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The Great Purification, the moving of stars, message from 2007, Native Spiritual Elders

 
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I found this today, and thought it was something that should be shared again.
It came to me, thru a friend, from Bennie La Beau(sp?)..I forget his Native name at the moment...it has Thunder in it somehow...(LOL. Sorry Bennie, no disrespect, just a bad memory)
Anyway, he is a very wise Spiritual man, speaks with many Elders, in many areas, of the World regarding these issues.

Message of Purification from the Yukon Territory January 23, 2007


"Hothooka Caunotka "Sign Of Purification"

Saugh-he, a sign of purification has been sent to the people, that the Morning Star will start to be seen right before the night and light dances together. This is clear to the people of understanding and balance. This message of purification from Creator is speaking that end times are near, as people know it.

In the days that follow, people will look at the sky nation and witness and feel the return of two brothers that helped create Earth Mother in the birthing time.

One brother who has the care of the top of Earth Mother and his Brother who has the care for the bottom of Earth Mother. In these days the Morning Star will come and be with the two brothers and they will start to return Earth Mother to her natural rotation.

This has been shown for ages in many Petroglyphs within the Mayan and Egyptian pyramids and the carving and inscription on many rocks and bones.

Earth Mother has been manipulated and characterized throughout the ages by people that are not so suggestive of doing good for Earth Mother and Creators creations.

The two brothers will work and walk with the Hothooka. The Hothooka Caunotka as my ancestors spoke of them, will dance with the wind and find the ones that remember the original teachings of the old ways. The Hothooka Caunotka, walks strong with Earth Mothers purification dance.

The return of the Morning Star and Hothooka Caunotka, is a message to all that a new day and new way of life on Earth Mother is here and the purification has started.

Some changes will begin when the feeling of fire burn within the people. Their fires will burn with desires and conflicts if they don't remember the original old ways of teachings.

With this time of purification on Earth Mother, all life as humans have known will be changed. There will be messages and messengers that will precede the Morning Star dance. These feelings and messages are for those on Earth Mother who understand the old ways and the teachings of Creator and Earth Mother.

The feelings and messages will be found in the rocks within their sacred grains and the waters. Creator will issue a great light with the Hothooka Caunotka dance. Things will change in their manner of being. Every living thing will be offered the opportunity to change from the largest to the smallest of creation

Those that have returned to the old ways that understand the original teachings, they live and walk in a natural way; will not be harmed by the coming of the Morning Star and Hothooka Caunotka dance. They will survive and work together to purify and help each other re-build Earth Mother. In the ancient teachings of the old ways will they have the ability to understand these messages to be given from Creator and Earth Mother.

It is important to understand that these messages will be found in and on every living thing, all will carry these messages.

All life forms receives these feelings and messages from the Creator and Hothooka Caunotka; those that walk, fly, swim, crawl or stand.

The appearance of the Hothooka Caunotka will be the opportunity for all to change their ways; everything that will be experience will be a matter of their choice.

Many will appear to have lost their souls in these times. So intense will the nature of the changes be that those who are weak in spiritual understanding will not maintain their balance of thinking, for their walk was nothing without faith.

People will disappear, for they were only hollow vessels for the darkness to use. Things will be so dark and out of balance in the cities, that many will choose to leave.

Only those who return to the values of the teachings of the old ways will be able to find peace of mind and balance during this purification.

It will be a hard time for people with children; they will be avoided deliberately and in some manner treated with force. Many of the children in these times will act and be un-natural. Some will be from the star nation. Some from past worlds some will be created by people, in an un-natural manner and will have no soul.

Many of people in this time will be empty in faith, they will have no life force in their eyes or balance or their actions.
There will be many different animals on Earth Mother in these days of the Hothooka Caunotka dance, some that have never been seen before. The nature of humans will appear strange in these times. The people will walk between worlds and they will house many spirits even within their bodies. After a time people will walk with the Hothooka Caunotka from the top and bottom of Earth Mother and start to rebuild, but not until the Hothooka Caunotka has left their mark on Earth Mother.

