Adam and Eve not the first humans, And what really happened in the Garden of Eden

obviously since eve obeyed the serpent or was deceived, God was no longer her master, the serpent was because who you obey you serve, so her lord was then the serpent and she said I have "gotten" a man from the lord (master).


when cain went to the land of nod, was it called nod because they could not speak?
humans and apes (mingling seed) produced giants? hairy men?

Gen 4:1 KJV And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

If you look at it in the Hebrew you will find the letters Yod Hey Vau Hey (YHVH, or IHVH) are there with the KJV translators have translated as LORD.

(I would post the Hebrew here but GLP doesn't do the Hebrew font sets.)

This is the self-same YHVH that speaks to Noah:

Gen 6:8 KJV But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Gen 7:1 KJV And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

Again ' YHVH ' in the Hebrew there in Gen 6:8 and Gen 7:1. Hence the LORD of Eve is the same LORD of Noah. Further more this is the same LORD of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob/Israel.

In the New Testament it is claimed that Jesus worships the same God of Abraham, God of Issac, and God of Jacob, a.k.a this self-same LORD, ' YHVH '.

Gen 4:1 KJV And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The language is clear both in the Hebrew and the English that Cain was Adam's flesh and blood and not the serpents.

Adam knew Eve sexually, Eve conceives from this sex act and then later bares the result from this sex act, Cain. Eve's statement is in effect a recognition that all life comes from God, from the LORD, aka, from YHVH. In fact by having sexual intercourse with her husband Adam, Eve was fullfilling the command given to both of them by the LORD ( YHVH) to be fruitful and multiply.

By this point in time Adam and Eve were already in the slow process of dying.

The Serpent's Seed is shown being introduced in Genesis 6:1, in the 'human bloodline', a long time after the conception of Cain, the first son of Adam and Eve.

Gen 6:1 KJV And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

When did this happen? When daughters were born unto men. this too is long after Cain's conception.

That the events of Genesis 6 might be somewhat plausible grounds for 'racism' is possible, depending on how long that 'sons of god' and daughters of men offspring were able to live and if these offspring were also able to reproduce. But it remains to the end of Genesis 6 only a possility that such offspring could reproduce. Even then it would not be technically called 'race' but rather 'species' as if an AlienET/Human hybrid, half Human, half Klingon for instance.

That is if one accepts 'the sons of god' as 'fallen angels' and not for instance as some do, 'the sons of Cain'.

Either way, Cain was a son of Adam... unless you feel you must corrupt the Hebrew texts. In which case do us all a favor and preach Stichin instead of the Bible.

stitchin has not even been proved as credible!

Another misconception/misinterpretation of the Bible is that it teaches that the earth is only around 6,000 years old.

What it teaches is that ADAM WAS CREATED AROUND 6,000 YEARS AGO.

I started to read and then realised

I think this article comes with Hitler's stamp of approval.

sitchen is as right as any scientist was....right before they re wrote history.
The only ones who oppose him do so without offering an opinion of thier own.
The main dedate is this: mainstream historians accept the idea that everything about 'gods' 'creation of man by gods' anything flying, etc. as fiction....even though they accept the books right next to them as fact....furthermore NOTHING was listed as fact or fiction.
So, who is more the fool...the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

An uneducated person would think that too.


I think this article comes with Hitler's stamp of approval.

Firstly no where in the bible does it say anything about eating an apple. It does say they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You are preaching "the serpent seed" theology espoused by Arnold Murray.

In the final analysis why do you care about 'race' to begin with? It simply is of no concern except to those who do not want to be common ancestry with all.

Jesus saves all, He doesn't care about the color or gender of anyone as His father has told us that none are better than a pile of dirty rags. So He sent His son to save us through unmerited grace.

Leave this garbage to the Nazis.

Obviously he did care in the OT, which is why they were not to mingle with certain others! Race is ethnicity! And who said there was an apple anyway. Do you think she took a bite out of a literal TREE?

All of mankind separated from the time of Noah. Genetic traits were wide at that time.

It's funny how we just assume everyone is white unless told otherwise.

well an orange seed produces and orange, and an apple seed and apple so a white seed would produce white and a black, black but mix the white seed with the black seed and you get a brown seed or an arab? no offense anyone.

so you are an evolutionist? or no? how did a factor from the blood of an old world rhesus monkey get into human blood? ideas?

twinsister, cant you address the q?
I threw that 'fool' thing in as bait....dont take it, use your mind

so you are an evolutionist? or no? how did a factor from the blood of an old world rhesus monkey get into human blood? ideas?

