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Anonymous Coward User ID: 897012 United States 02/21/2010 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I saw this on CNN, the reporter said that america wouldn't want to join in a war with IRAN and the author of this said that it could change overnight. Then he continued that remember the vote of 2000 had divided the country. Within 9 months of Bush being sworn in 911 changed everyone's mind. I believe that this entire episode is telling you that another false flag is in the works to change our perception and WAR against IRAN for the objective they want. YOU ARE BEING BOILED. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 897012 United States 02/21/2010 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CNN is talking about another false flag coming. Cheney says yes and our current VP says no. If anything else goes on remember it is being discussed for a reason. You are being prepared and you can believe that any additional try will fail as quickly as all the last. Georgia, India, Gaza each one of those was to start a war that just didn't happen because everyone saw thru it. DON'T BE BLIND, KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN because it does appear they are going to try again. IT is needed for AMERICA to go to war with IRAN, per Israel wargames. |
D. Bunker 02/21/2010 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very straight forward. Key quote, The lesson is "once you start this, it's really hard to stop it," said Kenneth Pollack, a former White House and CIA official who oversaw the simulation. :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
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lime flavoured User ID: 897195 United States 02/21/2010 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Key quote, The lesson is "once you start this, it's really hard to stop it," Quoting: D. BunkerWell yeah, I'd say that's obvious. I would also say that it doesn't mean that nothing will happen. It also assumes that Israel wouldn't tell the US they were going to attack. Also, as someone studying Games Design I would love to know how they simulated this |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 803157 United States 02/21/2010 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uh, stupid military and politicians, attend to this FACT: Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. You stupid WANKS... If you attack Iran, both Russia and China are treaty-bound to attack the United States and Israel. STUPID FUCKERS!!!! Don't attack Iran, you idiot wankers!!! This is nothing new. You've known this for YEARS!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 803157 United States 02/21/2010 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uh, stupid military and politicians, attend to this FACT: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803157Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. You stupid WANKS... If you attack Iran, both Russia and China are treaty-bound to attack the United States and Israel. STUPID FUCKERS!!!! Don't attack Iran, you idiot wankers!!! This is nothing new. You've known this for YEARS!!! Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them |
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D. Bunker 02/21/2010 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: lime flavouredAlso, as someone studying Games Design I would love to know how they simulated this [link to www.au.af.mil] :savetata: Favorite Quote - "I just fucking love outer space, it has all those planets and stars and shit." - Mister Obvious 2009 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 803157 United States 02/21/2010 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. Quoting: lime flavouredLink? Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them |
lime flavoured User ID: 897195 United States 02/21/2010 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: D. BunkerAlso, as someone studying Games Design I would love to know how they simulated this [link to www.au.af.mil] Thanks :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 681169 United States 02/21/2010 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've decided we need this war. I mean we REALLY, REALLY need this war. Let WWIII happen, the battleground will be the middle east. Wipe it ALL out, then the rest of the world can go on with our lives. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780042Let's just get it over and done with. You've decided that? Wow. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 897212 United States 02/21/2010 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sigh, how can these people be so wrong. Take it from someone who has been in that area, this is not how it's going to go down. Israel does not have the capability to damage all of Iran's sites unless they use tactical nukes. If Israel initiates action, then we (USA) will do the mop up with the B2&MOP. The US know it, Israel knows it, and we are doing our damndest to makes sure Ali Khamenei knows it. If Iran continues down this path, Israel will not strike until we are ready with these assets. In addition, Iran will not mine the strait. It will hurt them and OPEC and they can not lose support. Also they do not have the capability to mine with without us(USA) knowing it and stopping it. |
SnakeAirlines User ID: 653593 United States 02/21/2010 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803157If you attack Iran, both Russia and China are treaty-bound to attack the United States and Israel. Link? You know the rest... "Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail" deanoZXT-07/20/2014 07:48 PM |
lime flavoured User ID: 897195 United States 02/21/2010 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803157Link? Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them Yeah, a GLP post that also has no link |
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SnakeAirlines User ID: 653593 United States 02/21/2010 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran has a mutual defense treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA. Quoting: lime flavouredLink? Thread: Iran, Russia, and China have a mutual-defense treaty: An attack on one is an attack on all of them Yeah, a GLP post that also has no link What... That's not good enough for you? "Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail" deanoZXT-07/20/2014 07:48 PM |
