Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle? | |
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JimmyK User ID: 387015 United States 02/25/2010 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greetings; "Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. This is from Peter concerning Paul. It is pretty clear that Peter considered Paul and Apostle and his writings Scripture. Regards JimmyK |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 635106 United States 02/25/2010 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He sensationalized Christ's "miracles" and then bastardized Christ's teachings - especially where women were concerned. He was an ego-maniac, also. I often wonder if his death was REALLY the way it was written. |
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SoldierofYah (OP) User ID: 899317 United States 02/25/2010 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is from Peter concerning Paul. It is pretty clear that Peter considered Paul and Apostle and his writings Scripture. Quoting: JimmyK 387015Regards JimmyK There is actually compelling evidence that Paul actually wrote the books of 1 Peter and 2 Peter. As evidenced by much of the New Testament, there was actually a bitter feud between Saul/Paul and the REAL 12 Apostles. Last Edited by SoldierofYah on 02/25/2010 02:00 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 882450 United States 02/25/2010 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its funny how the false prophets and teachers or believers just love to rail against the written Word of God, the Bible. They try and try to discredit it but it's survived all of them for hundreds of years. The written Word is the written Word. You know right off who the false teachers are. You know them by their fruit and their fruit is rotten. You know them because they try to discredit what is WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. You know that these are the false ones who teach a gospel OTHER THAN what is WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. Beware of them. Trust the written Word of God, The Bible. Trust in Jesus Christ, who is the author of that Bible. God Bless!!! |
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SoldierofYah (OP) User ID: 899317 United States 02/25/2010 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its funny how the false prophets and teachers or believers just love to rail against the written Word of God, the Bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882450How do you decide what is the "Word Of God"? ie, how do you decide which books to include as "canon" Scripture, and part of the Bible? Those decisions were made by men -- such as at the council at Nicea...when pagan "convert" to Chritianity Constantine and founder of the Catholic Church and his cronies decided which books to include. For instance, Catholics include the Apocrypha and other books, while Protestant do not. Last Edited by SoldierofYah on 02/25/2010 05:00 PM |
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JimmyK User ID: 387015 United States 02/25/2010 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is from Peter concerning Paul. It is pretty clear that Peter considered Paul and Apostle and his writings Scripture. Quoting: SoldierofYahRegards JimmyK There is actually compelling evidence that Paul actually wrote the books of 1 Peter and 2 Peter. As evidenced by much of the New Testament, there was actually a bitter feud between Saul/Paul and the REAL 12 Apostles. Greetings, It is not possible for you to point to any "evidence" in "much of The New Testement" in that you reject MOST of it. Regards JimmyK |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 754098 United States 02/25/2010 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ie, how do you decide which books to include as "canon" Scripture, and part of the Bible? Quoting: SoldierofYahThose decisions were made by men -- such as at the council at Nicea...when pagan "convert" to Chritianity and founder of the Catholic Church and his cronies decided which books to include. Repeat lies till they become truth? You must be a muslim. |
ZTE User ID: 779511 United States 02/25/2010 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is actually compelling evidence that Paul actually wrote the books of 1 Peter and 2 Peter. Quoting: SoldierofYahAs evidenced by much of the New Testament, there was actually a bitter feud between Saul/Paul and the REAL 12 Apostles. Of course there was. Paul was a Benjamite, and the rest of them were Jews. They always had differences, but they still came together to worship God. Paul focused on spreading the message to the other 10 tribes of Israel, whereas the other apostles focused on the Jews. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 882450 United States 02/25/2010 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its funny how the false prophets and teachers or believers just love to rail against the written Word of God, the Bible. Quoting: SoldierofYahHow do you decide what is the "Word Of God"? ie, how do you decide which books to include as "canon" Scripture, and part of the Bible? Those decisions were made by men -- such as at the council at Nicea...when pagan "convert" to Chritianity and founder of the Catholic Church and his cronies decided which books to include. For instance, Catholics include the Apocrypha and other books, while Protestant do not. It comes down to 1 question and 1 question only. DO YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD? IF you do, then you know that Jesus Christ is supreme and He holds ALL POWER as The Father gave unto HIM ALL POWER, for Jesus Christ IS God and Creator. IF you believe this and it is clear from scripture that Jesus Christ is the one that established and created the Church, you know that Jesus Christ is the FINAL AUTHORITY behind the Church. Do you really think that the book, the Bible, came about because of what MAN made it to be? No, The Bible is what it is today because Christ in HIS SUPREME DOMINION AND POWER WILLED IT TO BE WHAT IT IS. If you think an all-power, all-knowing God cannot do this very simple and easy thing, I have to question your FAITH? Why is it do you think that Jesus Christ is not the one that willed the Bible to be as it is now? Why do you think it is a work of Man? Where have YOU placed your FAITH? |