Perhaps it was designed into man by an intelligent creator... perhaps the monkeys got it from the humans. Why assume otherwise? Perhaps it was designed into both the monkey and human. Sorta like how your go cart and Lexus both have seat belts steering wheels.

It's funny how we just assume everyone is white unless told otherwise.

well an orange seed produces and orange, and an apple seed and apple so a white seed would produce white and a black, black but mix the white seed with the black seed and you get a brown seed or an arab? no offense anyone.

And yet from the Wolf and the Fox come all 'races' of Dogs.

So from what we know of the description of the behemah is that they have hands, feet, wear sackcloth, live in tents, can be hired, and can cry mightly unto God. It is clearly a description of a humanoid people.

Firstly no where in the bible does it say anything about eating an apple. It does say they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You are preaching "the serpent seed" theology espoused by Arnold Murray.

In the final analysis why do you care about 'race' to begin with? It simply is of no concern except to those who do not want to be common ancestry with all.

Jesus saves all, He doesn't care about the color or gender of anyone as His father has told us that none are better than a pile of dirty rags. So He sent His son to save us through unmerited grace.

Leave this garbage to the Nazis.

Obviously he did care in the OT, which is why they were not to mingle with certain others! Race is ethnicity! And who said there was an apple anyway. Do you think she took a bite out of a literal TREE?

Where in is the Line of Shem commanded not to mingle with the Line of Ham or the Line of Japheth, or in all these combinations? Even Joseph, son of Israel, married an Egyptian. So much for the 'racial' or even tribal purity crap pre-Law of Moses. The Tribal purity thing is commanded only of the Children of Israel at Mt. Sinai and never before as a given Commandment. And evne then there is no command that Judah should have offspring with only Judah, and Dan only with Dan, etc. And Ruth was what? Which Tribe of Israel was Ruth of, ancestor to King David?

The commandment for Tribal Purity was given just like all the other commandment to show through practical example by the conduction of Israel just how mankind cannot every keep even one single commandment, they collectively broke every single one of them, just as Adam and Eve had broken the only commandment they had been given.

The lesson is that mankind cannot keep any moral or even ritual law perfectly without ever breaking one at least once in their life.

Man in effect makes a study of lawlessness the ultimate Rebell. Perhaps this will some day be fully revealed and understood by all people that the Man of Sin (all mankind) is really the Son of Lawlessness.

Firstly no where in the bible does it say anything about eating an apple. It does say they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You are preaching "the serpent seed" theology espoused by Arnold Murray.

In the final analysis why do you care about 'race' to begin with? It simply is of no concern except to those who do not want to be common ancestry with all.

Jesus saves all, He doesn't care about the color or gender of anyone as His father has told us that none are better than a pile of dirty rags. So He sent His son to save us through unmerited grace.

Leave this garbage to the Nazis.

Obviously he did care in the OT, which is why they were not to mingle with certain others! Race is ethnicity! And who said there was an apple anyway. Do you think she took a bite out of a literal TREE?

Where in is the Line of Shem commanded not to mingle with the Line of Ham or the Line of Japheth, or in all these combinations? Even Joseph, son of Israel, married an Egyptian. So much for the 'racial' or even tribal purity crap pre-Law of Moses. The Tribal purity thing is commanded only of the Children of Israel at Mt. Sinai and never before as a given Commandment. And evne then there is no command that Judah should have offspring with only Judah, and Dan only with Dan, etc. And Ruth was what? Which Tribe of Israel was Ruth of, ancestor to King David?

The commandment for Tribal Purity was given just like all the other commandment to show through practical example by the conduction of Israel just how mankind cannot every keep even one single commandment, they collectively broke every single one of them, just as Adam and Eve had broken the only commandment they had been given.

The lesson is that mankind cannot keep any moral or even ritual law perfectly without ever breaking one at least once in their life.

Man in effect makes a study of lawlessness the ultimate Rebell. Perhaps this will some day be fully revealed and understood by all people that the Man of Sin (all mankind) is really the Son of Lawlessness.

maybe you should look into genetics and see why possibly they were told not to mingle with "certain" tribes.
Take sickle cell disease for instance, this is genetically for the protection for Africans from malaria, they also worshipped many gods, were head shrinkers, cannibals, along with many other tribal peoples. Now if a causcasian and an african tested positive for sickle cell produce children that child can inherit sickle cell disease. It is possible that is why they were not to eat pork, it is possible that living conditions were diseased from famines etc. Each ethnic group has genetics for various diseases.

stitchin has not even been proved as credible!