Nothing living will go untouched. The way through this time can be found in your heart and reuniting with your soul. Getting simple and returning to living with and on Earth Mother in harmony with all creations. Remember people are the caretakers of Earth Mother and the fire keepers of our on faith and soul.

Our Ancestors that walk with Hothooka Caunotka are coming home to see how their Ancestors have faired on their journey, walk with peace.
Creator as Chief, Grayeagle
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Thanks for the message Woodsprite. hf
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Thanks for the message Woodsprite. hf
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You're welcome.... sun

I went looking for it this morning, because of something someone else said on here...
Another thread, about this same subject...it's a video, I think...people are now talking to the Elders up North about what's going on, and they are basically saying this same thing.
I couldn't listen to the video, my speakers are dead...but there was also some written info about it on the thread.
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It sounds very much like the Blue Kachina message of the Hopis, just a different name of the star.

Interesting he re-iterated it in Feb of 07 and then Holmes occurred in Nov 07..

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Some changes will begin when the feeling of fire burn within the people.....

Those that have returned to the old ways that understand the original teachings, they live and walk in a natural way;......

It is important to understand that these messages will be found in and on every living thing, all will carry these messages....

So intense will the nature of the changes be that those who are weak in spiritual understanding will not maintain their balance of thinking, for their walk was nothing without faith....

Only those who return to the values of the teachings of the old ways will be able to find peace of mind and balance during this purification.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Very relevant! Thanks for posting! I think it's critical to tune in to self and develop the ability to connect with your true self/intuition in order to receive the messages we're intended to hear!

hf
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It sounds very much like the Blue Kachina message of the Hopis, just a different name of the star.

Interesting he re-iterated it in Feb of 07 and then Holmes occurred in Nov 07..
 Quoting: Full Circle



I think it sounds very similar too...

It's been quite some time ago when all this was going on, it's difficult for me to remember if Comet Holmes was discussed in relation to the Blue Star Kachina Prophesy, and what the current Elders were saying...or not.
Knowing the group, I'd say it was, because just like everyone else that has been watching Prophesy unfold since this New Millinnium began, we looked at everything happening in the sky.
I can still get in contact with the group moderator/owner, I'll have to ask her if she remembers talking about Comet Holmes and this statememt from the Elders...
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Personally, I think Holmes WAS the Blue Kachina. It's just a matter of time now.

Like the message says, people are either returned to the ancient understanding or not.
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I think it's critical to tune in to self and develop the ability to connect with your true self/intuition in order to receive the messages we're intended to hear!

hf
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You're welcome..
EXACTLY!!!!!!
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.
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hf peace....

Love and Hugs to you!...
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.
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Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?
 Quoting: Full Circle


I want to be a Leaver but it would be a lie to say that I am while I sit on a computer wouldn't it?
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?
 Quoting: Full Circle


And Hi Full Circle. :-D
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Isn't it too late? How will living as a leaver in low lying areas save me from the floods that will come?
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.
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I don't either, yet I await the appearace of the Blue Star!
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


I don't either, yet I await the appearace of the Blue Star!
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I hope we both figure it out in time. hf
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Personally, I think Holmes WAS the Blue Kachina. It's just a matter of time now.

Like the message says, people are either returned to the ancient understanding or not.
 Quoting: Full Circle


I think it was too, unfortunatly..
Something that happened to me , personally that same year led me to that conclusion.
I was in prayer the week before the Summer Solstice, asking what the Ceremony was supposed to be focused on...when I was sent an animal messenger to the question.
I was inside a locked building, had 3 stories, I was alone in the basement working ( I was working as an artist/set designer for a haunted house), asking about the upcoming Ceremony, speaking with Creator, when a big brown bat came flying out of the back.
It flew inbetween my scene walls and the outside wall of the building, made 3 giant loops around my head, then took off flying, back into the bright lights, behind my scene walls, somewhere ...
Never could find that bat again!!!
It flew so close to me, I could have touched it...I did put my hand out to see if it would alter it's course, or land on it the second time it looped around me, but it didn't alter it's path, just made the 3 loops then left.
According to Spiritual/Totem type beliefs, in most Native cultures, Bat is a symbol of the life cycle... Birth, Death ,Rebirth.
So, I had a very personal message from Creator about what was going on....we are in the middle part...Death..
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?