SoldierofYah (OP) User ID: 899317 United States 02/25/2010 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course there was. Paul was a Benjamite, and the rest of them were Jews. Quoting: ZTENeither Yahshua/"Jesus" nor the genuine apostles were so-called "jews". They were ISRAELITES. The term "jew" is NOT synonymous with "Israelite" or "Judahite" The so-called "jews" are NOT Israelites. They are descendanst of the Khazars and Edomites. "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judahites, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan."—Revelation 2:9 |
ZTE User ID: 779511 United States 02/25/2010 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course there was. Paul was a Benjamite, and the rest of them were Jews. Quoting: SoldierofYahNeither Yahshua/"Jesus" nor the genuine apostles were so-called "jews". They were ISRAELITES. The term "jew" is NOT synonymous with "Israelite" or "Judahite" The so-called "jews" are NOT Israelites. They are descendanst of the Khazars and Edomites. "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judahites, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan."—Revelation 2:9 Maybe so, but the tribe of Judah did exist at the time, and thus I use the word Jew as the adjective of the tribe of Judah. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 703302 United States 02/25/2010 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | paul taught was given great grace to preach liberty and some were taking advantage their total freedom from the law as some jews were still adhering to their feasts etc mainly still somewhat following law to keep from being thrown out of the synagogues, that is why there were home churches, these were for the ones who stepped out of the law totally into the freedom that paul taught. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 882450 United States 02/25/2010 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was called by Jesus Christ as his testimoy specifically says so and it is included in the Word of God, The Bible. Even the original Apostles acknowledged and accepted Paul. I'd rather believe the original apostles than any of YOU people who were the authority, set up by Jesus Christ, for the Church. Who exactly are YOU people to question this? To question the authority set up by Jesus Christ, God and Creator? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 703302 United States 02/25/2010 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 890566How could he even be an "apostle" when he was not one of the original 12, or the replacement for Judas? He did not replace Judas. Matthias did. Was Paul a false apostle. Evidently Christ didn't think so. Paul was pressed to be separated from the others because they just didn't get it!!! The pull of the bonds serving religion were too hard for them to break away totally! |
ZTE User ID: 779511 United States 02/25/2010 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was called by Jesus Christ as his testimoy specifically says so and it is included in the Word of God, The Bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882450Even the original Apostles acknowledged and accepted Paul. I'd rather believe the original apostles than any of YOU people who were the authority, set up by Jesus Christ, for the Church. Who exactly are YOU people to question this? To question the authority set up by Jesus Christ, God and Creator? There's nothing wrong with questioning doctrine. Because if I can't defend what I believe, then why should I believe it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 882450 United States 02/25/2010 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was called by Jesus Christ as his testimoy specifically says so and it is included in the Word of God, The Bible. Quoting: ZTEEven the original Apostles acknowledged and accepted Paul. I'd rather believe the original apostles than any of YOU people who were the authority, set up by Jesus Christ, for the Church. Who exactly are YOU people to question this? To question the authority set up by Jesus Christ, God and Creator? There's nothing wrong with questioning doctrine. Because if I can't defend what I believe, then why should I believe it? what a stupid and laughable statement. Yeah there is nothing wrong with questioning doctrine if you believe its "doctrine" and NOT the Word of God as a true believer believes. How can you question the fact that 1 + 1 = 2? How stupidly futile is that? That is the same futility in questioning the Word of God, The Bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 882664 United States 02/25/2010 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe so, but the tribe of Judah did exist at the time, and thus I use the word Jew as the adjective of the tribe of Judah. Quoting: ZTENot really accurate though. The word Jew is a corrupted word. The Greek word it is translated from, Ioudaios, means Judean. Paul was a Judean, the twelve apostles were all (except for Judas) from Galilee. The twelve apostles (except for Judas) were also from the tribe of Benjamin. |
SoldierofYah (OP) User ID: 899317 United States 02/25/2010 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe so, but the tribe of Judah did exist at the time, and thus I use the word Jew as the adjective of the tribe of Judah. Quoting: ZTEYes, a remnant of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah were in Palestine/Judea at the time of Yahshua/"Jesus". But there were also many NON-Israelites living among the Israelites in Judea at that time -- including the descendants of Esau (called Edomites), who had mixed with Canaanites and some Israelites. The modern-day "jews" are descended from these Edomites. And Saul/Paul was one of these Edomites. He may have had some Benjamite blood, but he was mongrelized and not a pure-blooded Israelite. Therefore, as a bastard/mongrel, he is not a true Israelite. Do you recall how strongly Yahshua/"Jesus" condemned the Jewish Pharisees? Yahshua speaking to the Jewish Pharisees: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." (John 8:44) "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 703302 United States 02/25/2010 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was called by Jesus Christ as his testimoy specifically says so and it is included in the Word of God, The Bible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 882450Even the original Apostles acknowledged and accepted Paul. I'd rather believe the original apostles than any of YOU people who were the authority, set up by Jesus Christ, for the Church. Who exactly are YOU people to question this? To question the authority set up by Jesus Christ, God and Creator? lol, you are funny, how do you think people come to belief? by questioning God and Jesus Christ you come to the knowledge of him and God wants you to know his Son! period! |