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Eagle # 1 User ID: 869087 United States 02/21/2010 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Coward 780042 ... Yeh, " we really NEED this war " ! Until you have been IN ONE, seen friends killed/maimed you have NO IDEA what you 'wish for'. Besides, the western world WOULD be cut off from OIL, maybe up to a year. An industrialized country RUNS on oil and oil based plastics, numb nuts ! And, IF we are nuked, what would you have say to survivors IF you survived even a week ? I'm sure you think it will be like WWII, and ALL of it over there. Well, the Muslims in this country could QUICKLY change your mind, IF you have one ! Eagle |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 897042 United States 02/21/2010 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've decided we need this war. I mean we REALLY, REALLY need this war. Let WWIII happen, the battleground will be the middle east. Wipe it ALL out, then the rest of the world can go on with our lives. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780042Let's just get it over and done with. You can't be serious.Fucking idiot strikes again. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 897012 United States 02/21/2010 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sigh, how can these people be so wrong. Take it from someone who has been in that area, this is not how it's going to go down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 897212Israel does not have the capability to damage all of Iran's sites unless they use tactical nukes. If Israel initiates action, then we (USA) will do the mop up with the B2&MOP. The US know it, Israel knows it, and we are doing our damndest to makes sure Ali Khamenei knows it. If Iran continues down this path, Israel will not strike until we are ready with these assets. In addition, Iran will not mine the strait. It will hurt them and OPEC and they can not lose support. Also they do not have the capability to mine with without us(USA) knowing it and stopping it. Exactly, and they know that the public will not support that and it would start something here. But as the operator of the wargames said, remember bush's election divided the country and 911 brought it together. READ BETWEEN THE LINES, then you have Cheney saying another false flag is on the way. If you can't see the manipulation then it really is hopeless. THEY need another 011 for the US to unite against IRAN and it's not going to happen this time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 794008 Canada 02/21/2010 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Instead of firing missiles or dropping bombs on them. let's drop magic mushrooms and flowers from airplanes, they will think they are from God and then we all go to their country and give them a big hug and kiss. Shine your light on the enemy and it will transform 2013 The Golden Age is here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 648659 Netherlands 02/21/2010 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By WARREN P. STROBEL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 866740McClatchy Newspapers More News * War game shows how attacking Iran could backfire * Powell backs Obama on national security record * Pa. governor wants White House to revamp strategy * Bayh: economic crisis might spark cooperation * Petraeus: Troops may not care if gay ban repealed * Petraeus: Marjah first salvo in long campaign * Air Force will reopen tanker-contract bidding soon * Obamas to host governors at White House ball * Lawmakers to press military on fate of gay ban * New Consumer Product Safety Commission chief charges ahead with ambitious agenda * Asia-produced ozone making its way to U.S., study finds * Senate custom of holds' puts brakes on bills, appointments * GOP seeks to win with anti-Pelosi strategy * Crackdown on credit card provisions begins Monday * Fish and Wildlife chief dies after skiing * Michelle Obama thinks doubts about her have eased * Ron Paul wins conservative straw poll * Construction ahead: Trees hauled from White House * Obama lauds Alexander Haig as a `great American' * Hillary Clinton praises Haig for his contributions Here's a war game involving Iran, Israel and the U.S. that shows how unintended consequences can spin out of control: With diplomacy failing and precious intelligence just received about two new secret Iranian nuclear facilities, Israel launches a pre-emptive strike against Tehran's nuclear complex. The strike is successful, wiping out six of Iran's key sites and setting back its suspected quest for a bomb by years. But what happens next isn't pretty. The U.S. president and his National Security Council try to keep the crisis from escalating. That sours U.S.-Israeli relations, already stressed by the fact that Israel didn't inform Washington in advance of the strike. The White House tries to open a channel for talks with Iran, but is rejected. Instead, Iran attacks Israel, both directly and through its proxies in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. It misinterprets U.S. actions as weakness and mines the Straits of Hormuz, the world's chief oil artery. That sparks a clash and a massive U.S. military reinforcement in the Persian Gulf. This recent war game conducted at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, part of the Washington-based Brookings Institution, a center-left think tank, appears to dampen hopes for a simple solution to Iran's real-world nuclear challenge. The lesson is "once you start this, it's really hard to stop it," said Kenneth Pollack, a former White House and CIA official who oversaw the simulation. Pollack and others who participated in the day-long exercise late last year are quick to point out that war games are imperfect mirrors of reality. How Iran's notoriously opaque and fractious leadership would react in a real crisis is particularly hard to divine. But the outcome underscores what diplomats, military officers and analysts have long said: even a "successful" airstrike on Iran's nuclear facilities - setting the program back by two to four years - could come at a tremendous, unpredictable cost. "It's ... an option that has to be looked at very, very, very carefully," a senior European diplomat said Friday. "Because we know what the results could be, and they could be disastrous." He requested anonymity to speak more frankly on the sensitive issue. Tensions over Iran's nuclear program rose again this week after the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog reported the country could be secretly developing a nuclear warhead to be placed atop a ballistic missile. Additionally, Iran has begun enriching uranium closer to the purity level needed for use in a nuclear weapon. Israel, which sees Iran as a direct threat, has refused to rule out military force, although officials there say they are counting for now on diplomatic pressure. There have even been hints from Sunni Arab states, particularly Saudi Arabia, that they would look the other way in the event of a strike on Shiite Iran, a historic adversary. Yet one of the Brookings war game's major conclusions is that Israel could pay dearly for an attack on Iran. By the end of the simulation, eight days after the fictitious Israeli strike, Israel's prime minister, under heavy domestic pressure, is forced to launch a 48-hour air blitz in southern Lebanon to halt rocket attacks from Hezbollah, the militant group sponsored by Iran. Israeli officials know the blitz is unlikely to achieve its objectives, and prepare a larger, costlier operation in Lebanon, including ground forces. Israel's relations with the United States, its most important ally, are damaged. To avoid damaging them further, Israel bows to intense U.S. pressure and absorbs occasional missile strikes from Iran without retaliating. Read more: War game shows how attacking Iran could backfire - KansasCity.com they will begin the war .. because it will backfire.. that is what the tptb wants.. a total chaos, so they can come up with the solution, knowing that everyone will accept ther terms.. |
lime flavoured User ID: 897195 United States 02/21/2010 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 891215 Thanks for that link. Interesting reading. |