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Does THX 1138's symbolism describe modern society?

 
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Does THX 1138's symbolism describe modern society?
This is a quote from George Lucas about THX 1138 (all from the DVD commentary):

“It was designed really to be an experience, a metaphor about the way we lived in the early‘60s, about consumerism, about conformity, disintegration of emotions, about trying to make everything perfect in a way that was nightmarish...The film is meant on a lot of different levels as a metaphor and there’s lots of symbolism of our hero actually building robots, being very godlike in nature, creating men, the men who ultimately chase him and who are the authority figures in this society...The people here are put on drugs and controlled through the belief system that there is a higher being and that higher being has the capacity to give you more units for your job and this. The higher entity is the ultimate boss here but of course again the higher entity doesn’t really exist. And that is the unique thing about this particular society is that there is no villain in the piece, the villain is the society itself but it’s not personified other than a picture of a higher being so as THX’s drugs wear off he becomes less capable of handling his fear and emotion and stress and anxiety and he collapses and then we have a transition into life with emotion.”

Breaking down all the symbolism mentioned above describes most of society's problems today:

consumerism - You are what you eat, you become what you think about, your focus determines your reality. Consumerism keeps the NWO machine going, it keeps people poor, and it keeps people asleep.

conformity - The enemy of individuals.

disintegration of emotions - Don't worry, be happy. Only focus on the positive. If you're feeling down, get drunk or pop a pill. Don't feel your natural emotions, don't be natural. This is the message of our society. Is that positive?

trying to make everything perfect in a way that was nightmarish - Patriot Act, Homeland Security, Health Bill (thank goodness the people finally stood up)

our hero actually building robots, being very godlike in nature, creating men, the men who ultimately chase him and who are the authority figures in this society- Think of teachers whose classrooms are full of future soldiers and policeman who, if martial law is ordered, will hunt down those some teachers. Expand that to every level society including churches, youth clubs, etc. When you consider how we police each other and support tyrannical laws, we're all contributing to "building robots" who will hunt us down in one way or another.

The people here are put on drugs - Drugs can be anything from money to TV to relationships. Anything you're addicted to that gives you a high and keeps you going. All of that is pushed through the media. Practically every character in TV shows and movies is an addict, TPTB want addiction to seem normal, they want it to seem like the answer. If you're addicted to something, anything, you're easier to control.

controlled through the belief system that there is a higher being - "There has never been a religious movement on Earth that wasn't a little political. And, there has never been a political movement that didn't have a little religious." - Jordan Maxwell

that higher being has the capacity to give you more units for your job and this - "Elitism can convince any fool that he/she deserves the perks. Let's call it as it is, corruption." - Alan Watt

"Join our group and god will answer your prayers." Nice sales pitch. That is elitism, thinking that you're better than others and that you deserve special treatment.

The higher entity is the ultimate boss here - Like in Afghanistan where this horrible new law was enacted because of pressure from religious fundamentalists:

Afghanistan approves law allowing husbands to starve wives for refusing sex

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

of course again the higher entity doesn’t really exist - Why would the corrupt man made system give you anything real? It can't. The system is incapable of giving you anything real, only fiat money, fiat laws, fiat traditions, fiat religions.

the villain is the society itself - Check out the theory of the "tapeworm economy", it's happening now:

[link to www.karavans.com]

(the villain) is not personified other than a picture of a higher being - Is there a more villainous character than Jehovah?

as THX’s drugs wear off he becomes less capable of handling his fear and emotion and stress and anxiety - Anyone who's addicted to anything knows what withdrawals feel like. Try facing the world without your favorite drugs (whatever they may be, even the internet) and see how hard it is. Reality is infinitely harder to face when you're sober than when you're drugged.

he collapses and then we have a transition into life with emotion - Death, rebirth, and redemption! We must die to who the system tried to make us (a sellout) and return to who we really are to escape the prison.
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it is what they want us to become
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Pretty near - but remember the ending..
XXP .

Get to the point, then shut up..
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2 movies that outline it best :

THEY LIVE

and

SPLIT

Split was a 80s film and its very rare , but has a cult following. The film is utterly nightmarish in how it predicted the police state and the constant monitoring of peoples actions.