Where in is the Line of Shem commanded not to mingle with the Line of Ham or the Line of Japheth, or in all these combinations? Even Joseph, son of Israel, married an Egyptian. So much for the 'racial' or even tribal purity crap pre-Law of Moses. The Tribal purity thing is commanded only of the Children of Israel at Mt. Sinai and never before as a given Commandment. And evne then there is no command that Judah should have offspring with only Judah, and Dan only with Dan, etc. And Ruth was what? Which Tribe of Israel was Ruth of, ancestor to King David?

The commandment for Tribal Purity was given just like all the other commandment to show through practical example by the conduction of Israel just how mankind cannot every keep even one single commandment, they collectively broke every single one of them, just as Adam and Eve had broken the only commandment they had been given.

The lesson is that mankind cannot keep any moral or even ritual law perfectly without ever breaking one at least once in their life.

Man in effect makes a study of lawlessness the ultimate Rebell. Perhaps this will some day be fully revealed and understood by all people that the Man of Sin (all mankind) is really the Son of Lawlessness.

you just quoted from the bible regarding Adam, now show me where cain is listed as a son of adam in the lineage of adam that is listed in the bible.

Biologically and scientifically speaking, how is it possible for the pure-blooded black, asian, and white races to have descended from Adam and Eve, Noah and his wife, or any other common ancestor? Could Adam and Eve reproduce and have black, white, and asian children? Of course not. That's biologically impossible.

Shem, Japheth, and Ham were all pure descendants of Adam. Apparently demographics were changing as God decided to set away a tribe of pure-Adamic descendants and gave them Laws to stay not mingle with others.

Yes, Israel didn't follow the Laws very well and God punished them for it. When Israel dwelled in Shittim, they mixed with Moabites and a plague hit and killed 24,000 for the transgression.

When Judah went into Babylonian captivity, they took strange wives. When they returned to the land they were forced to send their strange wives and children away.

you just quoted from the bible regarding Adam, now show me where cain is listed as a son of adam in the lineage of adam that is listed in the bible.

Gen 4:1 KJV And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

How more directly can it be put?

I fucked my wife, she conceived, and then bore a son in due time. Very simple stuff here.

That is unless you are thinking that Cain was really fathered by the LORD, i.e., YHVH, aka, the God of Noah, Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and the God of Moses, in which case Cain would be a begotten son of God, begotten of a human woman.

And speaking of that list of lineage you cite.

Gen 5:1-4 KJV This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; (2) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. (3) And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: (4) And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

So, where are the names of these other sons and daughters of Adam? Opps they are not given, but Cain is one of those others.

According to modern scientific accepted hypothesis adaptation and natural selection could certainly cause decendents of any human couple to aquire over time any humnan traits derpending on where they lived and what their bodies needed to do to adapt. This also enforces the concept that our DNA contains the blueprints for all possible evolutions perhaps even all life on Earth itself. God is truly amazing, what a grand design.

Could Adam and Eve reproduce and have black, white, and asian children? Of course, after many subsequent generations. One can't help but wonder as to the timeframe involved. Biologically however, it's entirely possible.


I will read some more. I just had to get that out of the way. Can't begin with a faulty premis.

Shem, Japheth, and Ham were all pure descendants of Adam. Apparently demographics were changing as God decided to set away a tribe of pure-Adamic descendants and gave them Laws to stay not mingle with others.

Yes, Israel didn't follow the Laws very well and God punished them for it. When Israel dwelled in Shittim, they mixed with Moabites and a plague hit and killed 24,000 for the transgression.

When Judah went into Babylonian captivity, they took strange wives. When they returned to the land they were forced to send their strange wives and children away.

Somehow the 23 chromosomes of the women keep getting left out of all this.

Male line AND female line. It is well known that the mtDNA in humans comes down the female line.

We are told nothing at all about the lineage of Noah's wife, Japheth's wife, nore Shem's wife.

From the concept of the only begotten son of God coming by way of God's Holy Spirit and human Mary's egg line, it would seem very effectively that the Male human line is at least partly left out of the picture. But then 23 Chromosomes of Mary.

The simple truth of the matter is we have absolutely no DNA or mtDNA even of those among the Children of Isreal that waundered in the wilderness. Nor that of any of the Eight survivors of the Flood.

Without that, all remains shear speculation.