I want to be a Leaver but it would be a lie to say that I am while I sit on a computer wouldn't it?
 Quoting: Riker



The Leavers, in contrast, are the peoples who have elected to leave the Law of Life in the hands of the gods, and who themselves live in the hands of the gods. The Leavers know that the gods alone know how to keep an equitable balance in the world among those who should live, and those who should die; for everything that lives, lives because something else dies to sustain its life. Thus on one day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall live, and the fox shall go hungry. Another day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall die, and the fox shall dine well that day. The Leavers are the many, many peoples who for the past three million years have lived as all other beings on Earth have lived, in the hands of the gods.

The Takers are the single culture which for the past ten thousand years have chosen instead to take the administration of their own lives, the administration of the Earth, and the administration of the entire Universe, if possible, out of the hands of the gods, and decide for themselves what is good and what is evil, what shall live, and what shall die.

The Takers invented civilization, which is today in the final stage of collapse because the Takers have long since forgotten the Law of Life, and no longer know how to live. The Taker way of life is a made-up way of life, an entirely fabricated Taker invention, in substitution for the Law of Life which they have discarded, and taken upon themselves to "rewrite." Taker "law" (so called) is a jerry-rigged hodge-podge, frantically cobbled together, year after year, millennium after millennium, in a vain and futile attempt to replace the only real Law there ever was: the Law of Life. If the Takers persist in taking the Law of Life into their own hands, they shall assuredly "go down with the ship," and if anyone survives the collapse of civilization, it will be the Leavers, and beings who, like the Leavers, live in the hands of the gods, and in harmony with the Law of Life.


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Born into this World
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And Shift along the Axis
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Two brothers, anti-christ and the beast. Maitreya claims he will come with the Jesus. Islam claims Mahdi will come with Jesus...UN lucis trust agenda...
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Personally, I think Holmes WAS the Blue Kachina. It's just a matter of time now.

Like the message says, people are either returned to the ancient understanding or not.


I think it was too, unfortunatly..
Something that happened to me , personally that same year led me to that conclusion.

 Quoting: Woodsprite


Sorry to snip your post! That's interesting because so did I!

I had a dream of 'blue kachina' statues being placed outside of businesses as they were being closed up. I woke up with the understanding that it would not be business as usual and that things were shutting down.

At the time, I had no idea what a blue kachina was so I had to look it up on line...and this was exactly when Holmes was prominent in the news and the blue kachina prophecy was being debated about.

So it was a very timely message for me.
Born into this World
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(bookmarked to read later today)

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Cayce: The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. . then we may know it has begun . www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.
 Quoting: Riker


I have interpreted to mean living a more simple life.
Personally, I live a life where I try to take, only what I need, when I need it.
I try to not hurt Mother, or any living thing..try to be humane about eating meat. Kill it quickly, so it dosen't suffer, say thank you to the animal for giving me it's life so I can live, try not to waste it.
I consider plants as sentient as animals, so I always do the same thing when I pick my vegetables too.
I don't throw trash around, and reuse and recycle as much as I can.
I don't drive unless there is a real need to get from 1 place to another, and even then, I'll line up several stops to hit when I'm out, so I won't have to make repeat trips to the same area...
If you sit and think about it, there are tons of ways for the average person to help not contribute to Mother's destruction..just takes a desire, and a bit of thought, sometimes a bit more effort...but in the end, I think it is worth it.

About the Spiritual/Soul componet...
I listen to my "inner voice", instead of any one else, as it has always been the wisest.
I've found that instead of going and listening to someone else that says they are talking to Creator....I get the best answers if I just speak to Creator myself, and listen for the answers to come.
Sometimes, it is like a small voice in my ear, sometimes, I'm led to see or read something somewhere, and it contains the answer...I know it when it happens..
Just have to truly believe in Creator, and want to have the conversation/ relationship...and then start talking, and listening/watching for the answers to come.
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?


I want to be a Leaver but it would be a lie to say that I am while I sit on a computer wouldn't it?