The film takes several viewings to catch its meanings and it is a very odd film, but if you can find it on ebay...id recomeend you buy it and watch it numerous times.
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Also strange that all the people on TV, at least the intelectuals and sex objects (basically anyone who wasn't getting beat-up) were blacks.

K
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controlled through the belief system that there is a higher being - "There has never been a religious movement on Earth that wasn't a little political. And, there has never been a political movement that didn't have a little religious." - Jordan Maxwell
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I copied that quote without reading it, it should be:

"There has never been a religious movement on Earth that wasn't a little political. And, there has never been a political movement that didn't have a little to do with religion." - Jordan Maxwell

Everyone is taught to think in the same way in the Illuminati pyramid structure or the pyramid or hierarchy within the Illuminati pyramid. It all works and holds together because the all seeing eye over the pyramid represents all gods of the system a.k.a. Lucifers (the light bringers). As long as you believe in one of these gods you will be trapped in the pyramid.
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SPLIT
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Here's the plot of Split, it sounds interesting:

Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him... Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him stopped. For he alone sees the truth which will destroy their world.
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THX 1138 is a movie about total degradation of society in the name of perfect harmony. There were undoubtedly some good points to the society like no violent crime and no unemployment (apparently).

At what price did that come? No emotion, no creativity, no color, no life, only a colorless death for everyone.

Forced drugging is here because of fluoride in the water.

The robots were a metaphor for a society being run on auto-pilot by algorithms. If you think about it, aren't laws and religions algorithms that run society?
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"We see again the allegories and the metaphors of Eden, which these characters gave us, by the way, have tremendous truths in them. You can either be in paradise and accept it as it is or, if you leave paradise, you're on a one-way road of alteration to eventually obliteration of all that was." - Alan Watt
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You can take the deepest, most allegoric story and as soon it becomes a movie most people slap the "It's just a movie" tag on it. There is no such thing as "just a movie".

Movies are magic. We know how the technology behind movies works but if you took a bushmen from Australia into a movie theater he would say the whole thing is magic, it's a sorcerers trick. Holly wood was used to make magic wands in ancient times, you know that.

Every movie is made with an agenda because it's an art form and artists always have a message to push, that's what makes them artists.

The agenda the artists push through their stories is programming. Let's not beat around the bush, it's mind control. They want you to see the world their way and they usually use every trick in the book to do it.

One of the common tricks is making the audience ROOT FOR EVIL CHARACTERS. How? It's easy, they use the same method again and again. A "villain" commits a crime like stealing something. Then the "hero" goes after the villain, he kills people, he destroys property, he lies, he cheats AND steals but in the end catches the "villain" so the "good guy" won. What? The "hero" was more evil then the "villain", how did the "good guy" win? That's magic, turning good into evil and visa versa AND MOST PEOPLE NOT SEEING IT, that's not "just a movie", that's magic.

A perfect example of this is the movie "Monsters Inc.". The "heroes" of the story are TERRORISTS. They are monsters who terrorize children in order to create the energy the monsters need to live on. But, because the monsters are cute and they're presented in a likable way they're the "good guys". Pay no attention to the fact that they're actually VILLAINS to the children that they're TERRORIZING. I wouldn't expect children to see this but their parents can't see that they're children are rooting on evil terrorists because "It's just a movie".

Here's a picture that tells the real story of "Monster's Inc.":

[link to www.digitalmediafx.com]

The cute little lovable Eye of Horus inside of a demonic SHADOW. That's what you're dealing with and people expose their children to that.

If the purpose is predictive programming, mind-control, opening you up to possession or subversion, it's not entertainment or a "movie" anymore, it's propaganda.
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alien03 MY TIME IS YOURS. MASSES FOR THE MASSES.
GO AHEAD.

ONE FOR ALL. ALL IS ONE.
MASSES ARE WHAT WE ARE.
WE ARE THE MASSES.
BUT ALL IN ALL, WE ARE MASSES.
FOR THE PARTY AND FOR ALL.
MASSES ARE WHAT WE ARE.

VERY GOOD PROCEED.

