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Anonymous Coward User ID: 882779 New Zealand 02/05/2010 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone know of any examples where the truth is.blurred through using history books to make up stories and cite them as fact? Doesn't it sometimes seem like the history books want to paint a certain picture that they want to impose on us and such? Quoting: TXLyes... everything you think of as history. But rather than research this, and cast your chronological boat adrift whn you realise how hard it is top find stable alterantive history, you will do what most do and just accept the shite you are taught, and re-belive it all 'must have happened' lik what i was taught. Its all shit. Really, think about it enough and you will KNOW that really it can only total and utter shit. Human nature dictates it thus. Andthe biggest events you belive happened most likey did not happen even close to how you think they did. But are you willing to embrace the lost feeling this realisation brings? Probrably not. Or you would not be asking. You would KNOW that the truth, as far as history goes is not only unatainable theoreticaly, but also entirely corrupted, made up, created and designed to help contol how we think. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 577234 United States 02/05/2010 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | History teachers are more important because they will chose which books their students will be learning from and in what manner the information presented. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882874not in k-12 they are chosen from a few companies who have all been inundated with liberal marxist writers in america compare older histy books as i said earlier from the 50's - 80's to the crap they pawn off as us history today |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 835682 United States 02/05/2010 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NC kids will no longer be taught about Lincoln and our founding fathers He may be the president who governed during the Civil War, freeing the slaves, but under a new curriculum proposal for North Carolina high schools, U.S. history would begin years after President Lincoln, with the presidency of Rutherford B. Hayes in 1877. [link to obama-oversight.blogspot.com] Wasn't there a thread on this yesterday? |
Nothing Is True User ID: 881413 United Kingdom 02/05/2010 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | History teachers are more important because they will chose which books their students will be learning from and in what manner the information presented. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 577234-------- not in k-12 they are chosen from a few companies who have all been inundated with liberal marxist writers in america compare older histy books as i said earlier from the 50's - 80's to the crap they pawn off as us history today ..and that phenomenon will be studied by historians in the future. Everything is permitted.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 835682 United States 02/05/2010 06:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: ***North Carolina schools to teach "global studies" but no US history before 1877*** here is a link to the other thread about NC |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 881156 United States 02/05/2010 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882873that is so true! last night my daughter asked me how to spell history. then she said.. "mom.. listen to this.. his story!" then she laughed out loud like she was the first person to ever think of that. then she decided it's supposed to be "hi story!" you start it off by saying 'hi' then the rest of the story. |
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Collective Thought User ID: 836794 United States 02/05/2010 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 881156that is so true! last night my daughter asked me how to spell history. then she said.. "mom.. listen to this.. his story!" then she laughed out loud like she was the first person to ever think of that. then she decided it's supposed to be "hi story!" you start it off by saying 'hi' then the rest of the story. Thats pretty cool The Ministry of Propaganda of the People - [link to www.collective-thought.org] Without the pen of Paine, the sword of Washington would have been wielded in vain. ~ John Adams |
Vesper User ID: 860438 United States 02/05/2010 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Noticed it on Jeopardy today. "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave." Diogenes "Some have little power to do good, and have likewise little strength to resist evil" (Samuel Johnson). "The basic difference between an ordinary man and a warrior is that a warrior takes everything as a challenge, while an ordinary man takes everything as a blessing or as a curse."--Don Juan |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 855077 United States 02/05/2010 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl. Quoting: Collective Thoughtthat is so true! last night my daughter asked me how to spell history. then she said.. "mom.. listen to this.. his story!" then she laughed out loud like she was the first person to ever think of that. then she decided it's supposed to be "hi story!" you start it off by saying 'hi' then the rest of the story. Thats pretty cool Not as much as your photo. Sizzling! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 870060 United States 02/05/2010 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything from history anyone feels could have been made up to suit a certain agenda? And if so, do explain! Quoting: TXLWell, the whole charade about the civil war (War of Northern Aggression) being fought to free the slaves is a good example. However, that could be to our advantage if some of the states get together and decide to assert our original constitutional rights. |
