:12 says;
“He who believes in me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do.”

Luke 10:16 says;
“The one who listens to you listens to me, and the one who rejects you rejects me.”

2 Corinthians 3:18 says;
“But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory…”

1 Corinthians 11:3 says;
“But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman; and GOD is the head of Christ.”

1 Corinthians 12:13 says;
“For in one spirit we were all baptized into one body.”

1 Corinthians 10:17 says;
“We, though many, are one body.”

Ephesians 2:22 says;
“You also are being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit

Philippians 1:20 says;
“Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.”

Hebrews 3:6 says;
“Christ was faithful as a son over his house- whose house we are…”

1 Corinthians 3:9 says;
“You are God’s field, God’s building…”

Ephesians 2:21-22 says;
“The whole building being fitted together, is growing into a Holy Temple in the Lord. In whom you are also being built together into a dwelling of GOD in the spirit.”

1 John 1:5 says;
“GOD is light.”

Matthew 5:14 says;
“You are the light of the world.”

John 20:23 says;
“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained

Psalm 51:1-2 says;
“Be gracious to me O GOD, according to your lovingkindness; according to the greatness of your compassion blot out my transgressions.”
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I have and that's why I'm a slave of sorts. I got a rather rude awakening. How was it? I used to say there is no such thing as gods, fate or luck you make your own.
I do still look and frankly understand man's view.
We cannot see everything from where we 'sit'.

You have not been there. I hope the Lord is merciful and your awakening isn't as rude

Reaction:
Well, good for you, I hope you feel at ease with it.

But are you saying to me that, after a long period of 'shit' you did find God / the bible and it gave you relieve?

Fine if it works for you, but who says that it should work for everyone that way? If somebody finds peace of mind in life, without getting a dogmatic christian does that make him or her a lesser person?
And who says every born again christian is really true to themselves? What about the former drug addict who simply 'changes' one form of drug (Alcohol, cocaine whatever) to another (biblestudy, following dogmatic rules?). Are these people really 'free'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 706657


Yes, his burden is light. The rules are simple. I know there is a lot of 'dogma' out there. Those are man's rules.
The Spirit guides, not man.





GLP