WELL.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

YES...FINE.
EXCELLENT.

YES?

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, COULD YOU BE MORE...

SPECIFIC?


YOU ARE A TRUE BELIEVER.

BLESSINGS OF THE STATE.

BLESSINGS OF THE MASSES.

THOU A RT A SUBJECT OF THE DIVINE, CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF MAN... BY THE MASSES, FOR THE MASSES.

LET US BE THANKFUL WE HAVE OCCUPATION TO FILL.

WORK HARD.

PREVENT ACCIDENTS.

AND BE HAPPY.

INCREASE PRODUCTION.

BUY AND BE HAPPY.

BUY MORE.

BUY MORE NOW.

LET US BE THANKFUL WE HAVE COMMERCE.

BUY AND BE HAPPY.









THX-1138 + LUH-3417 = SEX-LUVE-BUY.

BUY
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SPLIT


Here's the plot of Split, it sounds interesting:

Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him... Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him stopped. For he alone sees the truth which will destroy their world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882773



its a very rare film...hunt it down if you can..

it will take several viewings, but if you figure it out, it is a masterpiece...

some of the paintings in the film are worth the price of the video .
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SPLIT


Here's the plot of Split, it sounds interesting:

Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him... Semi-robotic humanoids manipulate every action of people on Earth. One man has the power to break the barrier between the worlds. He is the embodiment of chaos and the authoritarians want him stopped. For he alone sees the truth which will destroy their world.



its a very rare film...hunt it down if you can..

it will take several viewings, but if you figure it out, it is a masterpiece...

some of the paintings in the film are worth the price of the video .
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alien03 Hmm, Never Seen It or Heard of it.
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SPLIT - track it down and get it...

but be prepared to give it several viewings..

it is a bit too odd to take it all in at one time.
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after wathcing split many times...I think it has one of many particualr messages...

one of those messages being :

WHEN YOU FIGHT THE MACHINE, YOU BECOME THE MACHINE.
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after wathcing split many times...I think it has one of many particualr messages...

one of those messages being :

WHEN YOU FIGHT THE MACHINE, YOU BECOME THE MACHINE.
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I guess our only choice is to leave the machine behind and never look back, do you agree?
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alien03 MY TIME IS YOURS. MASSES FOR THE MASSES.
GO AHEAD.

ONE FOR ALL. ALL IS ONE.
MASSES ARE WHAT WE ARE.
WE ARE THE MASSES.
BUT ALL IN ALL, WE ARE MASSES.
FOR THE PARTY AND FOR ALL.
MASSES ARE WHAT WE ARE.

VERY GOOD PROCEED.

WELL.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

YES...FINE.
EXCELLENT.

YES?

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, COULD YOU BE MORE...

SPECIFIC?


YOU ARE A TRUE BELIEVER.

BLESSINGS OF THE STATE.

BLESSINGS OF THE MASSES.

THOU A RT A SUBJECT OF THE DIVINE, CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF MAN... BY THE MASSES, FOR THE MASSES.

LET US BE THANKFUL WE HAVE OCCUPATION TO FILL.

WORK HARD.

PREVENT ACCIDENTS.

AND BE HAPPY.

INCREASE PRODUCTION.

BUY AND BE HAPPY.

BUY MORE.

BUY MORE NOW.

LET US BE THANKFUL WE HAVE COMMERCE.

BUY AND BE HAPPY.









THX-1138 + LUH-3417 = SEX-LUVE-BUY.

BUY
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The dialogue's amazing. You can read that nonsense and hear the voices of modern society.
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There has never been a religious movement on Earth that wasn't a little political.

If the religious movement is political, doesn't that mean it's corrupt? Any time something becomes political it gets corrupt and therefore it's no longer divine, right?
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SPLIT - track it down and get it...

but be prepared to give it several viewings..

it is a bit too odd to take it all in at one time.
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I'm gonna try and locate that movie, thanks. hf
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bump for a great movie, just watched it, amazing stuff. lucas in his early years was the best. still wish he'd give us the option to get this in its original.
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I have made this argument recently. All we are missing is the computer-assistant medicine cabinet...
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Way to explicate. 5*





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