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Nothing Is True User ID: 500937 United Kingdom 02/06/2010 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything from history anyone feels could have been made up to suit a certain agenda? And if so, do explain! Quoting: TXLHere's an example of history not being 'made up', but being presented in a different way in order to tell a completely different story (which is the way it works most of the time). It's difficult to make things up entirely, because there's too many amateur historians out there. You can't just make stuff up these days - but you can present the evidence there is in many different ways. Throughout the 20th century - especially in the post-war years and up to the 70's, the early history of Britain was described in terms of 'waves of invasion' (Look at any history text book or schoolbook). Our island was 'conquered' or 'invaded' by, 'Beaker people' in the Bronze Age, continental tribes in the Iron Age, then the Romans, then Vikings, Normans and so-on. Each of them brought new pottery, new technology, new language etc. These were 'violent' invasions and this version of history was a direct reflection of the age - the 1st and 2nd world wars and the threat of invasion influenced the way history was interpreted. In the late 70's through the 80's and 90's, this version of history changed (again, you'll see it in the text books and schoolbooks). The new story was that these periods in British history were closer to being 'consensual agreements' rather than outright 'invasions'. Changes in pottery styles were put down to 'fashion', new technology was due to new international contact through trade etc. Despite there being evidence of violence in some cases, these events were now seen to be largely 'peaceful invasions'. Material culture changed because of fashion rather than force; Changes in language and currency now seen as matters of political and economic expediency. Everything was about international trade and 'assimilation' rather than 'invasion'. Again, history becomes a reflection of the age in which it is being written. Back to the present.. The BBC have a new series out here in the UK called 'Seven Ages Of Britain'. It's one of the BBC's 'flagship' type programs - 'David Dimbleby charts a landmark history of Britain's greatest art and artefacts over 2,000 years, in Seven Ages Of Britain. The seven-part series of 60-minute programmes, shot in HD, begins at 9.00pm on Sunday 31 January 2010.' The first programme in the series was called....'The Age of Conquest'!!! It was all about invasions. Looks like history is changing again! The history of Britain is going back to being a history of conquests and invasions - a reflection of the age? Is the past a reflection of the present? Does the past inform the present? You can't change the 'facts' of history as such, but you can interpret them and present them in such a way as to argue almost any point. Whether that 'point' becomes the 'accepted' story or not is very much down to the political mood of the day. Hope that helps. Everything is permitted.. |
TXL (OP) User ID: 857557 United States 02/06/2010 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anything from history anyone feels could have been made up to suit a certain agenda? And if so, do explain! Quoting: Nothing Is TrueHere's an example of history not being 'made up', but being presented in a different way in order to tell a completely different story (which is the way it works most of the time). It's difficult to make things up entirely, because there's too many amateur historians out there. You can't just make stuff up these days - but you can present the evidence there is in many different ways. Throughout the 20th century - especially in the post-war years and up to the 70's, the early history of Britain was described in terms of 'waves of invasion' (Look at any history text book or schoolbook). Our island was 'conquered' or 'invaded' by, 'Beaker people' in the Bronze Age, continental tribes in the Iron Age, then the Romans, then Vikings, Normans and so-on. Each of them brought new pottery, new technology, new language etc. These were 'violent' invasions and this version of history was a direct reflection of the age - the 1st and 2nd world wars and the threat of invasion influenced the way history was interpreted. In the late 70's through the 80's and 90's, this version of history changed (again, you'll see it in the text books and schoolbooks). The new story was that these periods in British history were closer to being 'consensual agreements' rather than outright 'invasions'. Changes in pottery styles were put down to 'fashion', new technology was due to new international contact through trade etc. Despite there being evidence of violence in some cases, these events were now seen to be largely 'peaceful invasions'. Material culture changed because of fashion rather than force; Changes in language and currency now seen as matters of political and economic expediency. Everything was about international trade and 'assimilation' rather than 'invasion'. Again, history becomes a reflection of the age in which it is being written. Back to the present.. The BBC have a new series out here in the UK called 'Seven Ages Of Britain'. It's one of the BBC's 'flagship' type programs - 'David Dimbleby charts a landmark history of Britain's greatest art and artefacts over 2,000 years, in Seven Ages Of Britain. The seven-part series of 60-minute programmes, shot in HD, begins at 9.00pm on Sunday 31 January 2010.' The first programme in the series was called....'The Age of Conquest'!!! It was all about invasions. Looks like history is changing again! The history of Britain is going back to being a history of conquests and invasions - a reflection of the age? Is the past a reflection of the present? Does the past inform the present? You can't change the 'facts' of history as such, but you can interpret them and present them in such a way as to argue almost any point. Whether that 'point' becomes the 'accepted' story or not is very much down to the political mood of the day. Hope that helps. Hey, thanks a lot. That was really interesting and I never really thought about it in a Britain invasion sort of way, at least not when reading about the early 20th century. |
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