The Leavers, in contrast, are the peoples who have elected to leave the Law of Life in the hands of the gods, and who themselves live in the hands of the gods. The Leavers know that the gods alone know how to keep an equitable balance in the world among those who should live, and those who should die; for everything that lives, lives because something else dies to sustain its life. Thus on one day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall live, and the fox shall go hungry. Another day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall die, and the fox shall dine well that day. The Leavers are the many, many peoples who for the past three million years have lived as all other beings on Earth have lived, in the hands of the gods.

The Takers are the single culture which for the past ten thousand years have chosen instead to take the administration of their own lives, the administration of the Earth, and the administration of the entire Universe, if possible, out of the hands of the gods, and decide for themselves what is good and what is evil, what shall live, and what shall die.

The Takers invented civilization, which is today in the final stage of collapse because the Takers have long since forgotten the Law of Life, and no longer know how to live. The Taker way of life is a made-up way of life, an entirely fabricated Taker invention, in substitution for the Law of Life which they have discarded, and taken upon themselves to "rewrite." Taker "law" (so called) is a jerry-rigged hodge-podge, frantically cobbled together, year after year, millennium after millennium, in a vain and futile attempt to replace the only real Law there ever was: the Law of Life. If the Takers persist in taking the Law of Life into their own hands, they shall assuredly "go down with the ship," and if anyone survives the collapse of civilization, it will be the Leavers, and beings who, like the Leavers, live in the hands of the gods, and in harmony with the Law of Life.


*******

I think it's the ideology and knowing where your heart lies. You can be in this world, but not of it....
 Quoting: Full Circle



I LOVE this post about leavers and takers!!!
It could not strike me as being any better explained than how this does it.
I agree with what you said too!
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Personally, I think Holmes WAS the Blue Kachina. It's just a matter of time now.

Like the message says, people are either returned to the ancient understanding or not.


I think it was too, unfortunatly..
Something that happened to me , personally that same year led me to that conclusion.



Sorry to snip your post! That's interesting because so did I!

I had a dream of 'blue kachina' statues being placed outside of businesses as they were being closed up. I woke up with the understanding that it would not be business as usual and that things were shutting down.

At the time, I had no idea what a blue kachina was so I had to look it up on line...and this was exactly when Holmes was prominent in the news and the blue kachina prophecy was being debated about.

So it was a very timely message for me.
 Quoting: Full Circle


Whispers to the Spirt, sounds like... ;)
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


I have interpreted to mean living a more simple life.
Personally, I live a life where I try to take, only what I need, when I need it.
I try to not hurt Mother, or any living thing..try to be humane about eating meat. Kill it quickly, so it dosen't suffer, say thank you to the animal for giving me it's life so I can live, try not to waste it.
I consider plants as sentient as animals, so I always do the same thing when I pick my vegetables too.
I don't throw trash around, and reuse and recycle as much as I can.
I don't drive unless there is a real need to get from 1 place to another, and even then, I'll line up several stops to hit when I'm out, so I won't have to make repeat trips to the same area...
If you sit and think about it, there are tons of ways for the average person to help not contribute to Mother's destruction..just takes a desire, and a bit of thought, sometimes a bit more effort...but in the end, I think it is worth it.

About the Spiritual/Soul componet...
I listen to my "inner voice", instead of any one else, as it has always been the wisest.
I've found that instead of going and listening to someone else that says they are talking to Creator....I get the best answers if I just speak to Creator myself, and listen for the answers to come.
Sometimes, it is like a small voice in my ear, sometimes, I'm led to see or read something somewhere, and it contains the answer...I know it when it happens..
Just have to truly believe in Creator, and want to have the conversation/ relationship...and then start talking, and listening/watching for the answers to come.
 Quoting: Woodsprite



Well said Woodsprite. And all very true. And yes, like the Leavers and Takers. It's about respect for the Law of Life.

Good thread!
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Two brothers, anti-christ and the beast. Maitreya claims he will come with the Jesus. Islam claims Mahdi will come with Jesus...UN lucis trust agenda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 891465


This isn't based on Christianity, it is about Native American Spirituality, and Prophesy...but if you would like to relate it to Christianity , why could it not be " The 2 Witnesses"?
Could be, just as easily.

