Yeshua Hamashiach: God The Son!

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To whom did Jesus make the payment?

To whom did Jesus make the payment for our sins? To understand this we must consider that God is Holy, absolute Holy. Therefore, he cannot tolerate any sin, and every sin must get its punishment. God´s righteousness demands this. God cannot forgive sins without someone other, who is without sin, take the punishment for the sins.

No other than Jesus could stand between God and us, and pay what God´s righteousness demanded, and he was also willing to offer himself for us. God demanded a propitiatory sacrifice, but he gave it self, his own Son. Gal. 3:7-14. Rom. 8:32.

The Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. John 5:22. The Son is also Holy and cannot tolerate sin. He judges the sin to the maximum penalty. So he steps down and takes the punishment on himself. The righteous judge dies for sinners.

When God forgives us our sins due to Jesus´ propitiatory sacrifice on the cross, then he gives to us the righteousness of Jesus. Jesus´ righteousness is the only righteousness that God can accept. All our own righteousness is as filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6. When we accept Jesus as our Saviour, then we are dressed in his righteousness before God, the Father. Rev. 19:8.

God, the Father has accepted the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus as a ground for our salvation. When we accept Jesus as our Saviour we become free from all sin. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9.

In juridical meaning we are righteous before God through Jesus´ righteousness. If we would die today, God accept us as his children and welcome us to his paradise.

Nevertheless, since we are living here on the earth, we cannot say we are without sin. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. John 1:10.

We live here in faith and confess that we are saved, but we are not yet completely saved.

The salvation is like a compressed file.
When you load down a program from the Internet, you get the program as a compressed file. In this file you have the whole program, but you cannot use it before you open the compressed file. When you click on "program.exe" the program becomes installed in your computer.

We get the salvation like as a "compressed file". In this "file" we have the whole salvation. When Jesus comes, then he clicks on "salvation.exe", then and the salvation is complete and we are changed. 1 Cor.15:50-53. 1 Thess. 4:13-18. Phil. 3:20-21. 1 John 3:2.

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I continue to find encouragement in many diverse places. I recommend the above website very strongly to all.

Yah-Shu-Ra - The Sun God who Rises.

Lester,

It looks like you do agree with the Catholic church:

Catechism:

234 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the "hierarchy of the truths of faith".56 The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men "and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin".57

266 "Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son´s is another, the Holy Spirit´s another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian Creed: DS 75; ND 16).

there is much more here

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Hope this helps. May God bless you and your courage to proclaim Christ!

Thank you Lester for such an inspiring post, and for the referenced article.

It looks like you do agree with the Catholic church:
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Yes Lester can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?

where in scripture does it say "scripture or bible alone"? It does not but many believe it.

1 Tim 3:15 states the church is the Pillar of truth not scripture. The church states "the bible and the church".

Matt.4
[3] And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
[6] And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Matt.8
[29] And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Matt.14
[33] Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matt.26
[63] But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Matt.27
[40] And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
[43] He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
[54] Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


Mark.1
[1] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mark.3
[11] And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mark.15
[39] And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

Luke.1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luke.3
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Luke.4
[3] And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
[9] And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
[41] And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luke.8
[28] When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

Luke.22
[70] Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John.1
[34] And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
[49] Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John.3
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John.5
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John.9
[35] Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

John.10
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John.11
[4] When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
[27] She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

John.19
[7] The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

John.20
[31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts.8
[37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts.9
[20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Rom.1
[4] And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

2Cor.1
[19] For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

Gal.2
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph.4
[13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Heb.4
[14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Heb.6
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb.7
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Heb.10
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1John.3
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1John.4
[15] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1John.5
[5] Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[12] He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


Rev.2
[18] And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;


Dan.3
[25] He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

4Ezra.2
[47] So he answered and said unto me, It is the Son of God, whom they have confessed in the world. Then began I greatly to commend them that stood so stiffly for the name of the Lord.

The catholic church can "claim" HIM and deceitfully say it recognizes HIM

but

The Truth is in The KNOWING and The Service to The Father.

This is PLAINLY what the rcc denies to The Father.

Yes Lester can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?

Jesus states it himself with his answer to the high priest....not with yes but with "I AM"... the name of God!