This has NOTHING to do with The Illuminatti
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


I have interpreted to mean living a more simple life.
Personally, I live a life where I try to take, only what I need, when I need it.
I try to not hurt Mother, or any living thing..try to be humane about eating meat. Kill it quickly, so it dosen't suffer, say thank you to the animal for giving me it's life so I can live, try not to waste it.
I consider plants as sentient as animals, so I always do the same thing when I pick my vegetables too.
I don't throw trash around, and reuse and recycle as much as I can.
I don't drive unless there is a real need to get from 1 place to another, and even then, I'll line up several stops to hit when I'm out, so I won't have to make repeat trips to the same area...
If you sit and think about it, there are tons of ways for the average person to help not contribute to Mother's destruction..just takes a desire, and a bit of thought, sometimes a bit more effort...but in the end, I think it is worth it.

About the Spiritual/Soul componet...
I listen to my "inner voice", instead of any one else, as it has always been the wisest.
I've found that instead of going and listening to someone else that says they are talking to Creator....I get the best answers if I just speak to Creator myself, and listen for the answers to come.
Sometimes, it is like a small voice in my ear, sometimes, I'm led to see or read something somewhere, and it contains the answer...I know it when it happens..
Just have to truly believe in Creator, and want to have the conversation/ relationship...and then start talking, and listening/watching for the answers to come.
 Quoting: Woodsprite


Thank you Woodsprite. I do these things now as well. We try hard to be leavers. I would love to live on the land 100% but I don't know how that would be possible in this age. We are trying to "buy" land now so that we can be more connected and take full responsibility for our food but it is hard to make happen.
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Two brothers, anti-christ and the beast. Maitreya claims he will come with the Jesus. Islam claims Mahdi will come with Jesus...UN lucis trust agenda...


This isn't based on Christianity, it is about Native American Spirituality, and Prophesy...but if you would like to relate it to Christianity , why could it not be " The 2 Witnesses"?
Could be, just as easily.

This has NOTHING to do with The Illuminatti
 Quoting: Woodsprite


I always felt like the brothers were comets or something.
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Posts like these strike very deep for me but I still don't understand what I am supposed to do.


Hi Riker. You and I talked a long time ago about Daniel Quinn's books and message. You understand the difference between the Leavers and the Takers. This is very similar to that. Which are you?


I want to be a Leaver but it would be a lie to say that I am while I sit on a computer wouldn't it?



The Leavers, in contrast, are the peoples who have elected to leave the Law of Life in the hands of the gods, and who themselves live in the hands of the gods. The Leavers know that the gods alone know how to keep an equitable balance in the world among those who should live, and those who should die; for everything that lives, lives because something else dies to sustain its life. Thus on one day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall live, and the fox shall go hungry. Another day, the gods decide that the rabbit shall die, and the fox shall dine well that day. The Leavers are the many, many peoples who for the past three million years have lived as all other beings on Earth have lived, in the hands of the gods.

The Takers are the single culture which for the past ten thousand years have chosen instead to take the administration of their own lives, the administration of the Earth, and the administration of the entire Universe, if possible, out of the hands of the gods, and decide for themselves what is good and what is evil, what shall live, and what shall die.

The Takers invented civilization, which is today in the final stage of collapse because the Takers have long since forgotten the Law of Life, and no longer know how to live. The Taker way of life is a made-up way of life, an entirely fabricated Taker invention, in substitution for the Law of Life which they have discarded, and taken upon themselves to "rewrite." Taker "law" (so called) is a jerry-rigged hodge-podge, frantically cobbled together, year after year, millennium after millennium, in a vain and futile attempt to replace the only real Law there ever was: the Law of Life. If the Takers persist in taking the Law of Life into their own hands, they shall assuredly "go down with the ship," and if anyone survives the collapse of civilization, it will be the Leavers, and beings who, like the Leavers, live in the hands of the gods, and in harmony with the Law of Life.


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I think it's the ideology and knowing where your heart lies. You can be in this world, but not of it....
 Quoting: Full Circle


Thanks again FC. I hope it is enough. hf
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I always felt like the brothers were comets or something.
 Quoting: Riker


I had thought maybe they were the pole stars 1dunno1
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter





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