I will try to find the specific verse if you need it.

Lester,

What is "The Service to The Father?" I pegged you for the "faith alone" crowd.

Can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?

Yeah. Jesus told his own followers not to call him that. But why should you listen to him? Screw him, right?

Can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?


Or can you not?

If you cannot you rightly stand charged as Heretic and Blasphemer.

BTW Lester,

If the Apostles chose to write and use (orally) the name Jesus (Latin) of the Greek Iesous why do you insist on using the Hebrew Yeshua?

Does your teaching superceed the Apostles authority as they cleary must think Iesous (Jesus) is the term to use as practically the entire new testament was compiled in Greek?

There is only one God and Allah is his name.
Infidel.

Can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?


Or can you not?

If you cannot you rightly stand charged as Heretic and Blasphemer.

Oh, and his last name wasn´t "Hamashiach," it was Josephson.

Jesus Josephson.

Are you sure it´s Josephson? It says ´Wallace´ on the mailbox.

"Wallace" is the guy renting out the pool house.

Damn! He´s a scam artist, then -- said I owed him ten percent of my income and forbade me to cast graven images.

But did he forbid you to engrave cast images? There´s your loophole!

In the above sentence where I rebuke the catholic claim; I say "The proof is in the Knowing and the Service to God."

When we are Born-Again we come to Know HIM, right then; IN HIS Presence kind of Knowing.

When we are Born-Again, because we Know HIM, we are able to DO HIS Will, because HE has made HIS Will Known to us, and gives us the ability to carry it out.

rome denies that God wants to have a Born-Again Relationship with us. Therefore, it is incapable of being in accord with HIS Will.

The proof of God abiding within us is HIS Holy Spirit, and our Knowledge that nothing else matters in our lives but Knowing and Doing HIS WILL.

the rcc manifestly denies HIM, because it has lied about him since Constantine saw merit in political control through spiritual deception.

the rcc MURDERS began in earnest about 150 years after the rcc became empowered by the Roman ruler. Rome may have fallen, but the rcc would not fall; and like the Roman Empire, it could not afford to look weak to the world.

Being born of scheming men, there was no Faith In Father God for sustenance; thus began the MURDERS.

No Way those can ever be "explained away or apologized for". the rcc steadfastly continues in its sin and refuses to repent.

Yeshua Hamashiach shushi and ham sammich?

Lester, we´re trying to have a serious religious conversation here -- could you butt out for a moment?

Can you show us where in scripture it says "Jesus is God the Son"?


Or can you not?

If you cannot you rightly stand charged as Heretic and Blasphemer.

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"Orthodox Christian ecclesiastics tell us that Jesus of Nazareth and the Christ were one; that the true name of this remarkable person was Jesus Christ. They tell us that this man of Galilee was the very eternal God clothed in flesh of man that men might see his glory. Of course this doctrine is wholly at variance with the teachings of Jesus himself and of his apostles. The Aquarian Masters in council have formulated an answer to this question that so well covers all the information required that we give it in full:

"Jesus was an ideal Jew, born in Bethlehem of Judea. His mother a beautiful Jewish girl named Mary. As a child Jesus differed but little from other children only that in past lives he had overcome carnal propensites to such an extent that he could be tempted like others and not yield. Paul was right when to the Hebrews he said: `He was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.´-- Hebrews 4: 15. "Jesus suffered as other men suffer, and was made perfect through suffering; for this is the only way to perfection. His life was an example of attainment by the way of crosses and cruel treatment. Paul was right again when he said: `It became him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons into glory to make the captain of their salvation perfect through suffering.´- -Hebrews 2: 10. "In many respects Jesus was a remarkable child, for by ages of strenuous preparation he was qualified to be an avatar, a saviour of the world, and from childhood he was endowed with superior wisdom and was conscious of the fact that he was competent to lead the race into the higher ways of spiritual living. But he was conscious also of the fact that he must attain the mastery by trials, buffetings, temptations and sufferings. And all his life was spent in attaining. After his death, burial and resurrection he appeared in materialised form before the Silent Brothers in the temple of Heliopolis, in Egypt, and said: "`My human life was wholly given to bring my will to tune with the deific will; when this was done my earth-tasks all were done. "`You know that all my life was one great drama for the sons of men; a pattern for the sons of men. I lived to show the possibilities of man. "`What I ahve done all men can do, and what I am all men shall be.´"--Aquarian Gospel 178: 43, 46. "Jesus was the name of the man and it was the only appropriate name for this kind of a man. The word means Saviour, and Jesus was in more senses than one a saviour. The word Christ means "the anointed one," and then it is an official title. It means, The Master of Love. When we say "Jesus the Christ" we refer to the man and to his office; just as we do when we say Edward, the King, or Lincoln, the president. Edward was not always King, and Lincoln was not always President, and Jesus was not always Christ. Jesus won his Christship by a strenuous life, and in the Aquarian Gospel, chapter 55, we have a record of the events of his christing, or receiving the degree Christ. Here is where he was coronated by the highest earth authorities as the Christ-King; properly speaking, `The Master of Love´; and after this was done he entered at once upon his Judean and Galilean ministry. "We recognise the facts that Jesus was man and that Christ was God, so that in very truth Jesus the Christ was the God-man of the ages." The Nazarene´s Testimony. Jesus himself made the matter clear. Once when he was speaking to a congregation in Bethany the people called him King and he stood forth and said: "`I am not sent to sit upon a throne to rule as Caesar rules; and you may tell the ruler of the Jews that I am not a claimant for his throne. "`Men call me Christ, and God has recognised the name; but Christ is not a man. The Christ is universal Love, and Love is King. "`This Jesus is but man who has been fitted by temptations overcome, by trials multiform, to be the temple through which the Christ can manifest to men. "`Then hear, you men of Israel, hear! Look not upon the flesh; it is not king. Look to the Christ within who shall be formed in every one of you, as he is formed in me. "`When you have purified your hearts by faith, the king will enter in and you will see his face.´"--Aquarian Gospel 68: 10-14.

Surely this question has been answered. Jesus was man; Christ was Divine Love--the Love of God, and after thirty years of strenuous life the man had made his body fit to be the temple of the holy breath and Love took full possession, and John well said when he declared: "`And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.´"

Rome denies born again?

Thats technically semantics. Catholics are "born again" every time I come out of confession and purified even more each time I take the Eucharist.

Jesus tells Nicodemous (spell?) that you cannot be "born again" but you must be born of water and spirit e.g. baptism. The original language has two meanings and Jesus corrects him by saying "no, you cannot be "born again" by going back into your mother´s womb.

But as a former protestant, I do see some good fruit on the play on words with the double meaning. We are "born again" when we change our lives and give it totally to Christ.

But please look up the original language that the dialogue was written in and see that the "born again" is not only wrong but Jesus corrects him.

The true reference of that verse is born of water and spirit...not "again".

How nice to see you again after 4 weeks 3217; at least I guess that is you.

We seem to have been 2 ships going opposite directions.

I came out of 30 years and 18 years of catholic schools, 150+ hours in catholic university including priest taught theology and philosophy.

I became Born-Again when I surrendered my life to HIM in devout brokenness and total surrender.

As a catholic, I know from how much I loved Christ as a kid and teen that had the religion been true; my coming to a relationship with God would have resulted then.

You never surrendered your life to God; still haven´t. what you´ve embraced is a system of lies demanding, like belief in Oz, total belief in what it says. Not what God Witnesses to us in HIS Holy Scriptures.

If you were Born-Again, you would not sin.
If rc priests were really Of-God, they would not sin.
Alcoholism and Homosexual Pedophilia are both sins, one is about the most heinous crime there is. No man who has a Relationship with God sins.

No Born-Again who sins continues to be Born-Again.

The rcc is a lie. They do not care about the manifestations of sin in their priesthood. They think men can forgive sins. How convenient for them!

Had you had sufficient Faith, I have no doubt that you could have become Born-Again without embracing the whore of Babylon church.

Just saying Jesus is God the Son, as catholics do, means NOTHING! It means nothing because the rcc denies HIS entire Ministry and Witness.

If the rcc embraced God and Christ Jesus; it would have to admit all its sins and repent. Never going to happen.

You look for externals and embrace Deniers of God 3217.